What NHL teams do need full rebuild right now?

[ponder719]

The Flyers have never actually committed to rebuilding, only to claiming they were doing so, and I don't think we leave the morass of mediocrity unless we actually go through with it, so I'd advocate for stripping the team down to Michkov and not much else, in the hopes of building a proper Cup contender.

That said, they absolutely won't, I'd be shocked if they even have the courage to trade both Risto and Laughton this year, let along make real structural changes.

 

[Svechhammer]

Pittsburgh
Nashville
Boston
Islanders

Washington feels like they are in that one last hurrah season that Pittsburgh had a couple years ago, and will need a blow-up soon.

Those are the ones that I can think of for now. I am sure there are others.

 

[StreetHawk]

I think if a club is lucky enough for struggling teams to trade them their star players (Vegas getting Stone and Eichel; Florida getting Reinhardt and Tkatchuk) and make really good UFA signings they can retool around existing core pieces.

You need a good enough base (age wise) to go through a retool. Plus, like boston, your pick hits like MacAvoy.
I mean, if you have top talent like a Barkov and a good talent in Ekblad, you have key pieces to rebuild.

I mean, 2018, 4 top 10 picks in KK, Zadina, Boqvist, Kravstov are no longer with their original team from the top 10. 2019, half the top 10 in Kakko, Dach, Byram, Broberg, Podkozlin are no longer with their club. So, a rebuild may sound good on paper, there is really only so much top talent that does make and hit their ceiling via the draft.

 

[ValeriKamensky]

Well if someone still thinks “full” rebuild means fire sale everyone for picks, right answer - no one needs.

 

[SheldonJPlankton]

What's the purpose of the rebuild?

Is it to make a playoff team?

Is it to make a SC contender?

Lots of teams would need a full rebuild to become a SC contender. Many teams could settle like the Leafs into becoming a playoff team with zero real chance at winning anything.

 

[ColbyChaos]

It has nothing to do with morale.

You're clearly watching Colby getting his ass kicked instead of the Rangers because you no idea what you're talking about.

The only ass kicking I’ve seen is your team drop 12 of their last 14 teams and the entire team give up in revolt due to a shitty gm and a shitty coach. You got shut out by the predators and outplayed by an equally bad Chicago team.

But sure things really have been great with Trouba ans Goodrow being sent away in exile quite the turnaround to go from a presidents trophy winner to a team looking to implode completely

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Possibly. They’re no longer a young team, with Slavin being the first core player to turn the age 30 corner this year. Staal, Burns are going to be out soon and they’re not easy to replace. Aho and Necas are right at their peak ages at 27 and 26. Svechnikov was supposed to be a major young cornerstone but he isn’t looking like that guy. Jarvis and Nikishin are the cavalry but I’m not sure you build a team around those guys once the others hit the wrong side of 30.

In theory, the Dundon/Tulsky philosophy is supposed to stack draft picks and churn talent so a true rebuild isn’t necessary. We’ll see if they can pull it off in reality.

The franchise players, Aho and Slavin, it’s hard to imagine them playing in another uniform unless they get into a Cup-chasing scenario at the end. But those guys are already too old to still carry the team after several years of rebuilding, so it’ll be interesting to see how it plays out with them if things go bad.

Nikishin and Morrow are Carolina's big shots at expanding the defensive window even as Slavin potentially needs to be slotted down a pair in 3-4 seasons or so. Current core guys entering their 30s isn't that scary IF there's a thriving talent pool underneath. The Canes, more than any other contending team, has put untold amounts of scouting and drafting to make youthful talent infusions happen on the roster. Only time will tell if it is successful, of course.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Nikishin and Morrow are Carolina's big shots at expanding the defensive window even as Slavin potentially needs to be slotted down a pair in 3-4 seasons or so. Current core guys entering their 30s isn't that scary IF there's a thriving talent pool underneath. The Canes, more than any other contending team, has put untold amounts of scouting and drafting to make youthful talent infusions happen on the roster. Only time will tell if it is successful, of course.

Yep, that’s the long and short of it.

Summarizing a long post I made on the Canes board a couple of days ago: the approach from Carolina management makes perfect sense and on paper it’s a great plan. But, there are some elements outside their control that make or break the entire picture. They’ve taken so many shots in the draft, but it takes some luck to capture the talent they need, and for that talent to develop effectively.

One thing that may have undermined the process is their disastrous approach to AHL affiliations which had their prospects bouncing around different organizations. More recently they’ve gone heavy on Russians — smart to exploit a market inefficiency, but it also means their prospect development is in the hands of KHL orgs. For all they’ve invested in drafting, they’re leaving a lot to chance when it comes to development.

Time will tell if it plays out. Say the system is effective 90% of the time… we could be living in the 10% timeline. I hope not, but if we are we just have to live with it and react accordingly.

 

[Fantast100]

St. Louis Blues

 

[Volica]

Calgary needs to commit to getting like 1-2 legit top 5 prospects in a draft.
They have these excellent pieces they could surround great young talent with... but they don't have the game breakers.

Like if you threw Celebrini or Bedard onto Calgary, you'd have one of the better clubs in the Pacific. But we just can't commit to being bad for a while. It's totally against this club to do something like that.

 

[NVious]

Calgary
Pitt
Nashville
STL
Detroit
Isles

The idea that some of these teams are holding onto valuable pieces just to waste them is crazy, but c'est la vie. They'd rather sell the playoff copium (even though all of them combined have a 0% chance of winning the cup) than actually face reality that they are basically as far away from winning the cup as the rebuilding teams.

 

[PaulD]

People said this for years about Sid/Geno. All it takes is one competent GM and they'll win cups. Sadly for Oilers fans, ownership can only pick bums for GM

The Oilers were a joke until Holland took over. They went to game 7 of the Stanley Cup finals under his watch.
Had he did that in Toronto he would have a statue on Bay st already built. Books would be written about him. He would own the keys to the city.

Calgary
Pitt
Nashville
STL
Detroit
Isles

The idea that some of these teams are holding onto valuable pieces just to waste them is crazy, but c'est la vie. They'd rather sell the playoff copium (even though all of them combined have a 0% chance of winning the cup) than actually face reality that they are basically as far away from winning the cup as the rebuilding teams.

and several of the so called contenders.

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Buffalo. They haven't done one in ages.

 

[mondo3]

If the Jets could trade Scheifele, Connor, and Hellebuyck for 4 first round picks each, they would dominate in about 5 years.