What’s going on with Zegras?

[frederixx]

He is at best going to be a Mike Ribeiro type guy - high end offense but soft and lazy. Unfortunately, he is looking to be worse than Mike, but he has a long career still left ahead.

A criminal?

Anyway, i wouldn't want that kind a player around my guys. While i do believe he could be effective in regular season, i wouldn't bet on him comes the playoffs. Unless you have above average size top 6 to surround him with.

 

[Eegs]

Might be getting close to time for a 'change of scenery' type deal.

Obviously skilled player that might succeed more in a different environment.

 

[BonMorrison]

The nothing incident that was blown out of proportion by online lip readers?

makes u think

 

[VivaLasVegas]

WTF? I've known you as a poster for years and had no idea you were also a Ducks fan.

Yeah, during my SoCal days I had a business partner who had season tickets to the Ducks during the good years and so began to follow them, which was my introduction to the NHL.

 

[Mr Rogers]

He is at best going to be a Mike Ribeiro type guy - high end offense but soft and lazy. Unfortunately, he is looking to be worse than Mike, but he has a long career still left ahead.

He isn't lazy at all. Everything they've asked him to work on he's had a good attitude about and attempted to improve. Now, he is lacking still in strength and is often overpowered by other players and doesn't always succeed, whether it's offensively or defensively.

and he's a much better person than Ribeiro ever was. Zegs is apparently great to all the team staff and people who work at the arena. you aren't probably comparing their personalities but Ribeiro's personality is kind of inherent in any comparison with him. he isn't who comes to mind for me.

 

[Connor McConnor]

Eh, I think in the right situation he coulda hit EP sorta peaks, but obviously that hype train has run into its own issues.

But ya, I think he was allowed to free wheel a bit, then got asked to play an all-around game and has just struggled with both aspects since. He was hurt last year, but the production has been decreasing regardless. Hope he can turn it around, fun player and it’d be a cool example of how you can “skill it up” and still do all the requisite little things.

The difference being EP is actually a 2-way player so even when he's not scoring he's not a net negative out there, just overpaid. Zegras is purely one dimensional. Maybe they should try moving him to the wing?

 

[heynowbababooey]

It's not just zegras. Cronin has sucked the creativity out of all our young players.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

The difference being EP is actually a 2-way player so even when he's not scoring he's not a net negative out there, just overpaid. Zegras is purely one dimensional. Maybe they should try moving him to the wing?

He’s mostly been playing wing all season, he looks much more comfortable at center… yesterday was his first game at center

https://x.com/i/web/status/1851507509028405274

 

[StreetHawk]

The top end players seem to do better. Gifted top line and top PP must help the motivation. That and the team will get them help.

It's the depth players that seem to struggle. Bunch of players that could/should be effective 2nd line player just fall off the development curve.

As long as the top end guys are mature. It's always hardest on the early draft picks of the rebuild as they endure the most losing. Have to be mature enough to work on your game despite putting up points on a bad team. At some point, the results of the games will matter and you don't want to be the one giving up cheap goals because you didn't learn to play a more complete game.

Zegras was the first guy they drafted since they started missing the PO in 2019. Drysdale, Tracey, Perreault from the 2019/2020 drafts in round 1 are already gone from the franchise.

It's not just zegras. Cronin has sucked the creativity out of all our young players.

Then that's on Verbeek as Cronin was his hire.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

As long as the top end guys are mature. It's always hardest on the early draft picks of the rebuild as they endure the most losing. Have to be mature enough to work on your game despite putting up points on a bad team. At some point, the results of the games will matter and you don't want to be the one giving up cheap goals because you didn't learn to play a more complete game.

Zegras was the first guy they drafted since they started missing the PO in 2019. Drysdale, Tracey, Perreault from the 2019/2020 drafts in round 1 are already gone from the franchise.


Then that's on Verbeek as Cronin was his hire.

Won’t find anyone disagreeing with any of this.

As for Cronin, 100% on verbeek…. And it’s clearly an issue, no structure on offense or defense or special teams.

I think Anaheim needs to go with a vet coach, that can get the room… cause right now Cronin looks as lost as the team looks trying to play his system

 

[qc14]

Classic case of a "somebody has to score the points" guy on a truly awful team (see Granlund in SJS)

He's in a weird spot with Anaheim where they have enough better players to prevent him from getting the usage he did his first couple of seasons but also nowhere near enough that they can give him a more manageable/sheltered role as an offensive 3c. Think he could probably do a good job for a contender there but not Anaheim

 

[HanSolo]

It's not just zegras. Cronin has sucked the creativity out of all our young players.

