Confirmed with Link: Weekesbomb: Palat to NJ for five-year deal

[BananaGenetics]

Who cares about ‘per 82’? He has never played a full season in his life. Now that I look closer we can probably expect him to miss about 20 games with injuries each year. And playoffs stats who cares we have no chance at this point

20 games seems harsh. After just a quick glance and remembering the covid seasons, it looks like he averages about 14-15 games a season. And thats without recent context, where hes played roughly ~90% of his teams games the last three years.

 

[HersheyBob27]

20 games seems harsh. After just a quick glance and remembering the covid seasons, it looks like he averages about 14-15 games a season. And thats without recent context, where hes played roughly ~90% of his teams games the last three years.

He will probably show up at camp injured

 

[JimEIV]

Just a reminder: We have to sign Bratt, Wood, Vanecek and Boqvist this year. That's probably about $14.7 million right there. Then you have to re-sign Severson and Siegenthaler next year (yes, you'll shed some of Tatar, Johnsson, Graves, Haula). The cap space is going to dry up fast

Bernier's 4.6 will be probably be gone this year with LTIR but it expires at the end of the year either way.

There are only 6 players signed for next year. And we'll probably have a bunch of ELC's to replace existing contracts in Luke, Nemec and Holtz and maybe another. Mercer will still be on his. Bahl and/or Okhotyuk will be cheap for a good while.

Regardless when this season starts we are most likely going be a top 10 team in available cap space. We are 6th now with a few players to sign.

I'm just not seeing an immediate problem. And if there is a problem on the horizon, it'll be because young players have produced and need to get paid... That's a good problem.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Who cares about ‘per 82’? He has never played a full season in his life. Now that I look closer we can probably expect him to miss about 20 games with injuries each year. And playoffs stats who cares we have no chance at this point

I encourage you to count how many games he’s actually missed due to injury over the last few seasons

 

[BananaGenetics]

He will probably show up at camp injured

If that happens ill make my avatar the superdooperLooper, in honor of you

 

[Alex NJD]

Here's a list of all 2nd line UFA forwards signed to 5+ year deals since the NHL limited players to 7 years max:

2013
David Clarkson 7yr, $36.8m
Valtteri FIlppula 5yr, $25m
Nathan Horton 7yr, $37.1m
Vinny Lecavalier 5yr, $22.5m
Stephen Weiss 5yr, $24.5m

2014
Ryan Callahan 6yr, $34.8m
Matt Moulson 5yr, $25m

2016
David Backes 5yr, $30m
Loui Eriksson 6yr, $36m
Andrew Ladd 7yr, $38.5m
Milan Lucic 7yr, $42m
Frans Nielsen 6yr, $31.5m
Kyle Okposo 7yr, $42m

2017
Alex Radulov 5yr, $31.3m

2018
James Van Reimsdyk 5yr, $35m
James Neal 5yr, $28.8m

2019
Mats Zuccarello 5yr, $30m

2021
Zach Hyman 7yr, $38.5m
Philip Danault 6yr, $33m
Blake Coleman 6yr, $29.4m
Jaden Schwartz 5yr, $27.5m
Brandon Saad 5yr, $22.5m

Not surprisingly every contract from 2013-2016 was pretty bad except Filppula who was still a decent 3rd liner by the end.

Everything from 2017 and on hasn't been too bad except Neal.
Radulov: Underpaid for 2, fair for 1, overpaid 1, albatross in the last year only. Overall fair
JVR: Overpaid for sure, but he's produced at roughly a 50 point per 82 game pace. Decent 2nd line pace but he's overpaid a good 2 million or so. Bad contract but not terrible like most previous ones
Zucc: Solid value for 3 years so far, 151 points in 177 games

Hyman and Danault: Both just had career years
Coleman Saad and Schwartz: Performed at about career averages
Obviously the 2021 class will look worse over time in those later years especially Hyman.

Actually seems like GMs have somewhat learned their lesson on these top 6 FA forwards. With the 13 contracts from 2013-2016 all of them looked terrible after year 1 except Filppula. With the 9 contracts since the only one what looked terrible after year 1 was Neal

 

[HersheyBob27]

I encourage you to count how many games he’s actually missed due to injury over the last few seasons

I encourage you to research how much more time players over 30 spend injured

 

[SempreMilan]

Tell us how many goals you are expecting from palat. Lmao

He should hit 20. I think hell get 40- 50 more shots in our offense

 

[Guttersniped]

You don’t need the perfect deal, just look for value. That’s what the good GMs do.

This is not value, this is a pointless vanity signing by a gm hoping to save his job.



I’m saying that they cost the same, and having Tatar’s $4.5 million on the books is a factor in Fitz’s decisions, so let’s not pretend that bad contract didn’t have consequences, just like this much worse one will.

Again, I don’t agree.

