News Article: What did the Senators get out of trading EK65

[AchtzehnBaby]

Even if we except your logic as true (which, for the record, I don’t) then the quoted above is more than enough to make you wonder why the org thought this was a good time for a rebuild.

Don't get me wrong. I think Mark would have stuck around if we had a contending team planned. We had a rebuild in the plans, and I think it made his decision easier.

 

[JD1]

The irony of the thread title just kicked in for me

We got out of that contract

 

[Sweatred]

The irony of the thread title just kicked in for me

We got out of that contract

We wouldn’t trade Klevin for EK - that should put things in perspective.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

EK was offered a fair contract but it didn’t matter, he was never playing for Melnyk. People underestimate the bad blood there. It’s all on Melnyk but it wasn’t a money issue.

Wasn't it confirmed there wasn't any trade protection included in Ottawa's offer?

EK said specifically in the interview after the trade that he assumed they would have just traded him had he signed.

I wouldn't dispute the issue came down more to Melnyk disdain considering what happened to Alfie and the relationship they had, but I think we can all agree that isn't a real offer if that was the case. No player would sign an 8 year deal without any assurances of not being traded after being in the rumor mill from the teams doing for a year and a half, rather contentiously brought about at that.

 

[Hale The Villain]

The irony of the thread title just kicked in for me

We got out of that contract

By luck mostly. We apparently offered a fair contract at the time - 10M x 8YRs - but Karlsson wanted no part of re-signing here.

While trading the best player this franchise has ever had definitely hurt, we were fortunate he decided to leave.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

The irony of the thread title just kicked in for me

We got out of that contract

We wouldn’t trade Klevin for EK - that should put things in perspective.

I genuinely don't understand this. we're gonna end up paying brady like 8 million over 8 years. it'd be crazy to prefer Brady at 8 mill over karlsson at 11. the gap in skill and ability is massive and more than justifies the 3 mill difference.

i mean imagine adding Karlsson to our current roster. Stutzle- Karlsson-Chabot is a core that would have us competitive by next year.

 

[JD1]

By luck mostly. We apparently offered a fair contract at the time - 10M x 8YRs - but Karlsson wanted no part of re-signing here.

While trading the best player this franchise has ever had definitely hurt, we were fortunate he decided to leave.

But but but i thought because we didn't offer him a no trade clause it wasn't really a real offer

 

[Sweatred]

I genuinely don't understand this. we're gonna end up paying brady like 8 million over 8 years. it'd be crazy to prefer Brady at 8 mill over karlsson at 11. the gap in skill and ability is massive and more than justifies the 3 mill difference.

i mean imagine adding Karlsson to our current roster. Stutzle- Karlsson-Chabot is a core that would have us competitive by next year.

But in two years when the Depth of the team is strong that $11.5 would be more and more of a boat anchor.

EK, Vlasic, and Burns sure didn’t make them competitive...

 

[GCK]

Wasn't it confirmed there wasn't any trade protection included in Ottawa's offer?

EK said specifically in the interview after the trade that he assumed they would have just traded him had he signed.

I wouldn't dispute the issue came down more to Melnyk disdain considering what happened to Alfie and the relationship they had, but I think we can all agree that isn't a real offer if that was the case. No player would sign an 8 year deal without any assurances of not being traded after being in the rumor mill from the teams doing for a year and a half, rather contentiously brought about at that.

I’ve heard that but I can tell you even if they put trade protection into the offer EK wouldn’t have signed it. Dorion knew EK wasn’t going to sign no matter what. It was pure theatre from both sides from TDL until the trade.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

When Karlsson was here he played like the 11.5 million dollar price tag he carries now.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

I’ve heard that but I can tell you even if they put trade protection into the offer EK wouldn’t have signed it. Dorion knew EK wasn’t going to sign no matter what. It was pure theatre from both sides from TDL until the trade.

I think there’s a little bit of truth to that. I think both sides went away stinging a little bit.

 

[GCK]

I genuinely don't understand this. we're gonna end up paying brady like 8 million over 8 years. it'd be crazy to prefer Brady at 8 mill over karlsson at 11. the gap in skill and ability is massive and more than justifies the 3 mill difference.

i mean imagine adding Karlsson to our current roster. Stutzle- Karlsson-Chabot is a core that would have us competitive by next year.

Let’s see if we can win with Brady leading the way. Karlsson was great here for the most part but he’s had some horrific injuries and he is going to age. At least he got paid.

 

[JD1]

I’ve heard that but I can tell you even if they put trade protection into the offer EK wouldn’t have signed it. Dorion knew EK wasn’t going to sign no matter what. It was pure theatre from both sides from TDL until the trade.

I said on here a few times

Both sides got what they wanted

 

[playasRus]

I genuinely don't understand this. we're gonna end up paying brady like 8 million over 8 years. it'd be crazy to prefer Brady at 8 mill over karlsson at 11. the gap in skill and ability is massive and more than justifies the 3 mill difference.

i mean imagine adding Karlsson to our current roster. Stutzle- Karlsson-Chabot is a core that would have us competitive by next year.

