What has been the Leafs biggest mistake?

[egd27]

Not every record. The 74/75 Caps had a .131 points percentage, 92/93 sharks had a 17 game losing streak, The 1980-81 Jets had a 30 game winless streak. The Leafs do have records for most consecutive shutouts to begin a season and most wins to begin a season. A futility record they do have is longest Stanley Cup drought 54 years like the rangers but more games. What other records for futility do they own?

Not sure which are records, but all illustrate decades of futility:

• Stanley Cup Appearance Drought
• One playoff appearance (shortened season) between 05-06 and 16-17
• No playoff series wins since 2004
• 0-8 since last series win when a chance to win a series existed
• Six Shots On Net In Do-Or-Die Playoff Game (Devils)
• Losing to an Emergency Backup Goaltender
• Since they last won the Stanley Cup, 7 of the 13 men never had any NHL experience as a General Manager before the Leafs handed them the job.
• The Leafs have had nine captains since 1967 with not a single one of them managing to retire with the C still sewed on his sweater
• There have been a total of 67 goalies used in the Maple Leafs’ net since the 1966-67 season.
• Highest ticket prices in the league

 

[KevinRedkey]

Exactly this! How could Toronto ever afford the large contracts of Goodrow (925k) and Coleman (1.8m) like Tampa could.

2.725m total

Choose basically any 2 to replace.
Ritchie, Mikheyev, Engvall, Kampf, Kase

Did you even try to comprehend what I wrote?

My point is Tampa made those moves and Toronto didn't. Goodrow and Coleman each had 2 years left at super bargain prices. I don't think there are any guys like that left in the league (except high value ELC players), hence Toronto couldn't do it even if they wanted to.

 

[Bluelines]

Did you even try to comprehend what I wrote?

My point is Tampa made those moves and Toronto didn't. Goodrow and Coleman each had 2 years left at super bargain prices. I don't think there are any guys like that left in the league (except high value ELC players), hence Toronto couldn't do it even if they wanted to.

Not to mention Toronto has very few assets they can or are willing trade for low cap hit/high value players like Goodrow/Coleman. Toronto is not willing to trade Sandin, Robertson, Abramrov (sp?) we have virtually no picks next draft. So how can Dubie get something for nothing?

 

[Racer88]

Not to mention Toronto has very few assets they can or are willing trade for low cap hit/high value players like Goodrow/Coleman. Toronto is not willing to trade Sandin, Robertson, Abramrov (sp?) we have virtually no picks next draft. So how can Dubie get something for nothing?

You cannot get money for nothing so I would say we are in Dire Straights

 

[notbias]

Not to mention Toronto has very few assets they can or are willing trade for low cap hit/high value players like Goodrow/Coleman. Toronto is not willing to trade Sandin, Robertson, Abramrov (sp?) we have virtually no picks next draft. So how can Dubie get something for nothing?

We have a lot of good prospects, and if the deal is right they'd likely trade any of them.

 

[ThrowDemTongs]

You cannot get money for nothing so I would say we are in Dire Straights

And definitely not brothers in arms

 

[hamzarocks]

We have a lot of good prospects, and if the deal is right they'd likely trade any of them.

We have prospects which are valued higher in the organization than they would be in a package

Guys like Kral, Kokkonen, Niemela, Hirvonen, Abramov are not worth a 1st which is usually needed to bring a quality rental or 2 playoff run player (like Goodrow+Coleman)

They are guys who are developing within the system and need another strong year to really gain league wide status as a prospects which raises their values and increases the likelihood they can be used as a main asset for a win now move

 

[notbias]

We have prospects which are valued higher in the organization than they would be in a package

Guys like Kral, Kokkonen, Niemela, Hirvonen, Abramov are not worth a 1st which is usually needed to bring a quality rental or 2 playoff run player (like Goodrow+Coleman)

They are guys who are developing within the system and need another strong year to really gain league wide status as a prospects which raises their values and increases the likelihood they can be used as a main asset for a win now move

We have our next 3 first-rounders, and I'd assume each of Robertson, Amirov, Sandin, Liljegren are all worth around a first at least.

There is a group of players like some of the ones you mentioned who are probably in between 2nd-4th round pick value.

We have the assets to get things done if we want.

Also, the value of our prospects is unknown, you say they are more valuable to us, that simply may not be true, on HFBoards for sure since each team's fanbase is usually less knowledgeable about prospects outside their organization, but amongst NHL teams a player like Kral, who has progressed well and was a former 4th rounder (I think), a team may like his progress and be willing to consider his value equal to a 3rd, it is really hard to tell.

 

[hamzarocks]

We have our next 3 first-rounders, and I'd assume each of Robertson, Amirov, Sandin, Liljegren are all worth around a first at least.

There is a group of players like some of the ones you mentioned who are probably in between 2nd-4th round pick value.

We have the assets to get things done if we want.

Also, the value of our prospects is unknown, you say they are more valuable to us, that simply may not be true, on HFBoards for sure since each team's fanbase is usually less knowledgeable about prospects outside their organization, but amongst NHL teams a player like Kral, who has progressed well and was a former 4th rounder (I think), a team may like his progress and be willing to consider his value equal to a 3rd, it is really hard to tell.

For sure the big 4 prospects are worth a 1st or so but those guys are also players I don't want to move in a trade lol.

Those are our main supporting core pieces and very likely to become at minimum 3rd liners (Kapanen on the leafs) and Holl level defenders (4/5D)

The other guys are players I want to move. If we give up one of those 4 I'd expect a big time player coming back (a core player depending on the package offered by the leafs(


Teams like the Kings, Sens, Canes, have prospects in their 5-10 range who are worth around a 1st and similar to our top 4 guys. Hoping some of our 2nd tier guys grow to that level

 

[Racer88]

And definitely not brothers in arms

I agree 100%. Lol

 

[notbias]

For sure the big 4 prospects are worth a 1st or so but those guys are also players I don't want to move in a trade lol.

