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What is the Oiler Achille’s Heel to a Championship
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brentashton
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tardigrade81
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Defense and goaltending
If Campbell can play consistently like he did last game we would be unreal
If Campbell can play consistently like he did last game we would be unreal
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rboomercat90
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Lack of balls. No real leadership on this team , they fold faster than cheap lawn chair after they get scored on.
Great replies already.
To me, you can’t separate some of the discussion from coaches. For instance, could our defense be better if Woodie and Manson were able to coach more effectively? It is their responsibility to get the best out of their players. How can we say that when Bouchard, a dman, cannot even play defense properly unless Uncle Ekholm is there to help him? Yet he wants top dollar on a contract. Eff off already. Show up capable of playing your position on your own merit, delivery the bomb repeatedly in the D zone not only to score goals, but as a weapon to punish opposing zone defenside setups. Maybe stop making incredibly bad drop passes to McDavid as he begins a rush on the PP.
So, the Oscar List for Oilers Achilles heels comes from….
1) coaching that does not display the level of fluidity needed to adapt to games. The Vegas series was testament to that. For a Nobel-level lesson on that, look no further than Craig Mactavish whe we went to the final. Those 7 games went from end of the spectrum to the other, but you had confidence in what MacT would do when we lost a game. Woody is too cocky for his own good.
Mason also does not appear to show any ownership of the tire fire that is our defensive play. How hard is it to defend a line? Two years ago, Mackinnon on an end to end rush and splits two defenceman. Here is an idea….get right in his way and lay him the hell out. Now, we know Vegas has the size to do that. Colorado to some extent. Can Vinny D do it? I don’t think as well as Nemo could (cue Nemo laying out Dustin Brown in the LA series two seasons ago). Anyone old enough to remember hitting season in the playoffs when Beukeboom would lay people out in our end of the ice. Not done too often, but Nemo (check his stats) seems to have the ability to do it cleanly (cue comparison between penalty minutes taken between Nemo and VinD at the beginning of last season). Yet, Woody, Stauffer, (insert most Edmonton Oiler media personalities) don’t seem to give him the time of the day. Many will say VinD is a better player. Really? Two goals in the playoffs that were direct results of him screwing up? Penalties from over aggressive stick work?
You would figure that Mason would remember who he was when he played and instill the same level of intensity, yet he doesn’t appear to. Why?
2) Goal coach. Sorry, this just has to be mentioned. Many sound clips of Campbell saying that he worked with a few people outside of the team. So far, looks promising. But really analyze Schwartz in comparison to Sean Burke. Was it not Marchessault or was it Stone who kept talking about Burke was telling them where to shoot on Skinner. Was it not Burke who had a hand in coaching all 4-5 goalies that Vegas went through? Was it not Burke who helped to revive Dubnyk (albeit with a pep talk)? Florida Panther’s goal coach….from Edmonton and played in the NHL. Why are we stuck with the only goaltending savant who has never played an NHL game? YMMV on this one.
3) Defense. Partly mentioned above, but going to go so far as to say that you cannot win a cup in Edmonton until either Darnell Nurse is traded (to allow for more quality options) or Bouchard is traded (not worth anymore than what he is getting unless he goes full 2022 Erik Karlsson and 3 points for every eff up he makes. Others like Ceci are just not able to keep up with the pace of the game. It’s sad that we are as capped out as we are with so many positions to rehabilitate after all these years.
4) Last point is not a position. It is an attitude. Good teams do not like to lose at all. Look at Colorado. Look at Vegas this year. Until every player is willing to adopt that mindset and then parlay it to the ice surface, they just can’t compete. Sure, maybe conference finals. But Edmonton does not have a winning “killer’s“ attitude. Go for the jugular each and every night. Don’t get complacent, go to the hard spots FIRST (talking to you Ryan McLeod), sacrifice to make a play. Sometimes I wonder if it is more that the coach at times relying on the nuclear option…some of the players I think don’t put enough emphasis on making sure that they add quality and value to the team as well.
Sorry for the rant.
To me, you can’t separate some of the discussion from coaches. For instance, could our defense be better if Woodie and Manson were able to coach more effectively? It is their responsibility to get the best out of their players. How can we say that when Bouchard, a dman, cannot even play defense properly unless Uncle Ekholm is there to help him? Yet he wants top dollar on a contract. Eff off already. Show up capable of playing your position on your own merit, delivery the bomb repeatedly in the D zone not only to score goals, but as a weapon to punish opposing zone defenside setups. Maybe stop making incredibly bad drop passes to McDavid as he begins a rush on the PP.
So, the Oscar List for Oilers Achilles heels comes from….
1) coaching that does not display the level of fluidity needed to adapt to games. The Vegas series was testament to that. For a Nobel-level lesson on that, look no further than Craig Mactavish whe we went to the final. Those 7 games went from end of the spectrum to the other, but you had confidence in what MacT would do when we lost a game. Woody is too cocky for his own good.
