Music: What Are You Listening To Part 5

[cupcrazyman]

 

[TNT87]

 

[peate]

 

[beowulf]

 

[beowulf]

 

[ItsFineImFine]

I think one of the better voices in modern rock is Kelly Jones of Welsh singer Stereophonics. They aren't exactly my favourite band so I forget that as I don't listen to them a lot but his raspy voice is really perfect for guitar driven arena rock especially back in the 90s on their debut album.

 

[Sentinel]

 

[PANARIN BREAD FAN]

 

[illegalsmile]

Inspired by the above Thin Lizzy "Peel Session" selection.

Here's to you, John.

 

[SabrePL]

Alien Weaponry.
New Zealand band. They play thrash metal and sing in Maori (mostly) and english.
Kids are teenagers but play like veterans of heavy metal.

Imo their best song:


And try polish band Mgła if you like black metal. Don't worry guys, they sing english:

 

[World of Ice]

So good.

 

[Chimpradamus]

Why do you think this angelic singer is pressured to making a small cover of the old classic "You're the voice" for a Swedish TV show and you've never heard of her? And she absolutely crushes it, as a cover!

But, she's basically blowing any world class artist today out of the sky with her power, feeling, technique, physique, emotion and talent. I wonder why? She's a siren.


This is some of the best singing I've ever heard. She crushes anything from any market. Yet unheard of. Hmm, wonder why?

Loreen is part Berber (culture in Morocco) and part Swedish. Her original culture believes in the power of healing through singing. And I as a Swede can feel that she tries that. She gives it all.

And basically 95% of you have never heard of her.

 

[illegalsmile]

Why do you think this angelic singer is pressured to making a small cover of the old classic "You're the voice" for a Swedish TV show and you've never heard of her? And she absolutely crushes it, as a cover!

But, she's basically blowing any world class artist today out of the sky with her power, feeling, technique, physique, emotion and talent. I wonder why? She's a siren.


This is some of the best singing I've ever heard. She crushes anything from any market. Yet unheard of. Hmm, wonder why?

Loreen is part Berber (culture in Morocco) and part Swedish. Her original culture believes in the power of healing through singing. And I as a Swede can feel that she tries that. She gives it all.

And basically 95% of you have never heard of her.

Jesus! It's like listening to Enya...

I think I still prefer Billy Holiday, Etta James and Joplin.

Anyway, what's your theory for her lack of popularity??

 

[illegalsmile]

 

[TheGreenTBer]

 

[Chimpradamus]

Jesus! It's like listening to Enya...

I think I still prefer Billy Holiday, Etta James and Joplin.

Anyway, what's your theory for her lack of popularity??

Enya?! Holy hell. You compare her to the average music of the car radio and what do you say? Enya is nobody compared to her strength.

My theory is she's a world class singer - vibrato, strength, soft vibrations, she got it all - that doesn't have a US music contract making her world famous. She doesn't have the dough behind her in marketing. So many, many mediocre US singers being "world artists" just because of their marketing and skimpy outfits. So much musical trash ahead of the actual singing talent of the world. It's honestly disgusting.

You want another genre, how about this? A soft song, live...


Or a song in her native language in south reggae style?


Or a dark song in her native language? World class.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVpy2gHaHr0

Or dark soul song for English speakers?


She does it all. Enya, naw. Loreen is a siren. She can do it all. Maybe her arabic wailing technique is offputting to the US market so nobody bets on her. I find the singers mastering the most cultural singing techniques the absolute best. Like her. I think it's splendid when you understand she sings for healing of all through her tradition from Morocco. That makes her an absolute trooper being a citizen of my country (Sweden). She thinks just like us.

She is a master. Yet no one knows who she is. She is well known in Europe, but not in the world. I wonder why?

 

[DNE3]

france

 

[DNE3]

hamburg germany

 

[illegalsmile]

Enya?! Holy hell. You compare her to the average music of the car radio and what do you say? Enya is nobody compared to her strength.

