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nightonthesun said:
I’m not saying Sid is dishonest, but athletes say things and go back on them all the time. It’s as speculative to say “Mack will throw a hissyfit if they trade Rantanen” as it is to assume Sid’s stated intention to stay in Pittsburgh is iron-clad

Anyway. Colorado wasn’t mentioned at all, but it’s not much of a stretch to think of them as a likely partner
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It’s actually not. It’s 100% clear that Crosby is staying in Pittsburgh to retire. His actions and words over two decades have dictated as such. He literally just signed a contract extension. If he wasn’t committed, he wouldn’t have signed an extension.

People here are so f***ing dense sometimes.
 
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PenguinSuitedUp said:
It’s actually not. It’s 100% clear that Crosby is staying in Pittsburgh to retire. His actions and words over two decades have dictated as such. He literally just signed a contract extension. If he wasn’t committed, he wouldn’t have signed an extension.

People here are so f***ing dense sometimes.
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Is it denser to speak in total absolutes or to idly entertain possibilities based on things that have happened in the past?
Pancakes said:
I could wake up tomorrow a millionaire with a hot broad wanting to marry me.

It won't happen. But it could.
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Sorry, I think that’s way less likely. But I’m rooting for you.
 
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nightonthesun said:
Is it denser to speak in total absolutes or to idly entertain possibilities based on things that have happened in the past?
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In this situation? The latter, because it’s so obviously never going to happen. This isn’t just Penguins fans speculating that it won’t happen. Crosby has made it clear for two decades that he’s staying in Pittsburgh.
 
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Funk21 said:
I actually think it will happen, it all boils down to Sid. Middlestat plus plus going back. Pitt starts its tear down and gets some warm bodies to flip later and draft picks. Avs have one of the best one two punches.
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You think it will happen based on what? Paul Bissonnette engagement farming? Over and against 20 years of Crosby saying he wants to stay, and him just signing an extension last summer to retire a Penguin?
 
nightonthesun said:
Is it denser to speak in total absolutes or to idly entertain possibilities based on things that have happened in the past?

Sorry, I think that’s way less likely. But I’m rooting for you.
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Things that have happened in the past have absolutely no bearing on the Crosby situation.

"Even Gretzky was traded!"

Yeah, but, if we can pretend we all have an-above-room-temp IQ for 5 seconds: Gretzky didn't want to be traded. His owner made that decision.

In this case, Crosby doesn't want to be traded. The owners do not want to trade him.

So instead of picking and choosing irrelevant situations to make your never-going-to-happen scenarios seem slightly more plausible, why don't you, instead, work from this list:

list all of the players who got traded despite 1) the player being adamant about not wanting to be traded and 2) the owners being adamant about not wanting (or needing) to trade the player

I'll hang up and listen
 
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TheOrganist said:
It’s a bummer/weird that a competitor like Sid seems content to wither away in Pittsburgh instead of Ray Bourqing it. His legacy won’t be affected one sliver. Move on. It will help them rebuild.
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Ray Bourque, if memory serves, "Ray Bourqued" it because Ray Bourque had 0 cups. Sidney Crosby, if memory servers, which, ya know, it does, has 3 cups.

Crosby wouldn't be Ray Bourqueing it. He would be closer to Kevin Duranting it. (edit: that's not right, either, because KD had 0 rings. I dunno. Who had rings and then went on to chase more rings with a stacked team? Someone list that player, he's your comparison)

Again, so many people are in a rush to say he has to go, or why it will happen or should happen, using events from the past as "logical" comparisons, without doing the remedial math required to see why the situations are not anything alike.

I am one of the biggest Sid fans alive. I would prefer to see him scoring more points in both the regular season and playoffs, and competing in the playoffs regularly. I do not enjoy seeing him on a garbage team. But if he wants the legacy of being a 1-franchise guy, who the f*** am I to tell him, one of the greatest players of all time, how to end his career?
 
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IcedCapp said:
Ray Bourque, if memory serves, "Ray Bourqued" it because Ray Bourque had 0 cups. Sidney Crosby, if memory servers, which, ya know, it does, has 3 cups.

Crosby wouldn't be Ray Bourqueing it. He would be closer to Kevin Duranting it. (edit: that's not right, either, because KD had 0 rings. I dunno. Who had rings and then went on to chase more rings with a stacked team? Someone list that player, he's your comparison)

Again, so many people are in a rush to say he has to go, or why it will happen or should happen, using events from the past as "logical" comparisons, without doing the remedial math required to see why the situations are not anything alike.

I am one of the biggest Sid fans alive. I would prefer to see him scoring more points in both the regular season and playoffs, and competing in the playoffs regularly. I do not enjoy seeing him on a garbage team. But if he wants the legacy of being a 1-franchise guy, who the f*** am I to tell him, one of the greatest players of all time, how to end his career?
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Ummm…it’s a hockey message board and I’m free to judge a public figure. He can do whatever the hell he wants. I’m merely stating it can be observed to be non-sensical in a pure hockey sense and as a HOCKEY fan I’d love to see him go elsewhere and play for something meaningful. It would be compelling.
 
TheOrganist said:
Ummm…it’s a hockey message board and I’m free to judge a public figure. He can do whatever the hell he wants. I’m merely stating it can be observed to be non-sensical in a pure hockey sense and as a HOCKEY fan I’d love to see him go elsewhere and play for something meaningful. It would be compelling.
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It’s not non-sensical for a player to want to finish his career with one franchise. His values just don’t align with what’s convenient for your entertainment.

They do happen to align with what a lot of people who do if they were in his position, however.
 
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Ulf5 said:
More likely they/we are closer to the situation. And have heard and listened to the quotes over the last 20 years about the admiration Crosby has for the Lemieuxs and Yzermans that spent their entire careers in one sweater. And how much that would mean to him.
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Fair enough.
 
TheOrganist said:
Ummm…it’s a hockey message board and I’m free to judge a public figure. He can do whatever the hell he wants. I’m merely stating it can be observed to be non-sensical in a pure hockey sense and as a HOCKEY fan I’d love to see him go elsewhere and play for something meaningful. It would be compelling.
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I agree with this take actually. He could still clearly contribute to a contender but is just done playing meaningful games I guess. Hurts his legacy in a way, you can’t just nope out of wanting to win for several years when it suits you and not expect it to harm your reputation.

This is where Ovi will start to gain ground on him ironically- he is not only chasing down a major record but leading a very strong club. People will remember him as playing on a top team as a top player to the very end. Crosby not so much.
 
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SEALBound said:
Just want to point out that Weekes didnt connect Pittsburgh and Colorado in the tweet. Pittsburgh could be trading with anyone.
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Thank you for speaking sense. To be honest, the Seravalli tweet immediately after the trade followed shortly by Weekes tweet got me a little anxious. Gotta stay based and consider the reality here.
 
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VeteranPresence said:
I agree with this take actually. He could still clearly contribute to a contender but is just done playing meaningful games I guess. Hurts his legacy in a way, you can’t just nope out of wanting to win for several years when it suits you and not expect it to harm your reputation.

This is where Ovi will start to gain ground on him ironically- he is not only chasing down a major record but leading a very strong club. People will remember him as playing on a top team as a top player to the very end. Crosby not so much.
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It literally does nothing to hurt his legacy. He has 3 Cup wins and is challenging to break Gretzky’s record for most seasons in a row with at least a point per game, while chasing down the top 10 scorers of all time.

If anything, it’s a great story about yet another all time great athlete who loves playing sports in Pittsburgh.
 
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