Post-Game Talk: We're only gonna need a moderately sized boat

[kovazub94]

We didn't have a serious chance in either series because we couldn't match up with the top talent

Or you can argue that they were not strong enough mentally unable to close TBL after going 2 up and having 2:0 lead in the middle of the 2nd, or failing to go up 3 wins vs FL.

 

[Machinehead]

I seem to remember a lot of "eh" years with Colorado and ups and down until it all came together. I don't think tehy were consistent cup contenders but I can't be assed to go look at things

Same with Tampa. Stamkos became a star but they didn't become real contenders until Kucherov came along. They had a good season in 2010-2011 but then missed the playoffs for two years before returning only to get swept by Montreal
It was really 2014-2015 when they got rolling as a real contender and that was 6 years after Stamkos was drafted (which coincided with Kucherov joining the team)

So? We're arguing semantics now. My point was that none of the teams drafting franchise forwards in the lottery became Buffalo except for Buffalo.

Franchise forwards in their prime are required but not sufficient to win championships.

We're not even meeting the requirement.

 

[Machinehead]

Or you can argue that they were not strong enough mentally unable to close TBL after going 2 up and having 2:0 lead in the middle of the 2nd, or failing to go up 3 wins vs FL.

You could be wrong if you want to, yes.

I'll grant you that they played well against Tampa in the first two games, but it doesn't matter because you have to win four. They couldn't touch the puck at 5v5 games 3-6. No amount of mental strength corrects getting your ass beat. Frankly, even if they close out game 3, I don't see how they avoid a reverse sweep.

The Florida series is barely worth addressing. They got outplayed in all six games and five of them weren't close.

 

[Levitate]

It doesn't necessarily have to be a top 10 pick. There are more top 10 picks who are nobodies than franchise talents. There's a huge luck element and it doesn't make sense to me to give up a bullet in the chamber for a 32 year old.

Do they still think they're gonna win within the next couple of years?

honestly? Yeah I think they do think that. I'm not saying I agree but I think Drury's plan here is to remake the team and keep pushing

I"m not saying it's a good plan, but I'm a liiiiiiiiiitle bit eh on giving up a likely mid round or latter half pick to get Miller and pin my pessimism on that. I'm pessimistic for other reasons at this point and unfortunately a lot of it is bad luck but another lot of it is how this team thinks it has to play to succeed and how unsustainable that is.

I think that's what Drury is trying to correct but I'm also not saying I have faith he is going about it the right way.

What they do with Panarin could be real interesting. I keep wanting to say "I don't think he's really the issue here!" but I suspect he might be more of a driving force behind the teams mentality and play than is obvious. He's obviously the most talented guy and in general that's good! And sometimes he plays with fire and attacks the middle of the ice and does all this good stuff....but the slow things down, pull up and look for cross ice passes, try to play east/west problem this team has seems to track directly back to him and how he really is inclined to play. The team needs to play more fast paced and straight forward and develop some strategies with the puck going to the net on fast break ins rather than slowing down and going cross ice. Lots of teams obviously work on how to create misidirection, gets guys open, and funnel pucks to the net on transition while crashign the net and the Rangers can't be assed to do any of that and it kills them every game

 

[Levitate]

So? We're arguing semantics now. My point was that none of the teams drafting franchise forwards in the lottery became Buffalo except for Buffalo.

Franchise forwards in their prime are required but not sufficient to win championships.

We're not even meeting the requirement.

yah agree

just don't start making statements you can't back up

 

[Machinehead]

yah agree

just don't start making statements you can't back up

My statement was that only Buffalo is Buffalo and it's stupid to keep bringing them up when people want to move in a completely different direction.

Nobody even necessarily said "rebuild" (although, realistically, this team is lined up to be ass for awhile), and suggesting that what we have now is way of course, or wanting a good young player, gets immediately shouted down with "SO YOU WANT TO BUFFALO HOW DID THAT WORK OUT!!"!W}{L!@}O{ JS{@IPNR!!!!!#*(!#"

Which is a strawman and also wrong, and also a strawman, and also stupid.

