The bruins have been grooming JFJ for a few years now.... sometimes you can find success in the strangest of circumstance.
What changes next year?
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IF players can't handle the pressure of winning the series when up 3-1. I don't think I want these players playing for the Leafs. There will always be pressure in the playoffs bc it is the playoffs.
Captain Crunch
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Probably not, but his infamous quote, “We can, and we will!” definitely did not help the negotiations. It was more like Dubas handing them a blank cheque and saying, “Help yourselves, gentlemen!”
Put those players and any other team in Toronto that has been assembled in the last 50 years and I could guarantee that they would’ve had a cup by now.
Millions of people critique your every move. It’s a lot of pressure. But maybe if the leaf fans and media were not putting on pressure like other cities and expect so much becuse of a half century of failures the team might be more successful
Cubs and Redsox fans and medias.
There is pressure to win any where esp if the team got the talents. IF this current Leafs team is in Arizona, do you think they will have less pressure to win? If Mack is goalless is 18 playoff games, do you think he wont feel the pressure bc he plays in Denver?
Seriously, players need to be accountable when they failed to deliver.
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My unsaid point was that trading Marner will be too challenging compounded by the fact Dubas loves him. Assuming you don't retain, the market is so tiny for him. I don't see it happening.
Looks look at team like Dallas that has won a cup In recent history and they are number four In terms of popularity. What kind of pressure does Benn or Seguin have compared to Matthews Marner. Not even close.
Yes they should deal with it but it is an easy especially for a 22 23 24-year-old.
Yes they’re supposed to score in the playoffs. But why is it that there is only two out of the whole team getting slack when there’s only three or four players actually tried.
We’re is the attacking Simmonds who didn’t do his job? To me that’s an issue the Simmons wasn’t roughing it up and from the net and allowing the hubs to do whatever they want. Bogosian same thing.Reilly? Etc etc.
Where is the attacking on Keefe who didn’t hold them responsible.
But everyone is attacking Marner. The same way they did with Gardiner phaneif and someone else every other year.
First of all, Simmonds is a role player on the team. Bogo is our bottom pairing Dman. Lets me put it this way, if my sales team failed to land a deal, I will get all the crap bc it is my team and I am also byfar the highest paid person on the team. Nobody will blame my assistant or my reception for not doing enough. Heck, even if it was a mistake cause by someone on my team, I will still get the crap for not double checking everything, bc I am the leader of the team and also being the highest paid.
Secondly, I am not sure what you had been reading, but at least to me, most here are saying Marner, AM, Keefe and Dubas are all accountable for this failure to advance again.
Thirdly, in terms of pressure, if you can't handle it, then you really should not be playing. All players on contenders have pressure. The moment that the team got good enough talents to challenge for the Cup, there will be pressure. Don't use pressure as an excuse, bc they(the whole team) seem to be fine in Game 1, 2, 3, and 4. Like I said, if they can't handle the pressure, it means they choke and just not championship materials.
Lastly, stop making excuses for the players, it is time for them to be accountable.
Leafs need a hard nosed coach that will push this team hard and hold the players accountable. This is the first need. The second need is they are built far too much on finness and that doesn't win Cups. They need a line that is big and goes out and bangs real hard to compliment The finess lines. They have two lines that can score, they need that third checking line and that fourth line that goes out and punishes the oppenent, wears them down. This team doesn't hit anybody.
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Yes Simmonds and Bogosian are role players who didn’t play their role. Clear the net and use your body. They didn’t they are accountable just as much as Marner and Matthews. Simmonds and Bogosian were brought in as leaders and did not lead by example.
Secondly if you read my original post it was in defense of Dubas who this year addressed the needs from last year. Lol.
Thirdly. I knew that when montreal won game five that the pressure is “too much” and montreal would come back because of the pressure to win In Toronto is too much.
I dont care who you are. When a team hasn’t won a cup in 50 years in the Mecca where everyone expects a cup or they are virtually failures is really hard to do.
Maybe if the leaf fans and media would ease up and take some of the pressure of the kids then maybe this team would have success.
Let’s be honest. This isn’t one series that they are taking out on Marner. It is 50 years of failure and he is taking it all. It’s not his fault this team has been terrible for 50 years. Idiots talking about trading him. Once again a 7 game scapegoat for a century of garbage.
And I never said players shouldnt be accountable. But it isn’t just Marners fault that 19 other players stunk and this team hasn’t had success in a lifetime. Hold the team accountable. This is exactly the same shit that goes on every year. They Pick someone to blame
The reason I am not a fan is because of management failures for 50 years. I didn’t blame Reimer when the management didn’t address the defense. I blamed the management.
