What is Schaefer's value compared to Misa's value in term of draft capital

[dmcccdmn]

Unlike other draft years where you have Bedard, Celebrini, McKenna, there isn't a prospect this year that is head and shoulder above the 2nd best prospect, so a trade is more plausable. By all accounts, the Islanders need a forward more than anyone else. Just wondering what the fair value would be if you were to swap 1OA and 2OA? What would be the fair value that San Jose needs to give the Islanders if you're comparing the values of Schaefer and Misa, who are both studs in their own rights?

San Jose has the 2025 Dallas 1st round pick which is like 28th and their 2nd rounder which is 33rd pick. They also have Ottawa's 2nd round pick.

Is the 28th pick too much/little. Likewise, is the 33rd pick too much/too little?

Now, the Islanders might even have Misa at the top of their board so they might even be willing to take less than the fair value to swap Schaefer for Misa. But it would be good to know what that fair value is first. (This, of course, is entirely dependent on the Islanders wanting Misa. If they consider Schaefer as a generational talent, then the asking price would be skewed exponentially into un-tradable territory.)

From San Jose's perspective, if the difference in value between Schaefer and Misa is too high, they would be perfectly happy with Misa and use those 28th pick and 33rd pick to maybe trade up to 16th or 17th to get another quality prospect. There's also a real good chance Schaefer will be there at 2OA anyway.

 

[gary559]

I think NYI could use Misa more then Schaefer and vis versa for San Jose but both players are very good in their own right so nobody is really losing out here.

 

[RevengeOfTheDrai]

If that’s the case then NY should trade the first to the Shark for their second overall and Dallas pick.

 

[SEALBound]

Everyone says Shaeffer is the 1ov and for good reason. But if I had 1OV, I'm taking Misa.

 

[Canadienna]

If that’s the case then NY should trade the first to the sharks for their second overall and Dallas pick.

If NYI say to the sharks hey let's swap picks because we want Misa, why would SJ not just hold at 2 knowing they can then get Schaefer.

It's a bit of game theory. The only reason for SJ to swap is if they think their guy will be taken by NYI. In which case NYI would have no reason to trade.

 

[dmcccdmn]

If NYI say to the sharks hey let's swap picks because we want Misa, why would SJ not just hold at 2 knowing they can then get Schaefer.

It's a bit of game theory. The only reason for SJ to swap is if they think their guy will be taken by NYI. In which case NYI would have no reason to trade.

That is what it would appear to be the case with the 2 teams on where they stand. Islanders need Misa more than they need Schaefer. San Jose Sharks are so bad that they would be happy with either one.

But if Schaefer could be had, it's a responsible thing to consider all options and gauge giving up how much would make it worth while to explore.

 

[Draiskull]

is he related to Reid Schaefer?

 

[Breakers]

If NYI say to the sharks hey let's swap picks because we want Misa, why would SJ not just hold at 2 knowing they can then get Schaefer.

It's a bit of game theory. The only reason for SJ to swap is if they think their guy will be taken by NYI. In which case NYI would have no reason to trade.

NFL teams have fallen into that scenario

Trading up and spending a fortune to do so, even though they know the team 1 spot above them won’t take the guy they want.

 

[Canadienna]

NFL teams have fallen into that scenario

Trading up and spending a fortune to do so, even though they know the team 1 spot above them won’t take the guy they want.

That is what it would appear to be the case with the 2 teams on where they stand. Islanders need Misa more than they need Schaefer. San Jose Sharks are so bad that they would be happy with either one.

But if Schaefer could be had, it's a responsible thing to consider all options and gauge giving up how much would make it worth while to explore.

If we know (as you describe in the NFL scenario) that the #1 team won't take the guy you want, then it's just wasted assets. There's nothing to be gained and only potential losses. Knowing for sure is hard though. I don't know how much trust there is between GMs.

Let's say for arguments sake NYI wants Misa, and SJS wants Schaefer. Neither team knows their opponents pick. Maybe NYI could convince SJS that they want Schaefer, and try to swindle them - But then that deception would immediately come undone the moment SJS tells NYI that they would pick Schaefer, and NYI still wants to trade the pick.