I think I have backed that up.

 

[will1066]

Welp, Habs pulled one off

 

[Machinehead]

honestly? Yeah I think they do think that. I'm not saying I agree but I think Drury's plan here is to remake the team and keep pushing

I"m not saying it's a good plan, but I'm a liiiiiiiiiitle bit eh on giving up a likely mid round or latter half pick to get Miller and pin my pessimism on that. I'm pessimistic for other reasons at this point and unfortunately a lot of it is bad luck but another lot of it is how this team thinks it has to play to succeed and how unsustainable that is.

I think that's what Drury is trying to correct but I'm also not saying I have faith he is going about it the right way.

What they do with Panarin could be real interesting. I keep wanting to say "I don't think he's really the issue here!" but I suspect he might be more of a driving force behind the teams mentality and play than is obvious. He's obviously the most talented guy and in general that's good! And sometimes he plays with fire and attacks the middle of the ice and does all this good stuff....but the slow things down, pull up and look for cross ice passes, try to play east/west problem this team has seems to track directly back to him and how he really is inclined to play. The team needs to play more fast paced and straight forward and develop some strategies with the puck going to the net on fast break ins rather than slowing down and going cross ice. Lots of teams obviously work on how to create misidirection, gets guys open, and funnel pucks to the net on transition while crashign the net and the Rangers can't be assed to do any of that and it kills them every game

I'm pessimistic on the Miller move because if they said we were taking a step back for a year or two, I would find that encouraging. It was 1) probably needed and 2) not necessarily a teardown rebuild so we don't need to have that discussion.

Instead, they made the ultimate Rongos move.

-The player is over 30
-He had his best years elsewhere
-He's probably slotted above his station
-"The Rangers have targeted him"
-"Players like this don't become available!" (meanwhile we get one like every three years)
-Bonus: he's a former Ranger!

It ticks off every box of being the Rangers meme acquisition. It's the exact same ideology we've had for as long as any of us have been alive. We want something different.

 

[KevinFinnerty]

I hate to say it, but I feel like last year was our chance at the cup. If only we beat Florida, I think we might have had a chance to beat the Oilers. Panthers were just a wagon past few years and their system play blows us out of the water. They're a well-coached team that cycles and wears you down. We've always had a problem defending those teams- (Kings, Panthers).

If we make it to the playoffs this year I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see them upset Washington and after that is just a matchup game. We play the Hurricanes very very well, but Tampa always has our number. Let's go rangers and see what happens.

 

[Boris Zubov]

I hate to say it, but I feel like last year was our chance at the cup. If only we beat Florida, I think we might have had a chance to beat the Oilers. Panthers were just a wagon past few years and their system play blows us out of the water. They're a well-coached team that cycles and wears you down. We've always had a problem defending those teams- (Kings, Panthers).

If we make it to the playoffs this year I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see them upset Washington and after that is just a matchup game. We play the Hurricanes very very well, but Tampa always has our number. Let's go rangers and see what happens.

I don't think we could've beat Edmonton nor Colorado had we got past Tampa. High end talent like MacK & McJesus abuses us in big games. Plus neither team skated nearly well enough to keep up with either team. That 21-22 team was out of gas in the semi-finals...They had nothing in reserve for another playoff round.

 

[will1066]

Laf was supposedly a Cantmiss Everdeen. Now we're among the bottom feeders playing hunger games for the honor of being slaughtered by the team from the Capitol.

That's all I've got for today

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

-"The Rangers have targeted him"

Lmaoooo

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Why does Florida seem to lose every time we need them to beat somebody?

 

[Levitate]

I'm pessimistic on the Miller move because if they said we were taking a step back for a year or two, I would find that encouraging. It was 1) probably needed and 2) not necessarily a teardown rebuild so we don't need to have that discussion.

Instead, they made the ultimate Rongos move.

-The player is over 30
-He had his best years elsewhere
-He's probably slotted above his station
-"The Rangers have targeted him"
-"Players like this don't become available!" (meanwhile we get one like every three years)
-Bonus: he's a former Ranger!

