Welcome to (failed) TED Talk - TED is dead.

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

The East vs West squabbles has always been bullshit. Something that belongs more on an episode of South Park.

 

[Coyotedroppings]

They made it to the WCF in 2012 and were dead last in the NHL in attendance.

Until the playoffs

 

[TheLegend]

FWIW, Mesa has been trying to get something started there for a while, the "Fiesta District". For many, many years, the Bennigan's on the NW corner of Southern/Alma School and it's strip mall sat there abandoned, surrounded by fences, but during the pandemic that changed and now that looks like this:

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same spot 8 years ago

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and 16 years ago

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I worked in that tall building in the SE corner for a couple of years in the 90s, and went to that Bennigans all the time, and have seen the whole cycle from bustling mall to abandoned retail space to sputtering attempts at renovation, which is what they're still in now....but....drop TED on top of the Fiesta Mall site...and....?

Fiesta District | City of Mesa

Guess who has a basic plan in with the city for redeveloping Fiesta??

Same people who had an option on part of TED and sat on it for the last decade with no plan.

 

[Arizonatah Coyetis]

Kellers agent on PHNX:

"This has been uncertain for far too long, and now there is a real urgency on our clients behalf to have clarity
...
He deserves to be in an organization that has stability and that is pursuing the same thing he is which is excellence.
...
Meeting with the Coyotes later today. There needs to be some real concrete plans, not hoping plans, not maybe plans. This has to come to a head shortly and I'm sure other agents feel the same for their clients."

Fahq! I expected it to unravel, still sucks to actually see it start.

 

[Tanic]

@The Feckless Puck
That came to my mind Yesterday. Why Not Go to the state fair and demolish the veterans memorial colliseum. That place is from 69.
And would be a good location for an Arena.
But for that you would have to Work with the Arizona Exposition and State Fair Board. And i don't know If they are state or City.

1965 actually. Roadrunners in the Western Hockey League were the first tenant. Board members are appointed by the Governor.

I wonder if the state would jump at the opportunity to replace the crumbling Coliseum with a paid for shiny new arena. Give the Fair two weeks of dates in October and Win-Win. Conveniently at the intersection of I-10 and I-17.

 

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Kellers agent on PHNX:

"This has been uncertain for far too long, and now there is a real urgency on our clients behalf to have clarity
...
He deserves to be in an organization that has stability and that is pursuing the same thing he is which is excellence.
...
Meeting with the Coyotes later today. There needs to be some real concrete plans, not hoping plans, not maybe plans. This has to come to a head shortly and I'm sure other agents feel the same for their clients."

Nobody wants a lame duck season. It will be the one thing in AZ more toxic than the landfill. I don't even want to bother to go through it. Announce something by the draft or f*** off.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

I think it’s a bit land locked in terms of additional development opportunity. And while there isn’t a toxic dump to clean up, there’s a lot of property to purchase.

This is me speculating. I don’t know any of that.

They'd definitely have to build up, not out - but then, they wouldn't have any issues with Sky Harbor doing that, so they could go hog wild with it.

Kellers agent on PHNX:

"This has been uncertain for far too long, and now there is a real urgency on our clients behalf to have clarity
...
He deserves to be in an organization that has stability and that is pursuing the same thing he is which is excellence.
...
Meeting with the Coyotes later today. There needs to be some real concrete plans, not hoping plans, not maybe plans. This has to come to a head shortly and I'm sure other agents feel the same for their clients."

Good for Keller. Normally I don't like watching agents play this kind of strong-arm game, but maybe this is what this whole mess needs - a star player forcing everyone's hand one way or the other. Hell, it wasn't until Doan leaked that he was talking to other teams that momentum for IceEdge's deal really took off.

 

[Jakey53]

That’s why this was on the ballot. Everyone thought they were voting to give or deny permission for a billionaire to help himself to their tax dollars. Nope. It was dump versus development. Dump won.

Dump won? No, no, you got it wrong. DUMB won!

This is exactly what we need. More drama from another angle. Lovely!

This had to be expected.

 

[Jakey53]

They'd definitely have to build up, not out - but then, they wouldn't have any issues with Sky Harbor doing that, so they could go hog wild with it.



Good for Keller. Normally I don't like watching agents play this kind of strong-arm game, but maybe this is what this whole mess needs - a star player forcing everyone's hand one way or the other. Hell, it wasn't until Doan leaked that he was talking to other teams that momentum for IceEdge's deal really took off.

