Speculation: What does Vegas do?

[Filthy Dangles]

I hope they abuse the f*** out of the Salary cap and keep everyone. f*** it, fabricate an injury to Dadonov and/or Smith, fit Eichel in for the regular season to mesh with his new mates then everyone comes back for playoffs.

 

[Boris Zubov]

How available is Nicholas Roy?

I'd say not at all. He's having an extremely productive year on a league minimum contract. Vegas needs more players like him, not less.

 

[PAZ]

Ya so if Vegas were to trade a 2nd to Anaheim to get Ryan Kesler and immediately place him on LTIR would they not be able to then exceed the cap by his 6.75 mil just like Toronto did with Horton? which would them give them enough space to activate Eichel? I'm not arguing that you're wrong I'm just confused as to why that would be allowed and this wouldn't

Kesler on LTIR doesn't increase the teams actual cap space, just like Horton didn't increase Toronto's actual cap space.

 

[mouser]

Ya so if Vegas were to trade a 2nd to Anaheim to get Ryan Kesler and immediately place him on LTIR would they not be able to then exceed the cap by his 6.75 mil just like Toronto did with Horton? which would them give them enough space to activate Eichel? I'm not arguing that you're wrong I'm just confused as to why that would be allowed and this wouldn't

The error you're making is incorrectly believing that Kesler would have a $0 cap hit. Injured players have their cap hits count in full.

If Vegas were to trade for Kesler they would increase their cap usage by his $6.875m contract. And they would get an offsetting $6.875m in the LTIR relief pool.

Net cap space is $6.875m contract - $6.875m LTIR relief = $0 net free cap space gained.

 

[Brovalchuk]

I'd say not at all. He's having an extremely productive year on a league minimum contract. Vegas needs more players like him, not less.

While that's true, he is an RFA this year, and should command an increase in salary. with Eichel/Stephenson/Karlsson down the middle, I feel he could potentially be part of the squeeze.

 

[Mr Positive]

I hope they abuse the f*** out of the Salary cap and keep everyone. f*** it, fabricate an injury to Dadonov and/or Smith, fit Eichel in for the regular season to mesh with his new mates then everyone comes back for playoffs.

And how do the insurance companies allow their cash to be lit on fire?

Although I wonder if any player has the option of an elective surgery, some nagging issue they could knock out.

Also, do they have an uninsured contracts? Maybe some fudging could be done with them

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

Dadonov gets injured in a freak gasoline fight accident. Problem solved.

Lamoriello is GM of the Islanders.

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

Ben Bishop for Chicago 5th round pick.

 

[Boris Zubov]

What makes it different than Horton for Clarkson then? Just wondering what I'm missing

I don't remember enough of the specifics of those contracts & which teams they were traded to comment. LTIR money only helps in cases like Tampa was able to get under the cap when Kucherov & his $11M were placed on IR & Tampa was able to become compliant. They didn't go out & acquire a LTIR contract to help squeeze them under the cap. Had he been able to return before the regular season ended (very debatable in his case), they would've had to make some moves to become compliant.

Contracts like the two you mentioned tend to get traded when cap dollars are involved but no real dollars are involved. Arizona for example have taken on LTIR contracts that have no financial obligation so they can avoid spending real money & still reach the cap floor.

I think what he's saying is that in your ANA scenario, VGK would still have to deal back 6.25m in equivalent cap space for that to benefit them. They would be paying Kesler the money but it would not be against their cap. If they just gave a 2nd, then they would net gain/lose 0 cap space.

Correct. Vegas could theoretically take on Kesler's contract from the Ducks, but it wouldn't create any new cap space for them because they had no space before the deal. The only benefit would be to the Ducks if the contract was uninsured & they gave the Knights a prospect or a draft pick to pay the remaining money owed.

Vegas has to shed real cap space to fit Eichel & Martinez unless their own players become LTIR eligible.

 

[Boris Zubov]

While that's true, he is an RFA this year, and should command an increase in salary. with Eichel/Stephenson/Karlsson down the middle, I feel he could potentially be part of the squeeze.

I don't see it. I honestly think Karlsson is a dark horse to be moved before Roy & definitely before Stephenson.

 

[Qward]

Someone will take Reilly Smith for a late pick then flip him for a higher pick to a contender.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Someone will take Reilly Smith for a late pick then flip him for a higher pick to a contender.

Why wouldn't a contender just deal directly with Vegas & split the difference?

 

[Qward]

Why wouldn't a contender just deal directly with Vegas & split the difference?

Because the third party can retain.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Because the third party can retain.

A team like the Rangers doesn't need any retention.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Someone will take Reilly Smith for a late pick then flip him for a higher pick to a contender.

i doubt vegas would have to pay anyone to take him, they would get positive value back for him if they were to move him

 

[gstommylee]

Hands tied for what?

Keeping Eichel on LTIR, and getting him back to playoffs..?

There's no CBA rule (or if there is, please inform me) which will force a team activating player out from LTIR. They can stay there, if there's no other answers.

You can't keep a health player on LTIR in definatelly. NHL would deem that circumventing the cap by abusing the LTIR.

 

[Qward]

A team like the Rangers doesn't need any retention.

At no point did I mention which teams would be involved.

 

[gstommylee]

They will just abuse the LTIR system like the Lightning did last year and the league won't do crap about it.

Tampa didn't abuse LTIR system... Kuch's timeline for recovery and playing again right when the playoffs started. Remember last season was a shorten season due to the virus mess.

 

[Boris Zubov]

At no point did I mention which teams would be involved.

Ok then. Good talk.

 

[IceNeophyte]

You only need to eliminate to cover about half a year salary for Eichel, but the trick is that each elimination you make only drops half of that player's salary. So losing Dadonov, or Smith, would only eliminate $2.5M.

 

[RSPens]

Hands tied for what?

Keeping Eichel on LTIR, and getting him back to playoffs..?

There's no CBA rule (or if there is, please inform me) which will force a team activating player out from LTIR. They can stay there, if there's no other answers.

Technically as soon as the player is cleared by a doctor to be able to play, they have to be removed from LTIR. The issue comes in as to whether it has to be a team doctor or a league doctor.

 

[TheHelmet]

Wow, crazy, had no idea they have to find that much.

Thought it was closer to $2.5

 

[gstommylee]

Wow, crazy, had no idea they have to find that much.

Thought it was closer to $2.5

This is what happens when you have a team that has no idea how to manage salary cap.

 

[PainForShane]

To AZ: Dadonov + Howden + 2nd

To LV: Travis Boyd

Nah. Boyd's actually playing well for us.

To AZ: Dadonov + 2022 2nd round pick
To LV: A back of pucks (probably end up as a 7th rounder or a bad prospect like whoever went the other way in the Fleury trade)

Dadonov does have a 10-team no trade though, he might rather have his eyes poked out by cacti than spend two years in this clusterf*** of an organization. As a Yotes fan I would not blame him at all

 

[Djp]

Hands tied for what?

Keeping Eichel on LTIR, and getting him back to playoffs..?

There's no CBA rule (or if there is, please inform me) which will force a team activating player out from LTIR. They can stay there, if there's no other answers.

They can wait till playoffs to activate Eichel.

they can trade smith
Or trade Dadanov
Or trade spare parts totaling that

there really is a limit to the options