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Zadina = Frk
Kotkaniemi = Kopitar
I'm wrong, just like you
Prospect Info: Welcome to Montréal, Jesperi Kotkaniemi (1st round pick, 3OA 2018 - signed ELC)
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Zadina = Frk
Kotkaniemi = Kopitar
I'm wrong, just like you
teravaineSAROS
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- Jul 29, 2015
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lmfao how is Lehkonen a bust? he was drafted in the 2nd round and is now a solid NHL player. That's better than most second rounders
JeffreyLFC
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The haters in here are so laughable.
Kotkaniemi has as much chance as becoming a superstar player as Zadina. He has way more upside than Tkachuk by a fair margin. He is the center with the best talent we drafted in age.
Some people really believe that we ONLY selected him because he is a center. That is insane even if he was only a winger he would get drafted top 5 no doubt.
Kotkaniemi strenghts are
1. HOCKEY SENSE (as ability to impact the game and understand and process at high pace with good decision). This is probably the biggest bust killer. I don't remember any prospect with insane hockey sense busting while I've seen hundreds prospects with insane physical skills and speed bust because of lacking hockey sense.
some names with insane tools that lacked hockey sense and busted: Yakupov, Daigle, Paajarvi.
2. PUCK PROTECTION, Kotkaniemi is a dominant puck handler and very hard to knock off the puck. He is already playing the pro game and he is still only 180 pounds (so much room to grow). That skillset is another key skill for the NHL. Many junior kids have hard time operating in the NHL because they cannot control the puck like in junior. I have Jonathan Drouin and Alex Galchenyuk as example. They don't have the space to operate as in junior and they are not able to protect the puck as easily and the games that looked so easy in junior are now becoming harder in the pro. Kotkaniemi is insane at protecting the puck and using his body and strenght. He also still has room to grow too which is insane given how good he is already at protecting the puck. That is another skill that is important and can limit top players game efficency if they don't adapt.
3. SHOOTING ABILITY
So much is talked about Zadina shot but very few about Kotkaniemi shot. His shot is insane with lot of power and accuracy. His delivery is also amazing unlike a certain Galchenyuk who also possesed a nice shot but with a very slow delivery which limited is effectiveness. Having a player that shot amd pass like him at center is great and somehow remaniscent of some of the best centers in the NHL like Malkin, Seguin and Scheifele.
4. HANDS,
The guy can deke and create space with his hands. He is so good at operating in thight area and slowing down the pace to open passing lanes. This guy has great mitts and it should translate well in the NHL.
5. WORK RATE/INTANGIBLES, the guy is impacting the game everywhere you never see him float and he is making the right decision defensively and offensively (ala a coach dream). He will go to the hard area and is not scared to go to the net. He is adaptable and so much is talked about "intangibles" like it or not and he possess that which is still very important in the pro. So much people are praising Tkachuk intangibles but they forget Kotkaniemi has the same traits.
Kotkaniemi has as much chance as becoming a superstar player as Zadina. He has way more upside than Tkachuk by a fair margin. He is the center with the best talent we drafted in age.
Some people really believe that we ONLY selected him because he is a center. That is insane even if he was only a winger he would get drafted top 5 no doubt.
Kotkaniemi strenghts are
1. HOCKEY SENSE (as ability to impact the game and understand and process at high pace with good decision). This is probably the biggest bust killer. I don't remember any prospect with insane hockey sense busting while I've seen hundreds prospects with insane physical skills and speed bust because of lacking hockey sense.
some names with insane tools that lacked hockey sense and busted: Yakupov, Daigle, Paajarvi.
2. PUCK PROTECTION, Kotkaniemi is a dominant puck handler and very hard to knock off the puck. He is already playing the pro game and he is still only 180 pounds (so much room to grow). That skillset is another key skill for the NHL. Many junior kids have hard time operating in the NHL because they cannot control the puck like in junior. I have Jonathan Drouin and Alex Galchenyuk as example. They don't have the space to operate as in junior and they are not able to protect the puck as easily and the games that looked so easy in junior are now becoming harder in the pro. Kotkaniemi is insane at protecting the puck and using his body and strenght. He also still has room to grow too which is insane given how good he is already at protecting the puck. That is another skill that is important and can limit top players game efficency if they don't adapt.
3. SHOOTING ABILITY
So much is talked about Zadina shot but very few about Kotkaniemi shot. His shot is insane with lot of power and accuracy. His delivery is also amazing unlike a certain Galchenyuk who also possesed a nice shot but with a very slow delivery which limited is effectiveness. Having a player that shot amd pass like him at center is great and somehow remaniscent of some of the best centers in the NHL like Malkin, Seguin and Scheifele.