It’s not just about value. You want value deals but that’s not the only consideration because sometimes you want a player who isn’t going to be on contracts that aren’t on the best contracts.

Marchment almost signed with Hurricanes until the Stars stole him away. You think Fitz could have jumped in there? I wouldn’t have significantly out bid the Stars’ 4 year/4.5m offer. There’s a lot of risk there. (Also Marchment’s terrible skating has a lot of potential to cause injury and has in the past.)

And the Tatar signing wasn’t a bad signing, we needed a stopgap scoring forward who could provide production. He was a guy we could sign (after bigger forwards turned Fitz down) who wouldn’t effect our cap longterm. Just because he didn’t produce as much as hoped… that happens.

I’m not happy about some other stuff right now but this is the Palat thread and I don’t want to get too off-topic.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

I encourage you to research how much more time players over 30 spend injured

I’m not sure what the actual figures are. Because with age you have way more knowhow to avoid dangerous situations. And you may also choose to play a more risk averse game. Patrik Elias missed 2 games total from 34-36.

 

[devilsblood]

He will probably show up at camp injured

Derp

 

[SempreMilan]

Like the lineup. Few tweaks for me;

Bratt and Sharangovich I believe have shown multi-wing capable, so Palat on the 2nd to help grind for Jack and Holtz on the 3rd to start and grow into is probably a smart option.

Also I liked Boqvist last year in the 2nd half so I dont think he wont make the team. Hes very speedy and that alone may be coveted, since hes a hard forechecker. Think Foote spends one more year in the A and comes up or we move him after. Hes only turning 22 this year.

I debated that point myself for an hour lol. I think Palat is a 20 G scorer playing with Nico and Shar. He probably helps push Shar or Nico to 30. Also wouldnt be against using Foote as a top 9 call up and using Boq on the 4th. We have some good options. 3rd pair D is the question for me.

 

[HersheyBob27]

I’m not sure what the actual figures are. Because with age you have way more knowhow to avoid dangerous situations. And you may also choose to play a more risk averse game. Patrik Elias missed 2 games total from 34-36.

Im told we signed this player to win board battles and make us tougher to play against. All this adds up to missed games in older players

 

[devilsblood]

Palat is sound defensively, battles for the puck, and should see an uptick in production because he will likely be a bigger part of the offense here. Theres a chance Palat actually ages well also. I like the signing.

Bratt- Hughes- Mercer
Sharangovich- Hischier- Holtz
Palat- Huala- Zetterlund
Foote- McLeod- Bastian

Given we signed him for $6 mil per I think it's fair to assume Palat will be in the top 6.

Question is do you put him on Hughes wing, so that he brings that "blue collar guy who can play with white collar players" aspect that he brought to Tampa, or do you stick him with Nico and make that a very good defensive line, that can also put up points? I think I prefer the former.

I know things can change once the season starts, but I'm hoping his play warrants being in the top 6.

 

[JimEIV]

I’m not sure what the actual figures are. Because with age you have way more knowhow to avoid dangerous situations. And you may also choose to play a more risk averse game. Patrik Elias missed 2 games total from 34-36.

Take a look at John Madden. He was incredibly durable right up to the end - 37 years old. Which is pretty impressive for the role and style he played.

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[BananaGenetics]

I debated that point myself for an hour lol. I think Palat is a 20 G scorer playing with Nico and Shar. He probably helps push Shar or Nico to 30. Also wouldnt be against using Foote as a top 9 call up and using Boq on the 4th. We have some good options. 3rd pair D is the question for me.

Foote could impress at camp if hes improved his skating, I remember that being a knock on him. We need size in the lineup, Bastian is really it for bigger guys.

Palat with Nico is the common pair I see, personally I like him with Jack because hes used to playing with a quick paced star and he has the IQ to make the plays Jack shouldnt be, getting him more chances. Nico and a Mercer/Sharangovich/Bratt should be able to cycle and maintain possession well enough on their own I think. Jack is the one we should focus on insulating IMO. Hell, maybe he can pass off some tips from Kucherov's game.

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

Im told we signed this player to win board battles and make us tougher to play against. All this adds up to missed games in older players

Most of winning board battles is smart body positioning. You can engage physically without being reckless and out of control.

 

[Forge]

I’m not happy about some other stuff right now but this is the Palat thread and I don’t want to get too off-topic.

I too am not happy about my continued struggles in obtaining a PS5. We will get through this though.

 

[Guttersniped]

The Tatar deal was a gamble and there were absolutely red flags. I’d rather have extended Tatar for two more years at $5 million than have this shit heap of a contract hanging around for five.

 

[Devilsgrl35]

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This person clearly either doesn't understand hockey or doesn't watch it at all. What an annoying troll.

 

[Billdo]

This person clearly either doesn't understand hockey or doesn't watch it at all. What an annoying troll.