Mason also does not appear to show any ownership of the tire fire that is our defensive play. How hard is it to defend a line? Two years ago, Mackinnon on an end to end rush and splits two defenceman. Here is an idea….get right in his way and lay him the hell out. Now, we know Vegas has the size to do that. Colorado to some extent. Can Vinny D do it? I don’t think as well as Nemo could (cue Nemo laying out Dustin Brown in the LA series two seasons ago). Anyone old enough to remember hitting season in the playoffs when Beukeboom would lay people out in our end of the ice. Not done too often, but Nemo (check his stats) seems to have the ability to do it cleanly (cue comparison between penalty minutes taken between Nemo and VinD at the beginning of last season). Yet, Woody, Stauffer, (insert most Edmonton Oiler media personalities) don’t seem to give him the time of the day. Many will say VinD is a better player. Really? Two goals in the playoffs that were direct results of him screwing up? Penalties from over aggressive stick work?
You would figure that Mason would remember who he was when he played and instill the same level of intensity, yet he doesn’t appear to. Why?
2) Goal coach. Sorry, this just has to be mentioned. Many sound clips of Campbell saying that he worked with a few people outside of the team. So far, looks promising. But really analyze Schwartz in comparison to Sean Burke. Was it not Marchessault or was it Stone who kept talking about Burke was telling them where to shoot on Skinner. Was it not Burke who had a hand in coaching all 4-5 goalies that Vegas went through? Was it not Burke who helped to revive Dubnyk (albeit with a pep talk)? Florida Panther’s goal coach….from Edmonton and played in the NHL. Why are we stuck with the only goaltending savant who has never played an NHL game? YMMV on this one.
3) Defense. Partly mentioned above, but going to go so far as to say that you cannot win a cup in Edmonton until either Darnell Nurse is traded (to allow for more quality options) or Bouchard is traded (not worth anymore than what he is getting unless he goes full 2022 Erik Karlsson and 3 points for every eff up he makes. Others like Ceci are just not able to keep up with the pace of the game. It’s sad that we are as capped out as we are with so many positions to rehabilitate after all these years.
4) Last point is not a position. It is an attitude. Good teams do not like to lose at all. Look at Colorado. Look at Vegas this year. Until every player is willing to adopt that mindset and then parlay it to the ice surface, they just can’t compete. Sure, maybe conference finals. But Edmonton does not have a winning “killer’s“ attitude. Go for the jugular each and every night. Don’t get complacent, go to the hard spots FIRST (talking to you Ryan McLeod), sacrifice to make a play. Sometimes I wonder if it is more that the coach at times relying on the nuclear option…some of the players I think don’t put enough emphasis on making sure that they add quality and value to the team as well.
Sorry for the rant.
McShogun99
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The list just got longer. The Tinman needs a heart. Alice needs a new drug dealer and we need a new mascot, not the stupid lion.
Flyers Lion beat the shit out of our Lion in the back corridor anyway.
Flyers Lion beat the shit out of our Lion in the back corridor anyway.
KeithIsActuallyBad
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If we get another D as impactful as Ekholm to be on Nurse's right side I think 85% of what is wrong with this team will have been successfully addressed.
After that it's more fine-tuning & small upgrade, possibly a big upgrade on G if they aren't working out on the season, but I do think with another Ekholm level addition on D we can probably win even with below average goaltending, it's only downright terrible goaltending that would submarine us (or an injury to a core player, which hopefully doesn't happen *knock on wood*).
After that it's more fine-tuning & small upgrade, possibly a big upgrade on G if they aren't working out on the season, but I do think with another Ekholm level addition on D we can probably win even with below average goaltending, it's only downright terrible goaltending that would submarine us (or an injury to a core player, which hopefully doesn't happen *knock on wood*).
BardownMagic
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Woodcroft thinks his shit dont stink; he got caught up in his own hype after that regular aeason run and over complicated the system. Dustin shwartz knows nothing about teaching goalie. We have a defence by committee and ekholm is hurt. The boys need 20 games before you can judge. American thanksgiving is the point we see what this team is.
brentashton
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I think we’ve seen what this team is including the coach, since the playoffs last year. No more time spent analyzing, make the adjustments now and get to work.
KeithIsActuallyBad
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barry halls
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Jackson is going to be ruthless if this team continues to struggle. He was recruited by Katz with a specific mandate to convince Leon and Connor to re-sign. Just relax and enjoy the ride, Woody will be gone if we’re under .500 after the first 10 games, book it.
brentashton
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So what the answer? You have a GM on his last legs, a new POHO analyzing and hopefully ready to pull a trigger, 2 world class players on their final years on a SCF window, a roster that still blows in key positions and a start of the season record against 3 truly bad teams that is hilarious. Maybe a tactician coach that understands the strengths and limitations of this roster can adapt and make something out of what is more than just nothing. Woodshaft is Tony Robbins in pinstripes. Lots of fancy thoughts and Jay-isms but little substance.
Look forward to your response and solution.
KeithIsActuallyBad
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If you fire the coach you’re relying on the GM that couldn’t get it right the first two times to get it right the third time.
The GM that has put almost the entire roster on the ice and has ensured that no improvements to the roster can be made.
brentashton
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The GM is GM in name only. JJ is pulling strings right now.
You never attempted to answer the question. Can’t even say “good try”. Your effort is Oileresque
KeithIsActuallyBad
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So who’s going to make a trade then? Who’s in charge of call ups?
You gave a non-answer. It was, as you say, Oileresque.
brentashton
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I was talking about a coaching change. You took it away from that. I posed the question to you and then asked why you didn’t answer. Why would I answer my own question? I asked for yours…
Time to ignore.