My theory is she's a world class singer - vibrato, strength, soft vibrations, she got it all - that doesn't have a US music contract making her world famous. She doesn't have the dough behind her in marketing. So many, many mediocre US singers being "world artists" just because of their marketing and skimpy outfits. So much musical trash ahead of the actual singing talent of the world. It's honestly disgusting.

You want another genre, how about this? A soft song, live...


Or a song in her native language in south reggae style?


Or a dark song in her native language? World class.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVpy2gHaHr0

Or dark soul song for English speakers?


She does it all. Enya, naw. Loreen is a siren. She can do it all. Maybe her arabic wailing technique is offputting to the US market so nobody bets on her. I find the singers mastering the most cultural singing techniques the absolute best. Like her. I think it's splendid when you understand she sings for healing of all through her tradition from Morocco. That makes her an absolute trooper being a citizen of my country (Sweden). She thinks just like us.

She is a master. Yet no one knows who she is. She is well known in Europe, but not in the world. I wonder why?

Dude, seriously, I'm not saying you're wrong. I mean, taste in music is arbitrary, it just comes down to opinion, after all...

But, honestly, she is painful to listen to, she has no depth and her voice isn't 100% natural. I'm not trying to suggest she can't sing, I'm saying all three of those songs, in your last comment, basically sound the same with the tweeking that has been performed on her voice. She seriously does not sound good, her voice is just grating, even the "live" performance isn't raw, there's an echo-chamber delay used on the microphone.

In my opinion, her music just sounds like something you'd hear from the winner of a TV talent show, especially with all the sound filters that have been added in post-record. Her music sounds like any of the other millions of pop songs, where the "artist" relies on over-dubs, delays and echo chambers to emphasize their voice. Honestly, give me Billy Holiday, or Bessie Smith any day, those ladies have soul, feeling and range to their voices. Their vibrato isn't added later on, with the push of a button. Strange Fruit by Billy Holiday is vastly credited as the catalyst that sparked off the Civil Rights Movement in the US, That's a voice that gets shit done! That's soul! Your girl's "wailing" technique is common in Celtic and Nordic music, so I don't think you can call it off-putting to an American market, when it's a familiar style. Personally, I think, maybe, the reason she isn't well-known, worldwide, is because there isn't anything to her that sets her apart from thousands of others.

... But, hey, that's, like, just my opinion, man.

 

[Mikeaveli]

Why do you think this angelic singer is pressured to making a small cover of the old classic "You're the voice" for a Swedish TV show and you've never heard of her? And she absolutely crushes it, as a cover!

But, she's basically blowing any world class artist today out of the sky with her power, feeling, technique, physique, emotion and talent. I wonder why? She's a siren.


This is some of the best singing I've ever heard. She crushes anything from any market. Yet unheard of. Hmm, wonder why?

Loreen is part Berber (culture in Morocco) and part Swedish. Her original culture believes in the power of healing through singing. And I as a Swede can feel that she tries that. She gives it all.

And basically 95% of you have never heard of her.

I remember you making a thread about the same topic. She has videos with millions of views, which automatically makes her more popular than 99.999% of musicians out there. I really don't see an issue with her level of popularity.

 

[Xelebes]

Dude, seriously, I'm not saying you're wrong. I mean, taste in music is arbitrary, it just comes down to opinion, after all...

But, honestly, she is painful to listen to, she has no depth and her voice isn't 100% natural. I'm not trying to suggest she can't sing, I'm saying all three of those songs, in your last comment, basically sound the same with the tweeking that has been performed on her voice. She seriously does not sound good, her voice is just grating, even the "live" performance isn't raw, there's an echo-chamber delay used on the microphone.

In my opinion, her music just sounds like something you'd hear from the winner of a TV talent show, especially with all the sound filters that have been added in post-record. Her music sounds like any of the other millions of pop songs, where the "artist" relies on over-dubs, delays and echo chambers to emphasize their voice. Honestly, give me Billy Holiday, or Bessie Smith any day, those ladies have soul, feeling and range to their voices. Their vibrato isn't added later on, with the push of a button. Strange Fruit by Billy Holiday is vastly credited as the catalyst that sparked off the Civil Rights Movement in the US, That's a voice that gets shit done! That's soul! Your girl's "wailing" technique is common in Celtic and Nordic music, so I don't think you can call it off-putting to an American market, when it's a familiar style. Personally, I think, maybe, the reason she isn't well-known, worldwide, is because there isn't anything to her that sets her apart from thousands of others.