4. HANDS,
The guy can deke and create space with his hands. He is so good at operating in thight area and slowing down the pace to open passing lanes. This guy has great mitts and it should translate well in the NHL.
5. WORK RATE/INTANGIBLES, the guy is impacting the game everywhere you never see him float and he is making the right decision defensively and offensively (ala a coach dream). He will go to the hard area and is not scared to go to the net. He is adaptable and so much is talked about "intangibles" like it or not and he possess that which is still very important in the pro. So much people are praising Tkachuk intangibles but they forget Kotkaniemi has the same traits.
We’ve reached point where sucking brings us happiness because it will allow us to get pieces we haven’t had in years.
1 step back but 2 step forwards. Hopefully we sell.
DramaticGloveSave
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- Apr 17, 2017
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Going to suck having our 3rd overall pick playing in other leagues for the next few years, but hopefully the patience pays off.
BLONG7
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A GM who can't get out of his own way...........the thinking that everything is hard, has to stop...the guy can't get the job done, so he stops trying?
When there is a wall in the way, you either go through it, over it or around it..........MB just quits, and says it is what it is...I am tired of this clown giving up because he doesn't have the brains to get creative, in any of his thinking.....get out of the way, if this is how he is going to keep operating.....year 7 and we are all still waiting for miracles? Make it happen...
The Great Weal
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- Jan 15, 2015
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Yeah it will be brutal not to play a bluechip center prospect in a shit show of a team
Habs Icing
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BLONG7
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Seems like such a jerk...his whole family, just seem so unlikeable arrogant people...
Kotka=RNH???.....
I’ve yet to come across one comparison of the two aforementioned players.....sounds like sour grapes on your part.
Really? I don’t get that impression.
Keith even made me laugh. Family was sitting near dahlin and he taps him and says “psst, Rasmus, where do you think you’ll be picked?”
Clearly joking and keeping things light when these kids are under spotlight.
sheed36
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Just watched the NBC coverage when Kotkaniemi was selected and Craig Button just absolutely loves this player. Bob McKenzie seems pretty high on him as well. Pierre McGuire though still seems salty over the Habs taking Price in 2005 instead of Kopitar. 
Just watched the NBC coverage when Kotkaniemi was selected and Craig Button just absolutely loves this player. Bob McKenzie seems pretty high on him as well. Pierre McGuire though still seems salty over the Habs taking Price in 2005 instead of Kopitar.
THEY HAVE SO MANY OTHER NEEDS.
That Habs Fan
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Saxon
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- Mar 9, 2015
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I'd like someone to justify the Zadina/Hossa comparisons. Zadina is slow, not good defensively, loses more board battles that Quinn Hughes in the NCAA......
BJCOLLINS
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Well, winning the lottery was wasted.
BPA? we passed on that.
Don’t draft according to team need.....unless of course your Bergy and smarter than the rest.
Nothing against Kotkaniemi I’m sure he’s thrilled. After ACL surgery a kid with average speed picked 3OA, he must feel HE won the lottery? As a Habs fan you have two choices rail against the pick or wish him well.
Good luck kid see you in a few years.
BPA? we passed on that.
Don’t draft according to team need.....unless of course your Bergy and smarter than the rest.
Nothing against Kotkaniemi I’m sure he’s thrilled. After ACL surgery a kid with average speed picked 3OA, he must feel HE won the lottery? As a Habs fan you have two choices rail against the pick or wish him well.
Good luck kid see you in a few years.
BB88
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I see Eagle filling in at 6’3 215/220lbs by the time he hits 22yrs old, he’s gonna be a beast.
Leave him in Suomi, let him dominate the next WJC U20. My guesss is he’s gonna be given a bigger role with his team next year, the perfect scenario for us.
Now, about Jack Hughes and next seasons tank job........
I'd keep the goal at 200lbs-205lbs right now, don't want him to become too heavy to affect his skating ceiling.
It really bothers me to listen all around places questions around his offensive game.
I'll take an example from the past. I remember the 2015 draft, Boston had the 13th pick, I remember 1 selfclaimed expert say taking Rantanen at 13th would be the biggest mistake Boston could ever make, his offensive ceiling is low.
All around HF I was defending against that and trying to say he played in a mens league.
Well next season he completely dominated the AHL and recently hit 84 points. Not that I expect Kotka to hit that number but you can't look at pro league numbers blindly and say a guy with .5 average has a low ceiling.
Kotka is closer to being year younger than Rants on draft day.
Yep.....this is how a tank works.
One more bad year, another top 3 pick and with what we currently have plus them 4 second rounders, it’s shaping up well.
That’s what happens when a GM surrounded by dinosaurs dismantled a pretty decent young nucleus. Habs are several years away from contention. Price will never win a cup in Montreal.
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