Player Discussion What do we have in J.T. Miller? | Part 2

[M2Beezy]

JT Frickin Miller

 

[DonnyNucker]

Just curious.

How much money would you be willing to bet on us making the playoffs?
Just to gauge how sure you are of this.

A few thousand for sure. Obviously I don’t make any bets without knowing the potential return. But if it was 50/50 payout, I’d bet a lot.

 

[PecaFan]

Man, there's a lot of overconfidence here for a team that is literally one loss away from being out of the playoffs again.

 

[the_gman83]

Man, there's a lot of overconfidence here for a team that is literally one loss away from being out of the playoffs again.

* as long as all three teams behind them get points.

 

[BWJM]

Here’s to hoping Miller loves Vancouver and takes a team friendly deal in a few years to keep the ball rolling.

 

[Hit the post]

* as long as all three teams behind them get points.

With the loser point, that isn't a huge stretch.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

I thought after last night's game this thread deserved a bump.
On pace for 31 goals and 79 points. Way better than anyone could have hoped for at the time of the trade.
But it's not just the points: 19 minutes of ice time and a plus-two rating along with two key penalty-killing shifts late in the second period and midway through the third, three blocked shots and a 73-per-cent success rate in the face-off circle.
He's such a good all round player. The kind of leadership that the young guys really need to fully develop their games.

 

[Spectrefire]

Easily one of the best wingers in the NHL. Just a fully complete player in every aspect of the game.

At this point, I'd consider a late 1st and a 3rd round pick to be underpayment for a top-line winger in this prime.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

This aged well....

Grading the Canucks Off Season Moves

 

[Jay Cee]

I thought after last night's game this thread deserved a bump.
On pace for 31 goals and 79 points. Way better than anyone could have hoped for at the time of the trade.
But it's not just the points: 19 minutes of ice time and a plus-two rating along with two key penalty-killing shifts late in the second period and midway through the third, three blocked shots and a 73-per-cent success rate in the face-off circle.
He's such a good all round player. The kind of leadership that the young guys really need to fully develop their games.

Exceptttt for Jim Benning and John Weisbrod. Amirite?

 

[Grantham]

This was either going to be a stupid buffoon level trade, or gutsy, and fortunately for the us, it has turned out on the gutsy and rewarding side. Gotta give credit where credit is due even though I’m not a big fan of the management overall.

 

[F A N]

I just want to know whether those who were against the trade due to "timing" would still be arguing "timing" if the Canucks win the division.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

I just want to know whether those who were against the trade due to "timing" would still be arguing "timing" if the Canucks win the division.

Have you not check in the tank thread?
Me neither

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

I thought after last night's game this thread deserved a bump.
On pace for 31 goals and 79 points. Way better than anyone could have hoped for at the time of the trade.
But it's not just the points: 19 minutes of ice time and a plus-two rating along with two key penalty-killing shifts late in the second period and midway through the third, three blocked shots and a 73-per-cent success rate in the face-off circle.
He's such a good all round player. The kind of leadership that the young guys really need to fully develop their games.

My prediction was Miller would def hit 50 maybe close to 60 in a permanent top 6 role.

I was so naive

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

I’m pretty sure he’s among the top of the league at faceoff winning % which is stupidly insane.

also, can we just emphasize that he’s signed til 2023 with a cap hit of 5.25m????

Like...Tampa made a successful bet with signing him long term, but they aren’t benefiting from it thus far

 

[M2Beezy]

My prediction was Miller would def hit 50 maybe close to 60 in a permanent top 6 role.

I was so naive

Agreed Billy, you are

 

[Spectrefire]

This aged well....

Grading the Canucks Off Season Moves

I could *never* understand the talk that Miller was a good middle six forward.

At the time of the trade, his totals for his previous 4 seasons were 43, 56, 58, and 48, with 20 goals in each of the first 3, and his final year in Tampa was widely considered a down year due to being moved up and down the lineup.

At the very least, Miller was a legit top-six forward when the Canucks traded for him, yet for some reason, people refused to call him that.

 

[Chimpradamus]

Man, there's a lot of overconfidence here for a team that is literally one loss away from being out of the playoffs again.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

I could *never* understand the talk that Miller was a good middle six forward.

At the time of the trade, his totals for his previous 4 seasons were 43, 56, 58, and 48, with 20 goals in each of the first 3, and his final year in Tampa was widely considered a down year due to being moved up and down the lineup.

At the very least, Miller was a legit top-six forward when the Canucks traded for him, yet for some reason, people refused to call him that.

It’s the agenda on this board by a group of ppl

 

[PuckFather]

Man, there's a lot of overconfidence here for a team that is literally one loss away from being out of the playoffs again.

Wrong, with one loss, we are still in the top three. try again.

 

[WTG]

It’s the agenda on this board by a group of ppl

Canucks have had a record of piss-poor pro-scouting. Plus, Miller was coming off a down year.
You're telling me there wasn't a reason to be skeptical?

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Canucks have had a record of piss-poor pro-scouting. Plus, Miller was coming off a down year.
You're telling me there wasn't a reason to be skeptical?

Coupled with the fact that the Canucks have finished in the bottom 10 in the league for the last four seasons, and the rumour that Benning didn't try to negotiate the offer at all (in isolation this seems unlikely, but a similar report came out about the McCann + 33rd overall for Gudbranson trade).

But facts and logical reasoning don't matter. It's all hindsight arguments that will prevail, which miss the point of judging the trade at the time it happened.

 

[DonnyNucker]

Coupled with the fact that the Canucks have finished in the bottom 10 in the league for the last four seasons, and the rumour that Benning didn't try to negotiate the offer at all (in isolation this seems unlikely, but a similar report came out about the McCann + 33rd overall for Gudbranson trade).

But facts and logical reasoning don't matter. It's all hindsight arguments that will prevail, which miss the point of judging the trade at the time it happened.

Man this the most frustrating narrative of all on hockey buzz. There is no way you actually believe that benning didn’t try to negotiate. You are smart guy and surely you know this isn’t true. So why write this comment? It’s incredibly disingenuous . Benning himself said TA was asking for more and this is what they settled on.

I mean a 6 year old knows how to negotiate and you think a man running a $500 million franchise doesn’t know how to or refuses to? Absurd. He may sound like an idiot on interviews but I don’t think his IQ is below 70

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Man this the most frustrating narrative of all on hockey buzz. There is no way you actually believe that benning didn’t try to negotiate. You are smart guy and surely you know this isn’t true. So why write this comment? Benning himself said TA was asking for more and this is what they settled on.

It's just a rumour - like I said, normally I'd just discard it, but there are other rumours of different, similar stories as well. Either way though, it's not one of the more important factors in evaluating the trade. The team's trajectory at the time of the trade, along with Benning's track record of pro-scouting, were the main causes for concern.

It is amusing to see all these people chest thumping about how good the trade was, when they never even watched J.T. Miller before the trade occurred aside from a handful of games, and we still don't even know where the pick ends up lol.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Coupled with the fact that the Canucks have finished in the bottom 10 in the league for the last four seasons, and the rumour that Benning didn't try to negotiate the offer at all (in isolation this seems unlikely, but a similar report came out about the McCann + 33rd overall for Gudbranson trade).

But facts and logical reasoning don't matter. It's all hindsight arguments that will prevail, which miss the point of judging the trade at the time it happened.

Well your post including wild rumours of Benning not negotiating is certainly proof of that. The irony is quite amazing.