What has been the Leafs biggest mistake?

[TorMapleJays]

Kadri.

 

[ACC1224]

Add hiring Dusty Imoo to the poll.

 

[Fogelhund]

Kadri.

It wasn't a bad pick at the time, Ryan O'Reilly would have been better in hindsight, but RoR wasn't ranked near that spot at the time.

 

[TorMapleJays]

It wasn't a bad pick at the time, Ryan O'Reilly would have been better in hindsight, but RoR wasn't ranked near that spot at the time.

Trading Kadri.

sorry.

 

[Fogelhund]

Trading Kadri.

sorry.

LOL... Trading Kadri was a necessity... I can't believe people still lack the understanding on this story. He was given many chances by this organization, had troubles with every coach in the organization, from the Marlies, to the Leafs. Was publicly called out by Shanahan for a lack of maturity, internally suspended, and warned by the team. In the end, they left him no choice.

In Brendan Shanahan’s first season running the Maple Leafs, he was so concerned about the direction in which Nazem Kadri’s career was going, he suspended him from the team, essentially for insubordination.
In that season of discovery and disappointment, Shanahan figured that there was enough about Kadri worth fighting for — so much so that, when he called him to his office to explain the internal suspension, he didn’t call him alone.

He included his parents in the meeting, which is extraordinarily rare for anything that happens in professional sport. Players, yes. Agents, yes. But parents?
Shanahan wanted the Kadri family, mom and dad, to know how much he cared for the hockey player, the person, their son, the talent level. And he wanted Kadri’s parents to have a full understanding of what the expectation was to being a Maple Leaf.

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“There’s more to this, obviously,” Shanahan told reporters. “If this were a case of Naz being 15 minutes late to a meeting, one time, yes, you could probably sweep this under the rug and handle this internally … [but] we expect a certain amount of professionalism, it’s time for him to start making better decisions. There’s a history here.
“There comes a point in the careers of many hockey players … where you have to grow up. Naz is 24. This is not something where we thought it would benefit him to sweep it under the rug. He understands our decision and how serious we are about him taking the next step and incidents like this won’t be tolerated.”
It’s an odd stance given everything Shanahan has tolerated in barely a year on the job, but I guess you have to draw the line somewhere.

These are quotes from 2015.

He's been suspended SIX times since then.

He lacks maturity, and has poor decision making... it hasn't changed in six years, and this organization demands more from his players. He's likely not far from been exorcised from the Avalanche either.

When you are repeatedly told you are running out of chances, and you continue to show the same behaviour, eventually there are consequences. His behaviour traded him from the organization, this is all on him.

 

[TorMapleJays]

LOL... Trading Kadri was a necessity... I can't believe people still lack the understanding on this story. He was given many chances by this organization, had troubles with every coach in the organization, from the Marlies, to the Leafs. Was publicly called out by Shanahan for a lack of maturity, internally suspended, and warned by the team. In the end, they left him no choice.

In Brendan Shanahan’s first season running the Maple Leafs, he was so concerned about the direction in which Nazem Kadri’s career was going, he suspended him from the team, essentially for insubordination.
In that season of discovery and disappointment, Shanahan figured that there was enough about Kadri worth fighting for — so much so that, when he called him to his office to explain the internal suspension, he didn’t call him alone.

He included his parents in the meeting, which is extraordinarily rare for anything that happens in professional sport. Players, yes. Agents, yes. But parents?
Shanahan wanted the Kadri family, mom and dad, to know how much he cared for the hockey player, the person, their son, the talent level. And he wanted Kadri’s parents to have a full understanding of what the expectation was to being a Maple Leaf.

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“There’s more to this, obviously,” Shanahan told reporters. “If this were a case of Naz being 15 minutes late to a meeting, one time, yes, you could probably sweep this under the rug and handle this internally … [but] we expect a certain amount of professionalism, it’s time for him to start making better decisions. There’s a history here.
“There comes a point in the careers of many hockey players … where you have to grow up. Naz is 24. This is not something where we thought it would benefit him to sweep it under the rug. He understands our decision and how serious we are about him taking the next step and incidents like this won’t be tolerated.”
It’s an odd stance given everything Shanahan has tolerated in barely a year on the job, but I guess you have to draw the line somewhere.