Those are our main supporting core pieces and very likely to become at minimum 3rd liners (Kapanen on the leafs) and Holl level defenders (4/5D)

The other guys are players I want to move. If we give up one of those 4 I'd expect a big time player coming back (a core player depending on the package offered by the leafs(


Teams like the Kings, Sens, Canes, have prospects in their 5-10 range who are worth around a 1st and similar to our top 4 guys. Hoping some of our 2nd tier guys grow to that level

Ya, I don't really want to move any of the top prospects right now, or a couple of the really intriguing ones, but we do have the pieces to get things done, it just depends how much of the future you want to mortgage.

But we are actually set up fairly nicely right now, we have an arguably top 10 (depending on who you ask) prospect pool and are a top 10 team, very few top-end teams have a decent prospect pool.

 

[egd27]

You cannot get money for nothing so I would say we are in Dire Straights

And the Cups seems So Far Away, but hey, Why Worry about things out of your control?

 

[Leaf Fans]

Not sure which are records, but all illustrate decades of futility:

• Stanley Cup Appearance Drought
• One playoff appearance (shortened season) between 05-06 and 16-17
• No playoff series wins since 2004
• 0-8 since last series win when a chance to win a series existed
• Six Shots On Net In Do-Or-Die Playoff Game (Devils)
• Losing to an Emergency Backup Goaltender
• Since they last won the Stanley Cup, 7 of the 13 men never had any NHL experience as a General Manager before the Leafs handed them the job.
• The Leafs have had nine captains since 1967 with not a single one of them managing to retire with the C still sewed on his sweater
• There have been a total of 67 goalies used in the Maple Leafs’ net since the 1966-67 season.
• Highest ticket prices in the league

Some of those might be records. Most are interesting facts. However, the claim was that the Leafs hold all the NHL records for futility. This of course is demonstrably false. My question was which do they own? I already mentioned the Stanley Cup drought and the 6 shot ( I originally thought it was 8 and was corrected).

 

[Jozay]

Outside of the top picks, getting shit all from the 2015-17 drafts.

 

[Sniper99]

OMG you could write a book on their mistakes, its not just one.

Oh wait here they are.

Amazon.ca

https://www.amazon.ca/Why-Leafs-Sti...ords=why+the+leafs+suck&qid=1628877603&sr=8-1

My Dad bought me these books as gag gifts over the years for Christmas. In here you'll find a tonne of mistakes where we f***ed up.

-Ballard for an owner.
-Ballard refusing to hire Scotty Bowman to coach
People think we screwed up drafting over the past few years. NOPE!! Get these books and you'll see who we didnt draft/sign/trade for and then who we took and how many career NHL games they had.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

This was a minor one, though the difference between that 13-14 team being a playoff contender and an awful team wasn’t choosing Bolland over Grabovski, but still.

 

[Habz4Evr]

We have our next 3 first-rounders, and I'd assume each of Robertson, Amirov, Sandin, Liljegren are all worth around a first at least.

There is a group of players like some of the ones you mentioned who are probably in between 2nd-4th round pick value.

We have the assets to get things done if we want.

Also, the value of our prospects is unknown, you say they are more valuable to us, that simply may not be true, on HFBoards for sure since each team's fanbase is usually less knowledgeable about prospects outside their organization, but amongst NHL teams a player like Kral, who has progressed well and was a former 4th rounder (I think), a team may like his progress and be willing to consider his value equal to a 3rd, it is really hard to tell.

Good luck with that.

 

[mikeyz]

This guys takes are hot garbage 99% of the time. Unfortunately his take in this tweet is in the 1%.

I can't say that he's wrong here.

 

[Apex Predator]

This guys takes are hot garbage 99% of the time. Unfortunately his take in this tweet is in the 1%.

I can't say that he's wrong here.

Is that legit that Robin Lehner replied back and said no?

 

[mikeyz]

Is that legit that Robin Lehner replied back and said no?

Yup. He tweeted that he was going to have a 1 hour Q and A session.

 

[Apex Predator]

Yup. He tweeted that he was going to have a 1 hour Q and A session.

damn savage!

this also should conform to others that some players just don’t want to be here. When we complain why didn’t Dubas get this guy well maybe they don’t want to play here.

 

[Menzinger]

Player don't want to play for certain teams for any number of reasons. I can't think of a worse environment for a guy like Lehner than the media scrums every Post game.

 

[Racer88]

Playing in the Leafs market is simple……..win and life will be good.

 

[Gabriel426]

Not sure which are records, but all illustrate decades of futility:

• Stanley Cup Appearance Drought
• One playoff appearance (shortened season) between 05-06 and 16-17
• No playoff series wins since 2004
• 0-8 since last series win when a chance to win a series existed
• Six Shots On Net In Do-Or-Die Playoff Game (Devils)
• Losing to an Emergency Backup Goaltender
• Since they last won the Stanley Cup, 7 of the 13 men never had any NHL experience as a General Manager before the Leafs handed them the job.
• The Leafs have had nine captains since 1967 with not a single one of them managing to retire with the C still sewed on his sweater
• There have been a total of 67 goalies used in the Maple Leafs’ net since the 1966-67 season.
• Highest ticket prices in the league

You forgot being Leafs fans- Priceless

 

[Gabriel426]

Yup. He tweeted that he was going to have a 1 hour Q and A session.

I think it is a bit disrespectful to your current team if you say I would play for certain teams. Did anyone else asked him about playing for other teams?