Well. Except for Terry and Carlsson. Telling that the only ones who haven't been suppressed are the only ones producing.

 

[HanSolo]

Won’t find anyone disagreeing with any of this.

As for Cronin, 100% on verbeek…. And it’s clearly an issue, no structure on offense or defense or special teams.

I think Anaheim needs to go with a vet coach, that can get the room… cause right now Cronin looks as lost as the team looks trying to play his system

I mean it's just infuriating that the same Kings team that made the Ducks look like they have no idea how to play hockey lost to an SJ team that was on the back end of back to backs last night.

 

[CowbellConray]

He isn't lazy at all. Everything they've asked him to work on he's had a good attitude about and attempted to improve. Now, he is lacking still in strength and is often overpowered by other players and doesn't always succeed, whether it's offensively or defensively.

and he's a much better person than Ribeiro ever was. Zegs is apparently great to all the team staff and people who work at the arena. you aren't probably comparing their personalities but Ribeiro's personality is kind of inherent in any comparison with him. he isn't who comes to mind for me.

Yea, I'm certainly not comparing their personalities. Zegras seems like a good cali kid who just can't make his skills work to their full potential. Lazy is used in the context of not grinding enough on the boards and working hard enough on the backcheck and defensive refinement of his game to be a two way guy.

 

[ohcomeonref]

Imagine trying to hate other fans for Zegras being overhyped when your own username is based on the player lol. Ducks fans tried to talk this guy up as a superstar and he's not delivering, that lives with your fanbase sorry.

Link where he's been over hyped. Until then you're just making shit up.

 

[Frank Drebin]

I’m not sure how to interpret this. Are you referring to his hockey IQ (ie he’s all tools “skills” and no toolbox). Completely disagree if so. He’s a very bright player.

I’m thinking more like pavel barber

 

[Mr Rogers]

I’m thinking more like pavel barber

I guess we’ll see in a few years, but I just don’t think so. A lot of guys have non-linear development

 

[VeteranPresence]

Link where he's been over hyped. Until then you're just making shit up.

Would three links do it for you?

Zegras vs. Stutzle - A poll in which someone posting in this very thread about how not hyped Zegras is said it was "too close to call". In the time since that poll, Zegras has 82 points and Stutzle has 174.

Zegras vs. Suzuki - The same person who totally doesn't overhype him said "zegras pretty comfortably". Suzuki has 88 points in his last 92 games, Zegras has 17 in 40.

Quinn Hughes vs. Zegras - Another poll in which maybe the same person who claims that Zegras was on the cover of NHL 23 is the only reason he's overhyped used Zegras being on the cover of NHL 23 to argue he was the better player. Another poster proclaimed Zegras would be a top ten C within two years. I don't think I need to go into this.

 

[ohcomeonref]

Would three links do it for you?

Zegras vs. Stutzle - A poll in which someone posting in this very thread about how not hyped Zegras is said it was "too close to call". In the time since that poll, Zegras has 82 points and Stutzle has 174.

Zegras vs. Suzuki - The same person who totally doesn't overhype him said "zegras pretty comfortably". Suzuki has 88 points in his last 92 games, Zegras has 17 in 40.

Quinn Hughes vs. Zegras - Another poll in which maybe the same person who claims that Zegras was on the cover of NHL 23 is the only reason he's overhyped used Zegras being on the cover of NHL 23 to argue he was the better player. Another poster proclaimed Zegras would be a top ten C within two years. I don't think I need to go into this.

And yet nobody was over hyping Zegras here. You are using hindsight on things said a couple years ago like they were said yesterday and then getting upset about it. It would be funny if it wasn't so weird.

 

[VeteranPresence]

And yet nobody was over hyping Zegras here.

So proclaiming Zegras > a Norris winner, a 90 point C, and another near-PPG C isn't overhyping... man, if the player this thread is about was as committed to defense as you are, he might actually be an above-average NHL player.

 

[ohcomeonref]

So proclaiming Zegras > a Norris winner, a 90 point C, and another near-PPG C isn't overhyping... man, if the player this thread is about was as committed to defense as you are, he might actually be an above-average NHL player.

Again: you're using arguments from two years ago when Zs potential was sky high, two 60p seasons on a dumpster fire team. If you can't see why Z was being projected as a PPG top 10 C that's on you. Nobody has said that in a long time. People were just tracking his progression.

 

[TimeZone]

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