These are quotes from 2015.

He's been suspended SIX times since then.

He lacks maturity, and has poor decision making... it hasn't changed in six years, and this organization demands more from his players. He's likely not far from been exorcised from the Avalanche either.

When you are repeatedly told you are running out of chances, and you continue to show the same behaviour, eventually there are consequences. His behaviour traded him from the organization, this is all on him.

Took the bait on that one didn’t I.

IMO Kadri on the Leafs makes the Leafs better then Kadri off of the Leafs.

 

[yubbers]

Shanny and Duas make us a laughing stock yet again. Please fire these fools MLSE.

 

[yubbers]

Add hiring Dusty Imoo to the poll.

For having a different opinion than you? Lirl. This woke organization is a joke.

 

[notbias]

Dubas giving out too much money up front, leading to a top heavy team with no depth.

Tampa was swept, and they went ahead and traded two first round picks+ for Goodrow and Coleman. They won 2 cups. Toronto hasn't made those moves, and to a certain extent can't even make those moves. Because they have no depth to trade up for other than Kerfoot.

Exactly this! How could Toronto ever afford the large contracts of Goodrow (925k) and Coleman (1.8m) like Tampa could.

2.725m total

Choose basically any 2 to replace.
Ritchie, Mikheyev, Engvall, Kampf, Kase

 

[Maple Leaf]

LOL... Trading Kadri was a necessity... I can't believe people still lack the understanding on this story. He was given many chances by this organization, had troubles with every coach in the organization, from the Marlies, to the Leafs. Was publicly called out by Shanahan for a lack of maturity, internally suspended, and warned by the team. In the end, they left him no choice.

In Brendan Shanahan’s first season running the Maple Leafs, he was so concerned about the direction in which Nazem Kadri’s career was going, he suspended him from the team, essentially for insubordination.
In that season of discovery and disappointment, Shanahan figured that there was enough about Kadri worth fighting for — so much so that, when he called him to his office to explain the internal suspension, he didn’t call him alone.

He included his parents in the meeting, which is extraordinarily rare for anything that happens in professional sport. Players, yes. Agents, yes. But parents?
Shanahan wanted the Kadri family, mom and dad, to know how much he cared for the hockey player, the person, their son, the talent level. And he wanted Kadri’s parents to have a full understanding of what the expectation was to being a Maple Leaf.

--------------------------

“There’s more to this, obviously,” Shanahan told reporters. “If this were a case of Naz being 15 minutes late to a meeting, one time, yes, you could probably sweep this under the rug and handle this internally … [but] we expect a certain amount of professionalism, it’s time for him to start making better decisions. There’s a history here.
“There comes a point in the careers of many hockey players … where you have to grow up. Naz is 24. This is not something where we thought it would benefit him to sweep it under the rug. He understands our decision and how serious we are about him taking the next step and incidents like this won’t be tolerated.”
It’s an odd stance given everything Shanahan has tolerated in barely a year on the job, but I guess you have to draw the line somewhere.

These are quotes from 2015.

He's been suspended SIX times since then.

He lacks maturity, and has poor decision making... it hasn't changed in six years, and this organization demands more from his players. He's likely not far from been exorcised from the Avalanche either.

When you are repeatedly told you are running out of chances, and you continue to show the same behaviour, eventually there are consequences. His behaviour traded him from the organization, this is all on him.

Would rather have Kadri than Tavares

 

[ACC1224]

For having a different opinion than you? Lirl. This woke organization is a joke.

What’s my opinion?

 

[Leaf Fans]

Shanny and Duas make us a laughing stock yet again. Please fire these fools MLSE.

How do Shanny and Dubas make us look like laughing stocks? They lack the power to make us look like anything.

 

[Racer88]

How do Shanny and Dubas make us look like laughing stocks? They lack the power to make us look like anything.

We only look like what we allow ourselves to look like but Leaf fans do get ridiculed a lot for our continuing support of such am incompetent team the last 50 years.
The Leafs hold every record for futility in the league and everyone ridicules that.
I personally don’t care because it doesn’t bother me but it does happen……most of it good natured by the way

 

[Bluelines]

Took the bait on that one didn’t I.

IMO Kadri on the Leafs makes the Leafs better then Kadri off of the Leafs.