 

[Llewzaher]

Consider the history they had with drafting Tavares .. would the Islanders want Hagens , who was considered a number 1 ..6 months ago , is from Long Island , an Islanders fan , and would likely stay there for his career ?

 

[dmcccdmn]

If we know (as you describe in the NFL scenario) that the #1 team won't take the guy you want, then it's just wasted assets. There's nothing to be gained and only potential losses. Knowing for sure is hard though. I don't know how much trust there is between GMs.

Let's say for arguments sake NYI wants Misa, and SJS wants Schaefer. Neither team knows their opponents pick. Maybe NYI could convince SJS that they want Schaefer, and try to swindle them - But then that deception would immediately come undone the moment SJS tells NYI that they would pick Schaefer, and NYI still wants to trade the pick.

The difference here is that it's not the end of the world for San Jose if they end up with Misa at 2OA. Those NFL teams that give up a fortune to trade up for a quarterback because it's make or break for them, but that's not the case here with Schaefer and Misa from San Jose Sharks' perspective. If Grier is smart, he should sit tight and still win with whichever player still available at 2OA. The good thing here is that Schaefer and Misa are a tier above Hagens/Martone/Frondell, so there's less of a risk Islanders would trade out of the top-2 picks because the player the Islanders want won't be there at 3OA. And no, they won't pick Hagens unlike what Islanders fans would want.

 

[benr]

We haven’t had a superstar Schaefer in the league since the (late) great Peter Schaefer, so I’m very excited to see how this kid develops

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[Mr Fahrenheit]

If NYI say to the sharks hey let's swap picks because we want Misa, why would SJ not just hold at 2 knowing they can then get Schaefer.

It's a bit of game theory. The only reason for SJ to swap is if they think their guy will be taken by NYI. In which case NYI would have no reason to trade.

No, the scenario would be that the Islanders don't want Schaefer at 1 and another team is trying to trade up to 1 to draft Schaefer, the Sharks would then beat the trade to block another team from drafting Schaefer in front of them

 

[Canadienna]

No, the scenario would be that the Islanders don't want Schaefer at 1 and another team is trying to trade up to 1 to draft Schaefer, the Sharks would then beat the trade to block another team from drafting Schaefer in front of them

Agreed, if NYI wants a player who's likely to go 3-5 it opens the possibilities up, but the premise of this thread was a swap for Misa.

NYI trading into 3-5 doesn't make sense if they want Misa, as he's likely gone by then. Ergo in the Misa scenario, SJS is likely their only pick swap partner.

 

[dmcccdmn]

Consider the history they had with drafting Tavares .. would the Islanders want Hagens , who was considered a number 1 ..6 months ago , is from Long Island , an Islanders fan , and would likely stay there for his career ?

I would rather the Islanders pick Misa than picking Hagens. I don't want Misa going to Chicago. Misa is scary good and him and Bedard together is not something I want to see.

 

[Isaac Nootin]

Schaefer is head and shoulders above anyone else in this draft (IMO of course).

Islanders aren't in the position to not take the clear BPA.

If you trade out of #1, you need to get a haul.

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

Every year we go through this, but the draft picks never move. Nobody is going to trade.
If you have 1st overall, you draft your guy. There's no guarantee that anyone will turn out better than the last, so don't jockey positions to try to make it work. The team picking at 2 or 3 may want someone different, and may end up getting their player without trading anyway.

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

Consider the history they had with drafting Tavares .. would the Islanders want Hagens , who was considered a number 1 ..6 months ago , is from Long Island , an Islanders fan , and would likely stay there for his career ?

We had nine years with Tavares. Nine years of Schaefer or Misa is fine. Just don't let him walk when he's a soon-to-be UFA in 2034...

 

[dmcccdmn]

Schaefer is head and shoulders above anyone else in this draft (IMO of course).

Islanders aren't in the position to not take the clear BPA.

If you trade out of #1, you need to get a haul.

Is Schaefer compared to the 2nd best player in his draft the same way Bedard, Celebrini and McKenna are to their peers though? Is he truly head and shoulder above Misa? Perhaps I need to rewatch Schaefer's tape, but from most prospects ranking lists, people have Schaefer and Misa listed as Tier 1 and then the rest into lower tiers.