... But, hey, that's, like, just my opinion, man.

My only issue with the comparisons to older artists is that they used all the chintzy techniques they could to make those singers sound good. If you tried to listen to them live, you would realise how middling they sound. PErhaps your biggest issue is with the fads of today more than the quality of the singer.

 

[illegalsmile]

My only issue with the comparisons to older artists is that they used all the chintzy techniques they could to make those singers sound good. If you tried to listen to them live, you would realise how middling they sound. PErhaps your biggest issue is with the fads of today more than the quality of the singer.

Haha, nah... My biggest issue with her, is, in my opinion, she doesn't sound good.

The "chintzy" techniques? Are you referring to the Piano...?




Or perhaps the live band, behind Etta James?



These ladies are doing it with all they've got, naturally.

"If you tried to listen to them live..." I mean, seriously, in the case of older artists, singing live was their bread and butter, they had to sound good, or they'd be booed off and never get a gig again... Or, in the case of Billy Holiday, threatened with her life.

I don't know if those chintzy techniques you're referring to are overdubs, (you don't really specify...), in which case, yes, they did exist and have been used since the nineteen-twenties. RCA Records were one of the first, but, this was overdubbing, or "layering," instruments, that were not readily available to them, in the studio, at the time. Due to there not being enough competent studio musicians to go around. Producers would record a musician prior, or post recording of a song and layer the instrument('s) over the top. The singers voice would remain unchanged. Also, it came down to pride with a lot of older singers, they simply wouldn't allow their voices to be altered. Even in a time when it was possible to completely filter an artists voice beyond it's natural range, most didn't believe in it. They came from a generation who did it out of a passion, not as an easy route to fame and fortune. A great deal of them barely saw a penny through their lifetimes and, as a result, they took pride in what they did have, their voice and natural ability.

By "fads," I'm not sure if you might mean "novelty," because fads, in music, generally speaking, are never just fads. Punk was a "fad," but, in one form, or another, it's still around. Fads tend to just become another facet of music, or even the norm, in some cases. The lady in question here, Loreen, for example, I wouldn't call her a fad, she belongs to a part of musical culture that has evolved from older singers. That evolution has seen the use of "special effects," on a singers voice, become more and more prevalent. This has less to do with the actual song, or singer and more to do with the industry itself. Appreciation of ability and talent has taken a backseat to "Let's see how much money we can make of this disposable person, before we move onto the next." Music nowadays, isn't at the forefront of people's minds in the same way it used to be. Due to the higher amount of social distractions, a great deal of society has become less picky about the quality of music, or, at least, less picky about how high they set their own personal bar, when looking for quality. This isn't, necessarily, a bad thing, if there are people who enjoy it, (for whatever reason), then fine. Personally though, it's a sound I can't get with, or really have any appreciation for.

 

[Chimpradamus]

Dude, seriously, I'm not saying you're wrong. I mean, taste in music is arbitrary, it just comes down to opinion, after all...

But, honestly, she is painful to listen to, she has no depth and her voice isn't 100% natural. I'm not trying to suggest she can't sing, I'm saying all three of those songs, in your last comment, basically sound the same with the tweeking that has been performed on her voice. She seriously does not sound good, her voice is just grating, even the "live" performance isn't raw, there's an echo-chamber delay used on the microphone.

In my opinion, her music just sounds like something you'd hear from the winner of a TV talent show, especially with all the sound filters that have been added in post-record. Her music sounds like any of the other millions of pop songs, where the "artist" relies on over-dubs, delays and echo chambers to emphasize their voice. Honestly, give me Billy Holiday, or Bessie Smith any day, those ladies have soul, feeling and range to their voices. Their vibrato isn't added later on, with the push of a button. Strange Fruit by Billy Holiday is vastly credited as the catalyst that sparked off the Civil Rights Movement in the US, That's a voice that gets shit done! That's soul! Your girl's "wailing" technique is common in Celtic and Nordic music, so I don't think you can call it off-putting to an American market, when it's a familiar style. Personally, I think, maybe, the reason she isn't well-known, worldwide, is because there isn't anything to her that sets her apart from thousands of others.