It was Kadri for Kerfoot/Barrie, IMO Dubie had no intention of keeping Barrie. So that is essentially Kadri for Kerfoot. IMO even with Kadri's playoff antics , we are a better team with him than we are with Kerfoot. How can someone head shot players in 3 separate playoffs and get suspended in 3 different playoffs? I don't understand how this is not clicking for Kadri? Don't lead with your elbows, don't come from a players blind spot and if you are snorting like a mad bull, probably best to not hit that player...

 

[Leaf Fans]

We only look like what we allow ourselves to look like but Leaf fans do get ridiculed a lot for our continuing support of such am incompetent team the last 50 years.
The Leafs hold every record for futility in the league and everyone ridicules that.
I personally don’t care because it doesn’t bother me but it does happen……most of it good natured by the way

Not every record. The 74/75 Caps had a .131 points percentage, 92/93 sharks had a 17 game losing streak, The 1980-81 Jets had a 30 game winless streak. The Leafs do have records for most consecutive shutouts to begin a season and most wins to begin a season. A futility record they do have is longest Stanley Cup drought 54 years like the rangers but more games. What other records for futility do they own?

 

[Bluelines]

Hiring Dusty Imoo, da guy with da small pee-pee issues.

LMAO... I often wonder why internet tough guys delete their twitter accounts when its time to get a job. I don't support his views but having courage of conviction use to be a thing, in todays day it's just spew your opinion and when it comes time to get a job with the corporate elites that you hate, delete your account... and be that person.... jebus some people need to be put over grand pa's knee and taught some decency.

 

[Omar23]

Signing of JT well lets just say Dubas

So many choices to choose from

I’d say shanahan hiring dubas. Can’t blame dubas, what was he supposed to turn down the job, rookie gm who got owned in his first contract negotiations, has been hamstrung by that since

 

[Omar23]

So many choices to choose from

I’d say shanahan hiring dubas. Can’t blame dubas, what was he supposed to turn down the job, rookie gm who got owned in his first contract negotiations, has been hamstrung by that since

I could be wrong though, signing JT was a brutal unforced error

 

[Stonehands1990]

Took the bait on that one didn’t I.

IMO Kadri on the Leafs makes the Leafs better then Kadri off of the Leafs.

Washington would never trade Tom Wilson
Boston would never trade Marchand

Toronto is the only team dumb enough to move a unicorn type player (skill and physicality)

 

[Gary Nylund]

Not every record. The 74/75 Caps had a .131 points percentage, 92/93 sharks had a 17 game losing streak, The 1980-81 Jets had a 30 game winless streak. The Leafs do have records for most consecutive shutouts to begin a season and most wins to begin a season. A futility record they do have is longest Stanley Cup drought 54 years like the rangers but more games. What other records for futility do they own?

I have no idea who has the record for most consecutive 1st round losses but I think that could be us?

If you're looking for where the futility records are, the playoffs are the first place I'd look in any case.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Washington would never trade Tom Wilson
Boston would never trade Marchand

Toronto is the only team dumb enough to move a unicorn type player (skill and physicality)

Which unicorn Tom Wilson/ Marchand type player did they trade?

 

[Leaf Fans]

I have no idea who has the record for most consecutive 1st round losses but I think that could be us?

If you're looking for where the futility records are, the playoffs are the first place I'd look in any case.

Possibly, perhaps the jets in the Oilers years. The problem for the Leafs is a lot of those years that we count as having not made it out of the first round, we didn't even make the playoffs. I thought of another we got like 8 shots ( maybe less) in a game against New Jersey one year.

 

[ottomaddox]

Shanny and Duas make us a laughing stock yet again. Please fire these fools MLSE.

Was it Shanny who apologized and reneged the job offer or is it Dubas' job to hire/fire Marlies coaches?

 

[Gary Nylund]

Possibly, perhaps the jets in the Oilers years. The problem for the Leafs is a lot of those years that we count as having not made it out of the first round, we didn't even make the playoffs. I thought of another we got like 8 shots ( maybe less) in a game against New Jersey one year.

Oh crap, I remember that Jersey game, pretty sure we had 6 shots on net in that one. Definitely a low point in our history, could well be a record IMO.

 

[Blowfish]

Where to start?