Buffalo Bills Week 11-- Kansas City (9-0) @ Buffalo (8-2) Sunday 11/17, 4:25 PM, CBS

[Dirty Dog]

My hope for this year was to win the division and a playoff game, while identifying what’s working and what’s not going into an off-season with plenty of assets. We had a lot of players that we were hoping to grab onto roles, and for the most part, they have. I think starting next year, this is going to be a ridiculously good team. Don’t get me wrong, they are a top 5 team right now, but they have some issues.

 

[BowieSabresFan]

Any update on Kincaid?

 

[Jim Bob]

Last I checked the Bills defense has given up the most explosive plays in the NFL. There's no brownie points for those plays mostly coming as runs or YAC instead of deep bombs. I agree he's doing a good job of taking away over the top passes, but it's at the expense of everything else a safety is responsible for.

Also, he gave up the hail mary, so it's not zero.

How many of those chunk plays have been Hamlin's responsibility, though?

The Hail Mary was way more on Taron Johnson than Hamlin. TJ was in front of the receiver and fell down instead of keeping his balance so that he was in position to knock the ball down.

The big pass play to Nico Collins was on Bishop.

When you are getting gashed in the run game, I am not going to point the finger at Rapp or Hamlin when they are lined up 15+ yards off of the line of scrimmage.

Hamlin isn't perfect. But, he isn't the liability that a lot of people are trying to make him out as, either. And a lot of people that are critical of Hamlin's play do not have any idea what Babich and the rest of the coaches are asking Hamlin to do.

Any update on Kincaid?

He's day to day with the knee.

My guess is that he will be limited most of the week and the first real indication we will get about his availability is if Zach Davidson gets elevated off of the PS for the game.

If Davidson is elevated, that will point to Kincaid missing the game. If he isn't, that will point to Kincaid being good to go.

 

[Jim Bob]

The run D to me seems like feast or famine -- we either give up a long run/chunk play......or we stuff it entirely.

The way that the Bills defend the run, it does seem like every game is against Barry Sanders where it's 9 runs for 8 yards and then the 10th run goes for 50+.

 

[Husko]

How many of those chunk plays have been Hamlin's responsibility, though?

The Hail Mary was way more on Taron Johnson than Hamlin. TJ was in front of the receiver and fell down instead of keeping his balance so that he was in position to knock the ball down.

The big pass play to Nico Collins was on Bishop.

When you are getting gashed in the run game, I am not going to point the finger at Rapp or Hamlin when they are lined up 15+ yards off of the line of scrimmage.

Hamlin isn't perfect. But, he isn't the liability that a lot of people are trying to make him out as, either. And a lot of people that are critical of Hamlin's play do not have any idea what Babich and the rest of the coaches are asking Hamlin to do.


He's day to day with the knee.

My guess is that he will be limited most of the week and the first real indication we will get about his availability is if Zach Davidson gets elevated off of the PS for the game.

If Davidson is elevated, that will point to Kincaid missing the game. If he isn't, that will point to Kincaid being good to go.

Yeah I’m going to just agree to disagree here. I think Hamlin is by far the biggest problem on the defense. You may be right that they’re coaching him to e over cautious and stay deep no matter what, but that in and of itself is indicative of the way he’s being a drag on the entire defensive unit. That is never how the Bills have coached their defense. They’ve always been about having their safeties bemultiple and react quickly to condense room. If indeed they’re telling him to play like this, it’s because they don’t trust him to play like a real safety.

I mostly wish they were getting Bishop reps and let him go through the growing pains to see if he can be a plus starter by the playoffs. His floor may be lower than Hamlin, but gosh Hamlin’s decidedly below average ceiling is frustrating.

 

[truthbluth]

The way that the Bills defend the run, it does seem like every game is against Barry Sanders where it's 9 runs for 8 yards and then the 10th run goes for 50+.

There’s a reason all those Detroit teams sucked though. The 9 runs for 8 yards have more impact than the one for 50.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Yeah I’m going to just agree to disagree here. I think Hamlin is by far the biggest problem on the defense. You may be right that they’re coaching him to e over cautious and stay deep no matter what, but that in and of itself is indicative of the way he’s being a drag on the entire defensive unit. That is never how the Bills have coached their defense. They’ve always been about having their safeties bemultiple and react quickly to condense room. If indeed they’re telling him to play like this, it’s because they don’t trust him to play like a real safety.