... But, hey, that's, like, just my opinion, man.

I remember you making a thread about the same topic. She has videos with millions of views, which automatically makes her more popular than 99.999% of musicians out there. I really don't see an issue with her level of popularity.

To each of their own, sure. I just find so much greatness in her ways of using so many singing techniques in her repertoire. Stronger than most top 10 charts today. Add her emotion for what she sings. I think that's unique enough, but you digress. That's fine. She's got soul and power. That's why I think she's so incredibly underrated. You think she sounds too artificial? Compared to 90% of all world artists today she uses some echo, not much autotune. You think her wailing is autotune. It's not. It's Berber wailing. That's her greatness.

For the record, I'm mostly a classical and metal fan. I still love her artistry. It's so clean to me. You can feel her emotions through her music.

 

[Xelebes]

Haha, nah... My biggest issue with her, is, in my opinion, she doesn't sound good.

The "chintzy" techniques? Are you referring to the Piano...?




Or perhaps the live band, behind Etta James?



These ladies are doing it with all they've got, naturally.

"If you tried to listen to them live..." I mean, seriously, in the case of older artists, singing live was their bread and butter, they had to sound good, or they'd be booed off and never get a gig again... Or, in the case of Billy Holiday, threatened with her life.

I don't know if those chintzy techniques you're referring to are overdubs, (you don't really specify...), in which case, yes, they did exist and have been used since the nineteen-twenties. RCA Records were one of the first, but, this was overdubbing, or "layering," instruments, that were not readily available to them, in the studio, at the time. Due to there not being enough competent studio musicians to go around. Producers would record a musician prior, or post recording of a song and layer the instrument('s) over the top. The singers voice would remain unchanged. Also, it came down to pride with a lot of older singers, they simply wouldn't allow their voices to be altered. Even in a time when it was possible to completely filter an artists voice beyond it's natural range, most didn't believe in it. They came from a generation who did it out of a passion, not as an easy route to fame and fortune. A great deal of them barely saw a penny through their lifetimes and, as a result, they took pride in what they did have, their voice and natural ability.

By "fads," I'm not sure if you might mean "novelty," because fads, in music, generally speaking, are never just fads. Punk was a "fad," but, in one form, or another, it's still around. Fads tend to just become another facet of music, or even the norm, in some cases. The lady in question here, Loreen, for example, I wouldn't call her a fad, she belongs to a part of musical culture that has evolved from older singers. That evolution has seen the use of "special effects," on a singers voice, become more and more prevalent. This has less to do with the actual song, or singer and more to do with the industry itself. Appreciation of ability and talent has taken a backseat to "Let's see how much money we can make of this disposable person, before we move onto the next." Music nowadays, isn't at the forefront of people's minds in the same way it used to be. Due to the higher amount of social distractions, a great deal of society has become less picky about the quality of music, or, at least, less picky about how high they set their own personal bar, when looking for quality. This isn't, necessarily, a bad thing, if there are people who enjoy it, (for whatever reason), then fine. Personally though, it's a sound I can't get with, or really have any appreciation for.

You don't know what is going on with the use of microphone selection, microphone positioning, compression, overdrive, tape-warming and saturation, studio environment can all greatly affect and manipulate the sound of their voices. It is not all pureness of their sound.

The more important distinction is that this artist is making a living in Sweden and making music for the Swedish market. Therefore, she will have her success in Sweden, appealing to Swedish ears who have certain expectations. Which is to say, it is going to sound very odd if you are expecting blues and r&b that comes from America. Swedish stuff is most likely never going to satisfy it and black singers are going to have to innovate to make their living in Sweden. Just like black singers in Canada had to innovate, and thus deviate from from American expectations.

 

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