Luigi Lemieux
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Going to sputter along for another couple years and it'll start in earnest after Crosby/Malkin/Letang retire. I thought the bottom was falling out this year but for some reason they started winning recently.
What NHL teams do need full rebuild right now?
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Luigi Lemieux
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Difference being Crosby/Malkin won their first cup at 21/22 so the pressure to win wasn't quite the same on them later on.
But yea the fact they have one finals appearance in ten years with those two is pretty sad. Their management bungles nearly every offseason. Even a decent team around them and they win a cup.
Even with a shit start, the Oilers are top 10 in the league for lowest goals against per game above teams like Carolina, Florida, Tampa, Boston, NYR, way better than Vancouver or Colorado.
It's the offense funny enough that's been lagging this year, only 15th best for goals for/game is mediocre for the Oilers, but they have started to pick that up in the last 10-12 games.
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A current GM (not a new hire) isn't going to suggest a massive tear down rebuild, like for NYI, NYR, Bos, Nash. Lou/Trotz (even if they were 15 years younger)/Sweeney/Drury would not last to the end of the rebuild. It's a 7/8 year process.
All of the bad teams currently have a different GM than the last time they made the PO.
Suntouchable13
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Islanders. 11-11-7 is amazingly mediocre. Is that how they want to try to sneak in to the playoffs? Using loser points to back into a spot? Just give up the ghost.
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I wouldn't say Preds...yet
Let's wait and see (if they ever fire this idiot of a coach) what a new coach can do first.
Let's wait and see (if they ever fire this idiot of a coach) what a new coach can do first.
Yep, even though they are doing alright currently. If the goal is to become a serious contender they will need a full rebuild.
KeithIsActuallyBad
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I understand why they didn't do it but the Flames should've gone into full rebuild mode when Johnny (RIP) and Tkachuk left.
I do think the team has done an admirable job selling pieces over the last few years but they still seem to be more committed to finishing in 9th place than a full blown tank.
I do think the team has done an admirable job selling pieces over the last few years but they still seem to be more committed to finishing in 9th place than a full blown tank.
Rebuilds are longer than most people think. How many of the top 3 picks in the past 8 years have been impactful?
Before embarking on it better make sure you have truly assessed your scouts and hockey development people have done over the past few years. If you are not producing players from rounds 1-3, what is going to change aside from the higher chance a top 5-7 plays but all of those good players you move today for a late first or multiple seconds can you actually do something with that? That’s can make or break your rebuild.
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tarheelhockey
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KeithIsActuallyBad
Fire Dustin Schwartz
If you guys don't win a championship in the next few years do you think you'll be staring down the barrel of one?
tarheelhockey
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Possibly. They’re no longer a young team, with Slavin being the first core player to turn the age 30 corner this year. Staal, Burns are going to be out soon and they’re not easy to replace. Aho and Necas are right at their peak ages at 27 and 26. Svechnikov was supposed to be a major young cornerstone but he isn’t looking like that guy. Jarvis and Nikishin are the cavalry but I’m not sure you build a team around those guys once the others hit the wrong side of 30.
In theory, the Dundon/Tulsky philosophy is supposed to stack draft picks and churn talent so a true rebuild isn’t necessary. We’ll see if they can pull it off in reality.
The franchise players, Aho and Slavin, it’s hard to imagine them playing in another uniform unless they get into a Cup-chasing scenario at the end. But those guys are already too old to still carry the team after several years of rebuilding, so it’ll be interesting to see how it plays out with them if things go bad.
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They do indeed take a long time, because if you're really going to strip it down, unless your prospect pool is already stronger than it would appear, you'll take about 5 years building up your prospect pool of 23 and unders, and another 3-5 to translate those young players into a winning core.
Machinehead
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Drury is doing much better. Which is not to say he's doing good, but Gorton was complete horseshit. Absolutely horrible drafter and he saddled the team with Trouba's contract. Andersson and Kravtsov were all-time misses. David Quinn was a dreadful hire. A real rebuild never happened.
They basically wasted four years before Drury started some semblance of a retool with his mid-to-late first round picks.
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Some teams can never really dig themselves out of a rebuild, as much as HF loves a good rebuild, exiting a rebuild is the hard part. It's going to be even more difficult exiting a rebuild now that the cap isn't stagnant anymore, more teams will be able to retain their players so there should be less cap casualties.
You need some lotto luck too.
You need some lotto luck too.
They do need a goalie. A reliable, above average goaltender. They aren't winning a Cup with Skinner. I've been saying it for years, and every year Skinner proves me right
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It depends what level of rebuild you mean as I think there are different levels of rebuilding. Not every rebuild needs to be a level the building and salt the earth type
KirkAlbuquerque
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I think it tells you more about fans and their idea of what needs to be done to build a successful team if you think 16 teams need to tear it all down.
