What is Schaefer's value compared to Misa's value in term of draft capital

[dmcccdmn]

In an unlikely scenario what the Islanders should try is get both San Jose and Chicago to offer them something so they get their guys. That way both teams don't have to pay full price to get the guy they want, they sort of split the costs

They might be able to do SJ and Utah if Utah is interested in Misa as well

You see something like this in the NBA where you can get 4, 5 or even 6 teams involved to make the trade balanced out and works for everyone. The NHL has no such thing previously, and teams are scared to do things that haven't been done before.

 

[Woodrow]

If a team passes on Misa they are going to regret it.

 

[dmcccdmn]

I can't see a GM being in a hurry to trade out of a spot where he has the chance to pick the next Makar- actually, injury aside(which is a collarbone, not a knee, back, or concussion issue with long term repercussions), Schafer has fewer weaknesses than Makar back then. He seems to be a 'can't miss" prospect.

Yeah, it is entirely dependent on how much the Islanders value Schaefer, Misa, Hagens, Martone. If they value Schaefer like he's the best thing in the past decade, then they stay pat and pick Schaefer because their asking price would be higher than what San Jose, Chicago or Utah feel is fair. Vice versa, if they value Misa or Hagens and their asking price is reasonable, we'll have interesting movement at the draft.

 

[dmcccdmn]

If a team passes on Misa they are going to regret it.

From everything I read about Misa (and Schaefer, Hagens and Martone), I think Misa has the potential to be the best player in this draft. If Islanders or Sharks trade out of the top-2 pick, they might end up regretting it big time.

 

[Brodeur]

You see something like this in the NBA where you can get 4, 5 or even 6 teams involved to make the trade balanced out and works for everyone. The NHL has no such thing previously, and teams are scared to do things that haven't been done before.

1999 was the closest and involved several trades and five teams. Mostly it's just difficult for things to make sense for all every teams. But just for the walk down memory lane:

Trade #1: Chicago traded #4 to Vancouver for Bryan McCabe and a future 1st rounder. Chicago won that year's lottery and moved from #8 to #4. According to Brian Burke, he was carpooling with Blackhawks GM Bob Murray at the World Championships. Murray asked if Burke would give up #3 because he wanted both Sedins in Chicago. To that point Burke tried to remain silent about his interest in the Sedins. Murray must have eventually realized that Burke couldn't be talked out of the pick so they pivoted and talked about Chicago giving up their pick to Vancouver instead. Murray probably was concerned if neither Sedin was available at #4.

Trade #2: Tampa Bay traded #1 to Vancouver for #4, #75, and #88. Lightning GM Rick Dudley kept things close to the vest to the point where Tampa's scouts weren't sure if they were picking Pavel Brendl or Daniel Sedin. After the fact, Dudley said they would have taken Brendl had they kept the pick. He was just making Burke sweat in the hopes that he'd increase his meager offer. Dudley ended up accepting because he had a separate deal in place with the Rangers who also wanted Brendl.

Trade #3: Vancouver traded #1 to Atlanta for #3 and a future 3rd rounder. Burke managed to recoup a pick by pitching Atlanta's ownership that there'd be a PR difference between selecting Patrik Stefan at #2 versus looking cool by trading up at taking him at #1.

Trade #4: Tampa Bay traded #4 to NY Rangers for Niklas Sundstrom, Dan Cloutier, and future 1st+3rd. Tampa would trade Sundstrom for Andrei Zyuzin+ a few weeks later as well.

Brian Burke didn't know it, but he could have gotten both Sedins at #3 and #4. Rangers would have ended up with Brendl at #1 and Stefan would have gone #2 to Atlanta.

 

[dmcccdmn]

1999 was the closest and involved several trades and five teams. Mostly it's just difficult for things to make sense for all every teams. But just for the walk down memory lane:

Trade #1: Chicago traded #4 to Vancouver for Bryan McCabe and a future 1st rounder. Chicago won that year's lottery and moved from #8 to #4. According to Brian Burke, he was carpooling with Blackhawks GM Bob Murray at the World Championships. Murray asked if Burke would give up #3 because he wanted both Sedins in Chicago. To that point Burke tried to remain silent about his interest in the Sedins. Murray must have eventually realized that Burke couldn't be talked out of the pick so they pivoted and talked about Chicago giving up their pick to Vancouver instead. Murray probably was concerned if neither Sedin was available at #4.

Trade #2: Tampa Bay traded #1 to Vancouver for #4, #75, and #88. Lightning GM Rick Dudley kept things close to the vest to the point where Tampa's scouts weren't sure if they were picking Pavel Brendl or Daniel Sedin. After the fact, Dudley said they would have taken Brendl had they kept the pick. He was just making Burke sweat in the hopes that he'd increase his meager offer. Dudley ended up accepting because he had a separate deal in place with the Rangers who also wanted Brendl.

Trade #3: Vancouver traded #1 to Atlanta for #3 and a future 3rd rounder. Burke managed to recoup a pick by pitching Atlanta's ownership that there'd be a PR difference between selecting Patrik Stefan at #2 versus looking cool by trading up at taking him at #1.

Trade #4: Tampa Bay traded #4 to NY Rangers for Niklas Sundstrom, Dan Cloutier, and future 1st+3rd. Tampa would trade Sundstrom for Andrei Zyuzin+ a few weeks later as well.

Brian Burke didn't know it, but he could have gotten both Sedins at #3 and #4. Rangers would have ended up with Brendl at #1 and Stefan would have gone #2 to Atlanta.

Well, how about this:

CHI: sends a late 1st to Islanders; pick Misa
SJS: sends 2025 DAL's 1st to Islanders; pick Schaefer
Islanders: get 2 1st's; pick Hagens


From San Jose's perspective, they have no reason to get involved and just let CHI pays the cost of moving up 2 spots to pick Misa