This is the first year in forever that a GM actually addressed the needs.
Idiot fans keep supporting the garbage and blaming players. Mostly one player. Like Gardiner. The amount of people that blamed Gardiner for those five goals against Boston when 1 maybe two were his fault. They want to blame someone and still fifty years later keep spending money and supporting mediocre hockey.
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Simmonds and Bogo were fine. Bogo was one of our top Dman. IF you were expecting BOGO to score and play like Hedman, thats not going to happen. Simmonds disappointed but he is a role player, Marner and AM are the STARS. Look at what Simmonds did in the regular season and look at him in the playoffs, his play was pretty much the same. Can you honestly say the same thing about Marner and AM, that their regular season play is the same as in playoffs?
Stop saying pressure is too much for the Leafs. Thats complete BS, as there is pressure every where and Montreal is not Columbus, their medias is worst than TO. To say that Habs had no pressure in Game 5,6,and 7 or even less pressure than the Leafs is just wrong.
Marner and AM didn't deliver and if JT actually played and ended up with the same stats as them, he will be called out too bc they are the leaders of the team and also being paid the highest.
People are crapping on Sandin and Dermott for their mistakes too but at the same time, none of them are expected to lead the team.
Talentwise this team is top 5 in the league but collectively something is missing and it has very little with pressure from the City and its fans.
What do you expect the medias and the fans to react after playing the way Marner did? Oh, poor Marner, if only Hyman can score and refs called all those hooking penalties, Marner would have done well. Also if only the glass was 10 feet higher, it won't be delay of game penalties. Come on, Leafsnation is the most passionate fan base in the World of Sports. If you do well, we love you, if you do bad, we boo you. It is as simple as that.
I wasn’t expecting them to be stars. I was expecting them to clear the next and be the physical presence that was non existent throughout the playoffs especially after they were brought in for that reason.
Your last line “if you do well we love you, if you do bad we don’t”. Exactly my point.
This kid went from hero to zero in seven games. It’s all his fault. 50 years of anger built up and taken out on marner. I think the fans are a big issue as well. They are desperate for a cup.
We can just agree to disagree.
You can continue to support the same garbage year in and year out.
I’ll continue to not support them.
Why not try to read the posts leading up to that. The poster I responded to said Dubas's drafting had been "lights out". I just pointed out that wasn't so; certainly to date.
Bogo did his job and played well for what he is. Simmonds is Simmonds. If you want to say the bottom six didn’t deliver and that’s why Marner and AM failed too, that’s fine.
That’s sports, it happens in any city, any sports, any where in the World.
I am not even 50 yrs old, so I don’t have 50 yrs of frustration.
Marner, AM and Keefe deserves every single bit of criticism bc they were bad.
It has been three years in a row of not getting it done, the core needs to retool, look at the Avs, their Big 4 were Lands, Mack, ROR and Duchense and now their Big Four are Lands, Mack, Makar and Rantanen.
Also it quite insulting to suggest someone supporting garbage bc they want their teams to WIN.
I said it before and I will say it again, I could careless if AM, Marner or anyone win all the individual trophies bc the only one that matter is the Cup. If the players is not a fit to help the team wins the Cup or can’t handle the pressure of the playoffs, they should not be playing for contenders.
Poor Mitch may end up at the end of the bench in a fetal position if they ever made it to the final 4
Stone hands. We need guys that finish in the playoffs when they have chances. ND might have won last night if he finished half his glorious chances.
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This was a unique year and opportunity. Alot of businesses, sports news, networks and sponsors are going to take a bath for the Leafs poor eight years of playoff failure. I'm not confident that this team can get out of this Cap mess.[/QUOTE]
The one thing Dubas did do was pay a lot up front for the big boys and as a result if he wanted to he could easily get out of cap hell by trading 1,2 or 3 of the amigos. They are all easily tradable. He did give himself an escape route if he chooses to.
This was a unique year and opportunity. Alot of businesses, sports news, networks and sponsors are going to take a bath for the Leafs poor eight years of playoff failure. I'm not confident that this team can get out of this Cap mess.[/QUOTE]
The one thing Dubas did do was pay a lot up front for the big boys and as a result if he wanted to he could easily get out of cap hell by trading 1,2 or 3 of the amigos. They are all easily tradable. He did give himself an escape route if he chooses to.
Did he though? The team needed grit and to be harder to play against. So a heavily declining Simmonds and a 41 yr old slow Thornton checked that box?
My stomach got all tight and my blood pressure went up while reading this....please for the love of mankind...noooooooo.
