Post-Game Talk: Well....we won...

[Mortimer Snerd]

So does that mean we don’t get Byfield? Nj are the new oilers getting a high pick again.

Don't like it. I want Byfield. I still think we are a bubble team. Might make the PO, might not. Draft between 12 and 24.

Minny, Detroit, LAK and Sens are the top contenders for Lafreniere and Byfield.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Don't like it. I want Byfield. I still think we are a bubble team. Might make the PO, might not. Draft between 12 and 24.

Minny, Detroit, LAK and Sens are the top contenders for Lafreniere and Byfield.

Oh well let's hope we get the next Heinola or Aho a guy who dropped and we didn't see it coming. Unless you are watching way too much amateur hockey.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Luoto is always chasing and a half second behind the play(literally no anticipation in his game). He has shown nothing that suggests that he could be an effective player at this level.

And he is still head and shoulders better than Shaw.

I preferred Chibi in TC but apparently the coaches liked Luoto, so it is Luoto we have right now. I have nothing against sending Luoto down, but if I can only swap one of them, Shaw is gone 11 times out of 10.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Oh well let's hope we get the next Heinola or Aho a guy who dropped and we didn't see it coming. Unless you are watching way too much amateur hockey.

I think there are still going to be some good players available where we draft.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I think there are still going to be some good players available where we draft.

If we still have our first rd pick.

 

[rkp]

Well then Maurice is doing a even better job than we thought .

What exactly is he doing that's better than what he has been doing in the past?

 

[rkp]

Of all the coaches in the league Maurice may be sitting the most safely. I’ve never understood a lot of the criticism that goes his way, except the one about loading up the first line too much and playing it to the ground. He’s taken a team comprising mostly of AHL defenders and an AHL fourth line and turned it into a playoff team. Of course Hellebuyck is the real reason for that, it’d be hard not to be in a playoff spot with his current play, but Maurice is a good coach and quite possibly the most charming man on earth.

No we all know who pomo is in this forum….seriously, like you said, take helly out of the equation and we would more likely be 8 and 12....now how does hellybuck make pomo a better coach if he hasn't done anything else except, because of little's injury make the change he should have done years ago.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

here is something to think about.

when the season started, and we became aware of what our defence would look like......

how many of you thought we would be 9th in the league after 21 games.

(get your hand down sip)

could it be that our gm knows what he is doing?

could it be that our coach is far better than any of you give him credit for?

seems we have a system, and everyone has bought in

First, we are not 9th. We are 11th.
Second, we are 11th because Helle has been crazy good. Remember when we used to say that if we could just get avg goaltending we would be a PO team? Well if we had avg goaltending this year we would be somewhere near the bottom of the league.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

If we still have our first rd pick.

Please don't even think about that.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Yeah Tanev was awful for his first year and a half.

Luoto dies have a similiar motor and skill set. I think the best place for him right now is the AHL but I was wrong about Tanev so we shall see here.

Tanev was (I think) 24 when he arrived with the Jets. Luoto just turned 22. Tanev was more mature. OTOH, Luoto probably has more potential to improve.

 

[bumblebeeman]

First, we are not 9th. We are 11th.
Second, we are 11th because Helle has been crazy good. Remember when we used to say that if we could just get avg goaltending we would be a PO team? Well if we had avg goaltending this year we would be somewhere near the bottom of the league.

You could say that about any team tho. Any team who has good goaltending would be lower in the standings if their goaltending was worse.

The year the Jets made the WCF people were saying the same thing on these boards. That advanced stats weren't good to start the year and the Jets were only doing well because of goaltending and luck, but then they just kept winning anyways and eventually their shot differentials improved.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Great game. Unfortunately my PVR quit recording with 2 mins left. Probably good thing cause I was wearing out my chair when it went to 3-2.

Always add extra time to the PVR. Games are rarely over in the 2.5 hrs TSN allots in their schedule and there is always the possibility of OT/SO. I give it 40 mins extra.

 

[Howard Chuck]

It's always either or between some combination of players. So Connor should just go to the second pp by default, because no matter how cold Ehlers and Laine are they get top priority? They needed a guy who was willing to go to the net. They needed a d, Chef is their top centre. That leaves 3 places. A big body in front of the net makes that two. If Laine isn't scoring and Connor is, why should Laine get priority?

I feel that they need the best zone entry guy and the guy with the best shot on the team, even if they are colder right now. The larger sample supports this in my mind. Your mileage may vary

 

[KingBogo]

That argument is missing a very large piece of the puzzle to be complete.

Whilst I agree with you that we've won some games off the back of goaltending, I can also name a few where we lost because of goaltending (either the other goalie playing lights out, or our goalie not giving us a quality start). That's hockey, every team can win or lose based off goalie performance - it's just a fact based off of the importance of a critical position (like a starter in baseball - though a lot less nowadays.)

Additionally, our best scorers are mostly suffering from low SH%, which will also normalize as we go along. We are seeing the Jets create more high danger chances and getting more quality shots as of late, and I'd expect that to continue.