I'd compare Brady at 8 x 8 to EK at 6.5 x 7. Although I think Brady at 8x8 is a bit of an overpay. Guy should get more of an 7 million x 8 years. In that Hischier level of contract. Or a bridge worth less than the older Tkachuk e.g. 3yr x 6.5 million.

Note that I do think there is a skill gap between Brady and EK and would much rather pay Brady 6.5 x 3 as a show me and 10 mil in the future if he's worth it. Major difference in signing either x 8 years is that Brady will be closer to an 8 mil player in 4 years, than EK will be an 11 mil player. And the gap at that point will be favouring Brady significantly.

 

[DJB]

Karlsson was never going to sign here. It wasn't happening with the current ownership group.

I suppose its the one time I'm happy Melnyk is the owner.

 

[Sun God Nika]

Karlsson was never going to sign here. It wasn't happening with the current ownership group.

I suppose its the one time I'm happy Melnyk is the owner.

Same, so happy we have an owner like Eugene to avoid paying guys like EK, Stone, Duchene, Turris, Dzingel, Zibanejad, Hoffman, and Pageau.

we might never get to see a good player play their career here and retire a sen regardless if their contract will be bad or good.

 

[DJB]

Same, so happy we have an owner like Eugene to avoid paying guys like EK, Stone, Duchene, Turris, Dzingel, Zibanejad, Hoffman, and Pageau.

we might never get to see a good player play their career here and retire a sen regardless if their contract will be bad or good.

I'm not defending Melnyk. I can't stand the man.

But the reality of our situation is we are a budget team. That means that Karlsson contract would not only be immovable but absolutely crippling.

I prefer to have hope we can do well and improve instead of watching an aging washed up player who's not even half the player he used to be finish up his career here and enjoy the "nostalgia" of it.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

Same, so happy we have an owner like Eugene to avoid paying guys like EK, Stone, Duchene, Turris, Dzingel, Zibanejad, Hoffman, and Pageau.

we might never get to see a good player play their career here and retire a sen regardless if their contract will be bad or good.

Lol dzingel

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I’ve heard that but I can tell you even if they put trade protection into the offer EK wouldn’t have signed it. Dorion knew EK wasn’t going to sign no matter what. It was pure theatre from both sides from TDL until the trade.

I think that could check out based on what we saw out of both parties.

I don't know what to make of it all at this point other than acknowledging that it was handled poorly either way. Dorion is either a wolf in sheep's clothing, or he just couldn't get anyone to sign the multitude of offers he put forward, or the situation with EK was unique to the others and it was a combination of both.

 

[SensFactor]

Same, so happy we have an owner like Eugene to avoid paying guys like EK, Stone, Duchene, Turris, Dzingel, Zibanejad, Hoffman, and Pageau.

we might never get to see a good player play their career here and retire a sen regardless if their contract will be bad or good.

To be honest I'm happy we didn't sign Duchene, Dzingel, Hoffman, Turris. Stone & Pageau hurts. Zibanejad definitely looks horrible now but at the time you could argue that he was having mediocre success with the Sens.

 

[Leafmealone11]

Same, so happy we have an owner like Eugene to avoid paying guys like EK, Stone, Duchene, Turris, Dzingel, Zibanejad, Hoffman, and Pageau.

we might never get to see a good player play their career here and retire a sen regardless if their contract will be bad or good.

Yep the group of stars and hero types that sucked and couldn't make the playoffs. They had crap results and moving on was needed money or not the unknown if 8th or last would be the results each year was just poor results.
Hell Stone and EK would have this team 4 million over cap without Brady getting a raise without Stutz on the books, the salary structure of the NHL needs to change.

 

[Sweatred]

we might never get to see a good player play their career here and retire a sen regardless if their contract will be bad or good.

You can’t have overpaid retirement contracts that compensate for our weather, taxes, and culture and have competitive teams. Brady and Stutzle didn’t grow up dreaming of playing hockey in Ottawa, when they get a chance they will probably leave unless we pay them enough to give up their dreams.

 

[BatherSeason]

Yep the group of stars and hero types that sucked and couldn't make the playoffs.

2017 ECF and Conn Smythe run on one leg. Cant have that guy here, he acts "like a hero".

 

[BatherSeason]

This team traded their captain, something that is definitely not a standard operating procedure for NHL clubs. Three times we have walked away from a player that was our captain. Its unprecedented really, but I guess Dorion and Melnyk are just that much smarter than everyone.

 

[Sweatred]

This team traded their captain, something that is definitely not a standard operating procedure for NHL clubs. Three times we have walked away from a player that was our captain. Its unprecedented really, but I guess Dorion and Melnyk are just that much smarter than everyone.

Hey .... You are absolutely right about that ! Paying “captains” like EK, Towes, Tavares etc $11.5+ for years as their hair turns grey might be a cozy idea for the fans that bought a $200 jersey 4 years ago but does nothing to ice a competitive franchise.