Bleacher Report just released their Top 32 Big Board ranking yesterday and they even have Misa as #1 and Schaefer #2, which is interesting. First time I seen Misa at #1. Most list still have Schaefer as #1 though.

 

[ORRFForever]

Schaefer is head and shoulders above anyone else in this draft (IMO of course).

Islanders aren't in the position to not take the clear BPA.

If you trade out of #1, you need to get a haul.

I don't think Chicago needs any more D-Men (correct me if I am wrong) so not getting the 1OA is almost a blessing.

Who does every think would be best to play with Bedard? Assume Schaefer is gone...

* I would go with Misa but you may have to trade up 1 to get him. He would be a nice fit on Bedard's left wing.

* Martone is a BIG boy and would naturally fit on Bedard's right wing - and you do NOT have to move up to get him.

* I know nothing about Anton Frondell who is a center.

* Hagens is an American kid but also a small center - you don't need another one of those.

 

[Stephen]

NFL teams have fallen into that scenario

Trading up and spending a fortune to do so, even though they know the team 1 spot above them won’t take the guy they want.

There’s a glamour factor and pedigree for that freshly minted first overall pick though. Kind of an intangible soft power to making that pick and bringing that guy along to superstardom.

 

[wetcoast]

If that’s the case then NY should trade the first to the Shark for their second overall and Dallas pick.

That's an overpayment doubt San Jose even considers it and I prefer Schaefer clear at #1.

If the NYI draft for position then they will lose out on a franchise changing Dman.

Misa isn't as big a franchise changer for me.

 

[JadedRandom]

I don't think Chicago needs any more D-Men (correct me if I am wrong) so not getting the 1OA is almost a blessing.

Who does every think would be best to play with Bedard? Assume Schaefer is gone...

* I would go with Misa but you may have to trade up 1 to get him. He would be a nice fit on Bedard's left wing.

* Martone is a BIG boy and would naturally fit on Bedard's right wing - and you do NOT have to move up to get him.

* I know nothing about Anton Frondell who is a center.

* Hagens is an American kid but also a small center - you don't need another one of those.

I think Porter Martone would be the single-best option available for the Blackhawks as a forward that projects to have many elite or near-elite components to his offensive game in the pros.

Martone's one-touch plays and work in front of the net would definitely open space for Bedard, and that might just be what the doctor ordered for Chicago's offense.

And Martone'd help on puck retrievals too on the first line, though I don't expect Martone to ever be a primary puck-digger in the NHL as that isn't really his type of game.

The only thing that might give Chicago some pause in drafting Martone is that, so far, the Blackhawks have clearly been putting a big emphasis on speed for their forwards (Moore, Nazar, Mustard, Boisvert, Spellacy, Vanacker, etc.), and Porter Martone tracks to be basically nhl-average at that aspect of the game so that might mean that they would prefer a quicker player to play on Bedard's wing.

And a guy like Anton Frondell, who's a center that can also play wing, defensively responsible, fast, with a strong frame, some "+" skills to his game, good puck-protection abilities, and the single-best one-timer in the draft could also be a great option to slot alongside Bedard.

While Martone's skillset is higher-end offensively in my mind, Frondell has the chops of a top-6 winger or center and a much better defensive game currently than Martone, while having the type of speed and skating that the Hawks like in their prospects.

As for Schaefer/Misa, I wouldn't put much difference between the two, they both have elite potential at their respective positions.

A high second-round pick might just be enough for a team to go from 2 to 1 and get their pick of the two.

 

[wunderpanda]

Consider the history they had with drafting Tavares .. would the Islanders want Hagens , who was considered a number 1 ..6 months ago , is from Long Island , an Islanders fan , and would likely stay there for his career ?

probably not. its like drafting a guy that drinks water out of a dumpster, even if you own the dumpster, you wouldn't want a guy begging to drink it.

 

[ORRFForever]

Consider the history they had with drafting Tavares .. would the Islanders want Hagens , who was considered a number 1 ..6 months ago , is from Long Island , an Islanders fan , and would likely stay there for his career ?

I can't imagine them passing on Schaefer.