What is considered a weak team come PO time?

[Frank Drebin]

From what i gather from the bright minds here is that weak playoff teams lose series, especially against teams that you don’t want to see win or give credit to

 

[JaegerDice]

I definitely think the Sens have the highest floor out of the Buffalo, Detroit, Montreal, and Ottawa quartet. But Montreal has by far the highest ceiling.

They may very well have. It depends on how their young players develop and what additions they make.

I'm speaking purely in terms of performance this season and why they were the team most likely to bow out in the first round of the 'everybody knows these teams are cooked' group.

 

[Canadienna]

One guy calls your team weak and you make a passive aggressive main board thread?

That's WEAK

 

[jackjohnson]

I don’t think LA is weak. They just don’t match up well with EDM. The blueline and checking Fs are too slow, and they don’t have enough scoring.

Wouldn't that be considered weak? Slow forwards, don't have scoring...sounds weak to me

 

[PistolPete]

In the last 6 playoff seasons the Habs have played in 7 series and have a 4-3 record. In the last 6 playoff seasons the Leafs have played in 8 series and have a 2-6 record.

Lots of Leaf-love and Hab-hate in this discussion.

Leaf-love? That'd be a first.

Unless all the posters are Leafs fans, and even that's questionable since Leafs fans are like the parents who have that kid that they love but are deeply ashamed and embarrassed of

 

[bossram]

Wasn't being rhetorical. Was a bit tongue in cheek but it goes more towards the imperfections of the seeding system based on points.

There's no imperfection with seeding by points. You play to win games.

But you can look at things other than standings points to judge the underlying strength of teams.

 

[PistolPete]

There's no imperfection with seeding by points. You play to win games.

But you can look at things other than standings points to judge the underlying strength of teams.

That's what I was getting at- in a meandering sort of way.

 

[Enga Olly]

Come PO time, the teams outside the PO are weak. Stupid question answered

 

[Hockeyholic]

Wanna see a real weak playoff team? Go back and watch the Rangers/Islanders in 94. Islanders were absolutely destroyed in every game.

 

[T REX]

You need to be able to roll 4 lines and forecheck in the playoffs. Big heavy...grit and sandpaper with secondary scoring with someone reliable in net. You better have puck moving Dmen as well as a some shutdown guys that can be trusted out there.

JMHO

 

[Ol' Jase]

A coaching staff that can make in-game adjustments on the fly have a huge advantage in the playoffs compared to those who stick rigidly to the systems that found them regular season success.

See: Vegas and Carolina

 

[PistolPete]

Come PO time, the teams outside the PO are weak. Stupid question answered

Someone didn't bother reading the original post.

 

[BaileyFan]

The Kings were not a weak team, and anybody that argues so is foolish.

The Kings simply encountered a BETTER team. The same BETTER team many years in a row.

As far as what determines a 'weak' playoff team, it's generally a team that does not control play at 5v5, does not outscore their opposition at 5v5, and over-relies on goaltending, hot shooting percentage, or their powerplay.

Teams that put up red flags this season were Washington, Winnipeg, Toronto.

Teams that made the playoffs, but everybody kind knew they were cooked include Montreal, Ottawa and Minnestoa.

I'd argue the teams in those two groups could be considered 'weak'.

You know that more than one thing can be true at the same time right? The Oilers are far better and a legit contender, and the Kings are a weak playoff team. One being true doesn’t invalidate the other.

Kings are a worse version of the current Hurricanes that are rightfully being clowned for their high-floor, low-ceiling safe roster.

 

[PistolPete]

One guy calls your team weak and you make a passive aggressive main board thread?

That's WEAK

I'm not a Kings fan

Why would you even assume I am?

 

[PistolPete]

Wanna see a real weak playoff team? Go back and watch the Rangers/Islanders in 94. Islanders were absolutely destroyed in every game.

Is that the series Mick Vukota attacked Jeff Bloemberg or was that '90?

 

[JaegerDice]

You know that more than one thing can be true at the same time right? The Oilers are far better and a legit contender, and the Kings are a weak playoff team. One being true doesn’t invalidate the other.

Kings are a worse version of the current Hurricanes that are rightfully being clowned for their high-floor, low-ceiling safe roster.

Obviously two things can be true at once.

It just happens that in this case, one of those things simply isnt true.

 

[Dieseloil]

LA is a very good team, so is Vegas and Dallas, Edm is just building and improving as the playoffs proceed. If Byfield gets by Bouchard with the empty cage beckoning well….

 

[PistolPete]

A coaching staff that can make in-game adjustments on the fly have a huge advantage in the playoffs compared to those who stick rigidly to the systems that found them regular season success.

Re: on fly adjustments

That would be reflected in a better RS record already come PO time, no?

Meaning the record between the teams of the two different coaching staffs would be separated enough to make the rigid coaching staff a serious underdog to begin with?

Would it make the rigid coaching staff a weak team though?

 

[Dieseloil]

Wouldn't that be considered weak? Slow forwards, don't have scoring...sounds weak to me

Vancouver is weak, ya know the one out of the playoffs.

 

[PistolPete]

You need to be able to roll 4 lines and forecheck in the playoffs. Big heavy...grit and sandpaper with secondary scoring with someone reliable in net. You better have puck moving Dmen as well as a some shutdown guys that can be trusted out there.

JMHO

..."and if you don't have that a weak team?"

Is that a correct guess at how your post would conclude?

If so, how many teams is this true for?

 

[jackjohnson]

Vancouver is weak, ya know the one out of the playoffs.

Yes Vancouver is weak. I agree with you

 

[Oilslick941611]

4 shots in 3 straight 3rd periods on your way to getting not only eliminated but a gentlemans sweep...hard argue Dallas isn't a weak PO team

 

[PistolPete]

4 shots in 3 straight 3rd periods on your way to getting not only eliminated but a gentlemans sweep...hard argue Dallas isn't a weak PO team

That is where it gets intriguing for me.

Weak as current PO performance vs. performance over the entire season.

 

[Oilslick941611]

That is where it gets intriguing for me.

Weak as current PO performance vs. performance over the entire season.

Playoffs are a different rule book and play style. Success in the regular season doesn't usually carry over to the playoffs. Strong playoff teams aren't always on top of the regular season schedule.

 

[Juxta Position]

On HF, there's a direct correlation between how "weak" a team is and how much the poster hates their opponent.

Example:

Oilers haters: "The Kings, Knights, and Stars were frauds and weaker versions of themselves in past seasons. Wait until the Oilers face a REAL team."