It's just bitching to bitch at this point. There have been several posts that are just insane talk and the one that was quoted is probably it. Rather extend Tatar who has done nothing for a year for two more than have Palat. It's insanity.

Foote could impress at camp if hes improved his skating, I remember that being a knock on him. We need size in the lineup, Bastian is really it for bigger guys.

Palat with Nico is the common pair I see, personally I like him with Jack because hes used to playing with a quick paced star and he has the IQ to make the plays Jack shouldnt be, getting him more chances. Nico and a Mercer/Sharangovich/Bratt should be able to cycle and maintain possession well enough on their own I think. Jack is the one we should focus on insulating IMO. Hell, maybe he can pass off some tips from Kucherov's game.

I like this mindset...

Palat-Hughes-Mercer
Sharangovich-Hischier-Bratt
Tatar/Haula-Haula/Boq-Holtz

It's not a world beating top 9 but it's not bad by any stretch.

 

[DerekDevils30]

43 pages. I love this fan base. Truly.

 

[devilsblood]

Foote could impress at camp if hes improved his skating, I remember that being a knock on him. We need size in the lineup, Bastian is really it for bigger guys.

Palat with Nico is the common pair I see, personally I like him with Jack because hes used to playing with a quick paced star and he has the IQ to make the plays Jack shouldnt be, getting him more chances. Nico and a Mercer/Sharangovich/Bratt should be able to cycle and maintain possession well enough on their own I think. Jack is the one we should focus on insulating IMO. Hell, maybe he can pass off some tips from Kucherov's game.

I saw a Foote interview from the prospects camp, and he's talking about needing to add weight and growing into his frame. He's a tall kid but he looks rather unimposing from a physique standpoint. Not sure why this is only now being recognized as a thing.

Thought his demeaner was rather sheepish as well.

Holtz on the other hand, a guy I haven't been much of a fan of was looking pretty solid (Stein mentioned it) and he was really up beat.

43 pages. I love this fan base. Truly.

It has been a lively debate for sure.

 

[Camille the Eel]

Coleman and Danault are a year into their deals. Danault maybe maybe ages well, I can promise you that Coleman deal will be rough in 2 years maximum.



He's not hitting 20 goals playing with lesser talent.

Sure the essence of all such signings is hoped for immediate benefits against diminishing returns. It’s a calculated risk. Are the immediate benefits worth it? Especially for starting to surround Jack and next year Luke with appropriate talent I like this one.

Palat is the a guy who will compliment Jack Hughes nicely. Both on those weaving rushes that were so good when he was with Kucherov and Stamkos and that are Jacks forte too, as well as on the power play where he will stand up to pressure and help us immensely, and finally in fighting to the net front when Jack is the 3d forward high, circling back up top and then feeding the net front. Palat will be superb at those things I believe.

 

[Triumph]

Here we go again with this disappearance claim. Are discussions supposed to just go on forever? It's funny because there have been times when you eventually stop responding to something...

I generally don't stop responding to things when someone actually puts effort and thought into responding, and you are the opposite. You see someone actually breaking stuff down granularly and you're just nope, it's all about generalities for you.

I'm not on here claiming that your opinions are less valid as a result. The fact that I didn't recall whether or not all the acquisitions I was referring to were free agents is relevant to the point of questioning those acquisitions how exactly? My point was about faith in managements assessment of who they bring in...how they bring them in is not of particular import in that context. This reminds me of when one gets into arguments about gun regulation and people deflect with irrelevant shit like whether or not you know the technical specifications of any given firearm.

It's relevant because you asked like it was some big gotcha question forgetting that the Devils haven't been that active in free agency in a decade. Last year, they were active, they made 3 big signings, but even then, 2 of those contracts were two year deals, and other than that, it's not something they have been doing. If you want to actually ask why the Devils' acquisitions haven't been that good, you should do that. Now we're in this stupid meta-debate because that's all you can do.

You certainly have a very good knowledge base of very specific things as it relates to this sport, league, and team. But by the same token you seem blinded to the less tangible, big picture, aspects. You should try showing a bit more humility in your assertions.

I don't think I will.

I'm confused by what you're trying to convey here. Are you acknowledging that we do in fact not yet have a good enough core? Because that's what it seems like. And if you are...then I'd think you'd be a little more understanding about the concern with a big contract for a secondary piece.

The Devils aren't going to compete for the Stanley Cup next season. I am conveying the idea that the Devils' core is far from set, they have a lot of good young players, they have 3 top 10 picks who've played a combined 9 NHL games, and they need players around them who play complementary games, and Palat is one of them. He fits what the Devils need. Haula does too. The Devils are getting players who play the kind of game you complain about them not playing, but then you just concern troll with 'what's the last thing that ever worked out for this franchise? Maybe this is a terrible move?' It's not great, the contract is too long with too much AAV, but it's the sort of player they need.