It ticks off every box of being the Rangers meme acquisition. It's the exact same ideology we've had for as long as any of us have been alive. We want something different.

Sure, I don't think it's the real overall problem though

If Kakko and Laf had been legit top 2 picks this would be a vastly different situation

and again while I think the Rangers didn't develop them great, they also obviously weren't the talents you'd hope to pick in the top 2

 

[Machinehead]

Sure, I don't think it's the real overall problem though

If Kakko and Laf had been legit top 2 picks this would be a vastly different situation

and again while I think the Rangers didn't develop them great, they also obviously weren't the talents you'd hope to pick in the top 2

Yeah well, if my cat had tits I could milk him.

We're back to square one in terms of having bullets in the chamber to try and land a young franchise forward, and while nobody is saying be Buffalo, it doesn't make sense to burn those dice rolls trying to win with a bubble team.

 

[KevinFinnerty]

We're the Rangers, if we want a franchise talent, we will need to trade for him or wait til he's 32 at UFA. This organization will never tank, and we aren't not bad enough to be a top 5 lottery team. We need to continue to sign College FA, and make shrewd trades. Thats the way I see it.

 

[TominNC]

We didn't have a serious chance in either series because we couldn't match up with the top talent

You don't have any chance if you're not in it. 7-10 years with no playoffs is a waste of whatever years I have left

 

[Filip Chytil]

Nothing is guaranteed except that this core isn't winning shit. I can guarantee you that. Our GM has alzimers. The owner runs the team. The coach is afraid to make drastic changes. Our bandaid is to trade away our picks and keep signing has-beens.

Classic Rangers!

 

[Machinehead]

You don't have any chance if you're not in it. 7-10 years with no playoffs is a waste of whatever years I have left

Who is saying "I hope we miss the playoffs for 7-10 years?"

 

[FoxyClean]

This defense is atrocious

And unless the salary cap magically disappears, how are they signing McDavid and Eichel.

Salary cap will be like $20m higher in two years, and we get Panarin and Kreider off the books, and get rid of Mika. Could easily sign McDavid at $19.7m and Eichel at $15m (AAVs for superstars will look like that in 2026-27)

 

[UnparalledPark]

We're the Rangers, if we want a franchise talent, we will need to trade for him or wait til he's 32 at UFA. This organization will never tank, and we aren't not bad enough to be a top 5 lottery team. We need to continue to sign College FA, and make shrewd trades. Thats the way I see it.

May I say it’s refreshing to find a realist on this board.

 

[Filip Chytil]

We're the Rangers, if we want a franchise talent, we will need to trade for him or wait til he's 32 at UFA. This organization will never tank, and we aren't not bad enough to be a top 5 lottery team. We need to continue to sign College FA, and make shrewd trades. Thats the way I see it.

Bring back Matt Gilroy to bring us to the promise land!

 

[KevinFinnerty]

That's Hobey Baker award winner Matt Gilroy to you sir

 

[NickyFotiu]

And Rangers fans keep beating themselves with history. When most have been watching for 10, 20, 30 some years. Plus a few of us old guys,

Those years especially those over 30 years ago are largely irrelevant. Different coaches, players, GMs and owners. Todays Islanders have nothing to do with the 4 peat team. Todays Yankees have nothing to do with the 27 World Series teams. Bringing up the Rangers drafting Doogs instead of Bossy may be something to laugh at but has nothing to do with us drafting Lias Anderson.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I'm not understanding your position here. What choice did they really have? They were relevant for over a decade & made a finals appearance with a bunch of other deep runs. They kept running it back until it was clear as day they were never winning with that group. So they sold off everything except Logan Couture & set themselves up for a nice bounce back in 2-3 years, while getting lucky by acquiring the most difficult piece of the puzzle early in their rebuild. They're in a pretty enviable position if you ask me. They were never Buffalo. They actually look like they have a plan.

Maybe they had no choice but it's been 7 years and they're the worst team in the NHL. There's nothing enviable about that. I rather have a 3 year shitty period and be in the final 4 two of three seasons.