It’s not?
Helly’s stats may be a bit lower because of the D in front of him. But without his all star goaltending I’d be impressed if we’d have won 5 this season.
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Helly’s stats may be a bit lower because of the D in front of him. But without his all star goaltending I’d be impressed if we’d have won 5 this season.
Brossoit has won 3 of his 5 starts alone and has a .871 SV%.
Yeah, I would rather have Laine in PP than any other Jets player no matter of the goal totals.
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And has let in very few soft goals. And has made lots of big saves sv is affected by team in front of you.
Obviously not everyone agrees. Ehlers probably has done more on pp this year.
Ya, Jets are 11th in the NHL in team save percentage. Helle is certainly playing well but I wouldn’t say he’s carrying the team. The Jets are also 6th in shooting percentage. I wouldn’t expect them to be that bad for a whole season. I don’t see Laine scoring less than 20 goals this year.
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Laine not getting much PP time is odd, though. I like Ehlers on PP1, though.
If it's about faceoffs, there are 7 forwards doing better than Wheels (and Schief: though several have small sample sizes, and it's a sketchy subjective stat to begin with).
Laine not getting much PP time is odd, though. I like Ehlers on PP1, though.
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And my point stands. Our backup has won 3 of 5 starts so you are saying we would only be 2-14 the rest of the way without Vezina goaltending in those other 16 games.
Yes I think with avg goaltending we might be 3-13. What is your pt that I’m bad at math or that the team has been better?
That would be considerably worse than any other team in the NHL during that period. So basically you are arguing the Jets would be the runaway leader for the lottery draft without Helly. Worse than teams like LA that have a team save% well below .900.
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Bealieu and Poolboy need to nut up.
Looking at their career longevity, neither one IMO can survive trying to rely on being a PMD. If they want to be more useful they need to incorporate some heavyness into their game - they are both big enough.
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The margins are so paper thin in the league that if you get .930 level goaltending from your starter it’s hard to not be in a playoff spot.
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until recently Helle was #1 if you factored in degree of difficulty.
Because he hasn't been that for some time. This is the Winnipeg Jets, not the Patrik Laines. If you are a fan of Patty first and don't really care about the Jets success, I get this argument, but this is the Winnipeg Jets forum, so most people on here realize it's about the team and not any one player.
The reason PL has not scored as expected over the past 10 months or so is that he is passing up shots, and his shot is getting blocked a lot and missing the net.
The exciting/ encouraging thing is we are starting to see Laine's accuracy and velocity come back - which, coupled with his new skillset is very exciting for the future. It's only a matter of time before he puts it all together, and then Winnipeg Jets fans AND Patrik Laine fans will all be winners.
That argument is missing a very large piece of the puzzle to be complete.
Whilst I agree with you that we've won some games off the back of goaltending, I can also name a few where we lost because of goaltending (either the other goalie playing lights out, or our goalie not giving us a quality start). That's hockey, every team can win or lose based off goalie performance - it's just a fact based off of the importance of a critical position (like a starter in baseball - though a lot less nowadays.)
Additionally, our best scorers are mostly suffering from low SH%, which will also normalize as we go along. We are seeing the Jets create more high danger chances and getting more quality shots as of late, and I'd expect that to continue.
So, overall, I disagree that we are going to regress and fall down the standings. I see the team actually become more successful as our supreme scoring talent starts performing as expected.
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late in a game with opponent goalie pulled should be lowry and copp with timeout to rest them if needed. No one is better than them for killing penalties and can also win face offs. I don’t understand csw in that situation.
As far as PP1 goes, I don’t know why we have to choose between some players. It’s not either/or. I would like to see Ehlers and laine on Pp1. I think it just gives us the best chance to score regardless of what a player has done recently.
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Agree - but Shaw is the biggest weakness on that line. The other 2 both look better with a better player on their other wing.
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If you were to bring a Martian to an NHL game to evaluate hockey as a game he would say that tiny differences in goaltending are far too important to the outcomes. He would probably recommend nets be a foot wider and 6" higher. Maybe 2 feet wider.
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Luoto is always chasing and a half second behind the play(literally no anticipation in his game). He has shown nothing that suggests that he could be an effective player at this level.
It's always either or between some combination of players. So Connor should just go to the second pp by default, because no matter how cold Ehlers and Laine are they get top priority? They needed a guy who was willing to go to the net. They needed a d, Chef is their top centre. That leaves 3 places. A big body in front of the net makes that two. If Laine isn't scoring and Connor is, why should Laine get priority?
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