So, overall, I disagree that we are going to regress and fall down the standings. I see the team actually become more successful as our supreme scoring talent starts performing as expected.

Agreed, and it will be fun to watch those that only seem to enjoy themselves when things go bad tie themselves in bigger and bigger knots trying to explain why we are actually bad despite our record. In truth I'm already enjoying it.

 

[LowLefty]

I feel that they need the best zone entry guy and the guy with the best shot on the team, even if they are colder right now. The larger sample supports this in my mind. Your mileage may vary

Or you go with whats working now rather than what used to work - it's not like anything here is carved in stone - we are making changes to the lineup to support current performance and best results

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

You could say that about any team tho. Any team who has good goaltending would be lower in the standings if their goaltending was worse.

The year the Jets made the WCF people were saying the same thing on these boards. That advanced stats weren't good to start the year and the Jets were only doing well because of goaltending and luck, but then they just kept winning anyways and eventually their shot differentials improved.

Not the same at all. You can't say that about any team. You can only say it about teams whose goaltending is way above average. There aren't many of those. The only reason, the only reason the Jets have a good record this year is Helle. If he cools off to merely good, we are in a lot of trouble.

We are in 11th place. We have a -5 goal differential. There are 7 teams with positive goal differentials who are behind us. We are in 21st place, ranked by goal differential. We are at or very close to last place in the league in many statistical categories.

 

[Gil Fisher]

We are at or very close to last place in the league in many statistical categories.

Only HDCF and anything heavily weighted by it.

*I'm not sure the nature of the argument into which I've interjected.

 

[KingBogo]

Not the same at all. You can't say that about any team. You can only say it about teams whose goaltending is way above average. There aren't many of those. The only reason, the only reason the Jets have a good record this year is Helle. If he cools off to merely good, we are in a lot of trouble.

We are in 11th place. We have a -5 goal differential. There are 7 teams with positive goal differentials who are behind us. We are in 21st place, ranked by goal differential. We are at or very close to last place in the league in many statistical categories.

And we are in the middle of the pack in a lot of them to. I've liked Helly's game so far but he is not the only reason we are where we are. And if we get our shooting% to where it has been in the past I expect us to start scoring a lot more goals to even off any down turn in goaltending. But overall Mort you seem to be working pretty hard to tell everyone how bad we are. It doesn't seem like much fun to me. Its sports enjoy the ride.

 

[voyageur]

Only HDCF and anything heavily weighted by it.

And you have to wonder about that stat as we are a team that still passes off a good shot for great or not so great pass. So scoring chances become rendered moot.

The biggest change in this team is that the defensive structure now keeps the game in front of them. There isn't the run and gun of years passed. That is a product of the St. Louis series and new personnel.

I'd be curious to see a metric of scoring chances (especially quality) from last year to this year. Without a doubt odd man rushes are down considerably.

 

[LowLefty]

And you have to wonder about that stat as we are a team that still passes off a good shot for great or not so great pass. So scoring chances become rendered moot.

The biggest change in this team is that the defensive structure now keeps the game in front of them. There isn't the run and gun of years passed. That is a product of the St. Louis series and new personnel.

I'd be curious to see a metric of scoring chances (especially quality) from last year to this year. Without a doubt odd man rushes are down considerably.

They have been recently at least which lends to the learning curve that we are going through with a much different D and a much more honest O

 

[Deedog99]

No we all know who pomo is in this forum….seriously, like you said, take helly out of the equation and we would more likely be 8 and 12....now how does hellybuck make pomo a better coach if he hasn't done anything else except, because of little's injury make the change he should have done years ago.

So would every team with a good top 10 goalie.

 

[Whileee]

I have a question for everyone saying Maurice is just lucky that he has Hellebuyck? Does that mean you're rethinking his career record when you look back at all of the seasons when he had crappy goalies?

 

[jepjepjoo]

Or you go with whats working now rather than what used to work - it's not like anything here is carved in stone - we are making changes to the lineup to support current performance and best results

Has PP1 really been working? they scored their first goal yesterday... It's not like they're magic together.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

That argument is missing a very large piece of the puzzle to be complete.

I wasn't laying out any argument. I was stating my opinion. And on the subject that I was posting about, it is complete.

 

[scelaton]

Not the same at all. You can't say that about any team. You can only say it about teams whose goaltending is way above average. There aren't many of those. The only reason, the only reason the Jets have a good record this year is Helle. If he cools off to merely good, we are in a lot of trouble.

We are in 11th place. We have a -5 goal differential. There are 7 teams with positive goal differentials who are behind us. We are in 21st place, ranked by goal differential. We are at or very close to last place in the league in many statistical categories.

If can go both ways...

If Laine approaches anywhere near his historical shooting %, and/or
If Morrissey plays to his potential, and/or
If Wheeler follows his pattern of slow starts and strong finishes, and/or
If Niku ever replaces one of our plugs on D, and/or
If Byfuglien and Little are back in the new year, and
If we can stay healthy and play a two-way game with the aforementioned and non-mentioned talent on this team...

we might be in less trouble than you think