I don't think it's a strong arm game. What he is asking is perfectly normal. Hell, it's the same thing we all should be asking.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

Good one! Ak-Sar-Ben is Nebraska spelled backwards. The smoke store is On-Auk-Mor owned by SRPMIC.

THAT'S what it was. Ak-Sar-Ben is a Nebraska-based tribal entity, but I couldn't remember the actual hyphenate for the one here... LOL

 

[Mosby]

Seems to me Fiesta mall isn’t as far east as Glendale is west and has larger communities surrounding it like Chandler and Gilbert.

 

[hbk]

I don't think it's a strong arm game. What he is asking is perfectly normal. Hell, it's the same thing we all should be asking.

It's a fair question to ask. Just not 2 days after what happened. Maybe give it a bit of time.

this is the part where I liked to remind people that teams agree to a no trade clause. It's not a "trade me" clause. Yeah, i get the player can be pissed and stomp his feet but you signed the contract. If it happens, it happens.

 

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Seems to me Fiesta mall isn’t as far east as Glendale is west and has larger communities surrounding it like Chandler and Gilbert.

Less ideal by virtue of being in some of the worst traffic the valley has to offer. Absolute Thunderdome.

 

[rt]

Seems to me Fiesta mall isn’t as far east as Glendale is west and has larger communities surrounding it like Chandler and Gilbert.

Correct.

 

[LuckyNumber11]

THAT'S what it was. Ak-Sar-Ben is a Nebraska-based tribal entity, but I couldn't remember the actual hyphenate for the one here... LOL

It is also the name of the horse track that was run through by a tornado in Omaha, and the former AHL team was the Omaha Aksarben Knights. (Omaha native here)

 

[The Feckless Puck]

Less ideal by virtue of being in some of the worst traffic the valley has to offer. Absolute Thunderdome.

Another question mark is how the entertainment district would be built. There are some corporate tenants already on site there - would they be bought out or given some sort of equity in the build? And then there's Mesa Community College right across the street to the west - how does that factor into it?

Look, if it comes down to Fiesta Mall or nothing, I take Fiesta Mall for sure. But there are better options out there.

 

[Dirty Old Man]

Seems to me Fiesta mall isn’t as far east as Glendale is west and has larger communities surrounding it like Chandler and Gilbert.

(ssshhh, not so loud. you'll upset some people )

 

[The Feckless Puck]

(ssshhh, not so loud. you'll upset some people )

Whether I get upset or not is immaterial - I'm no longer part of the desired demographic. It matters, though, if the "core" fans are upset by having to hike it all the way out to Southern and Alma School to see a game. That's not exactly a fun Sunday drive.

 

[ParisSaintGermain]

Would be so Coyotes

1 = to have built a terrible roster to achieve dead last position
2 = To totally outperform and finish with the 6th worse record
3 = partly because of a goalie picked on waiver playing outstanding in the middle of the season, a goalie needing an extension
4 = but finish 6th worse record is ok "because our young stars and players have really taken a big step forward"
5 = and there is the lottery, "who knows"

Then

lottery not won, goalie not extended, young stars leaving.

 

[Dirty Old Man]

Whether I get upset or not is immaterial - I'm no longer part of the desired demographic. It matters, though, if the "core" fans are upset by having to hike it all the way out to Southern and Alma School to see a game. That's not exactly a fun Sunday drive.

That's probably true, and I have a coping mechanism - the mantra I chanted for 18 years, which was "sure beats the hell out of Portland, OR"...

I do notice though, speaking of core fans that don't live near me, that from oh, Ice Den Scottsdale, The drive to the TED site (20.7 mi, 25 mins) is almost the same as to Fiesta Mall (20.3 mi., 26 mins). (edit: vs Desert Diamond Arena, 32 mi, 32 mins...all exclusive of rush hour)

But who am I kidding, it's not going to be Fiesta Mall.

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

Hang in there guys, you'll get it eventually. Just, no more public votes please

 

[MayDayMayDay]

O.O

 

[The Feckless Puck]

O.O

Gotta be honest, I bet you right now Gutierrez and co. have Google Maps pulled up and are looking at any area that doesn't look inhabited.

 

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O.O

The time to do this was before or parallel with the TED. But Meruelo spent 250k on the TED campaign, and apparently there was no backup plan, so none of this inspires any confidence.
"Look" as much as you want, we want shovels in the ground.

 

[MayDayMayDay]

Gotta be honest, I bet you right now every Coyotes fan in the Valley has Google Maps pulled up and are looking at any area that doesn't look inhabited.

Fixed that for ya