I mostly wish they were getting Bishop reps and let him go through the growing pains to see if he can be a plus starter by the playoffs. His floor may be lower than Hamlin, but gosh Hamlin’s decidedly below average ceiling is frustrating.

I think Hamlin is the clear weak link. (But I think an elite DT next to Oliver would make the biggest improvement for this team.)

 

[Jim Bob]

I mostly wish they were getting Bishop reps and let him go through the growing pains to see if he can be a plus starter by the playoffs. His floor may be lower than Hamlin, but gosh Hamlin’s decidedly below average ceiling is frustrating.

The challenge there is that I bet they would rather wait until Bishop has had a full offseason before they go down that path. Much like how Bernard and Williams looked bad in small sample sizes as rookies and were able to step up as year 2 starters.

It wouldn't shock me if they felt that Bishop would be too much of a liability this year and they don't want more of those plays like the 60+ yard TD to Collins that Bishop gave up because he misread the play.

The Bills have been clear that their #1 priority on defense is to limit chunk plays in the passing game. That's why they play nickel or dime 95%+ of the time.

Plus, Babich has been blitzing less and playing 2 high safeties more as compared to when McD was calling the defense last year. And as fans, we have no idea why that is. We just have to guess.

 

[Jim Bob]

The Magician

The Kansas City Chiefs' defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo is a master of illusion when it comes to scheme.

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Here is what Brady, Allen, and the Bills offense is up against on Sunday.

 

[missingmika]

There’s a reason all those Detroit teams sucked though. The 9 runs for 8 yards have more impact than the one for 50.

Unless it’s this game. Where 1 64 yard run was the game:

Patriots 14-10 Bills (Dec 6, 2021) Box Score - ESPN

Box score for the New England Patriots vs. Buffalo Bills NFL game from December 6, 2021 on ESPN. Includes all passing, rushing and receiving stats.

www.espn.com

 

[Dubi Doo]

Unless it’s this game. Where 1 64 yard run was the game:

Patriots 14-10 Bills (Dec 6, 2021) Box Score - ESPN

Box score for the New England Patriots vs. Buffalo Bills NFL game from December 6, 2021 on ESPN. Includes all passing, rushing and receiving stats.

www.espn.com

If Brady is coaching that game, we win. One of the great things about Brady compared to other OCs is he isnt afraid to rely on the run. Daboll still wanted Allen to be the focal point of wins even in a damn near hurricane!

 

[Jim Bob]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1856698169012232591

 

[26CornerBlitz]

Welp! The move to Flacco was a failure!

 

[Dirty Dog]

Welp! The move to Flacco was a failure!

What are the colts even doing? tear it down

 

[Jim Bob]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1856742652944711933

 

[misterchainsaw]

Last I checked the Bills defense has given up the most explosive plays in the NFL. There's no brownie points for those plays mostly coming as runs or YAC instead of deep bombs. I agree he's doing a good job of taking away over the top passes, but it's at the expense of everything else a safety is responsible for.

Also, he gave up the hail mary, so it's not zero.

First of all, we have to define the terms we're using here - I don't see the actual stat available anywhere, but anytime I've seen "explosive plays" discussed, it has a different yardage requirement for runs (10+) than passes(20+). So yes, it is by definition "better" to give up more explosive runs than passes. I also don't love 10 yards being the metric for "explosive run". Give up a 10 yard draw on 3rd and 17 and you've given up an "explosive play" but you've also forced a punt. Seems sketchy (which is why stats like DVOA and EPA are vastly superior to raw yards allowed and things like "explosive plays" which can't even maintain a consistent definition between runs and passes)

 

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[Jim Bob]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1856786340215652530

 

[K8fool]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1856786340215652530

Amish rifle becoming the heir apparent helping Mr Beerman represent the buffalo bills , shining lights on the herd mentality ( obeying league golf handicapping entertainment wwe) of an animal that can't decide weekly whether to honor the light or obscure , the human drama of athletic competition that myself and my fellow slaves prefer over entertaint....


even if Ryan is Vince McMahon s friend it zhibes6a cool light on buffalo

 

[Chaos2k7]

Amish rifle becoming the heir apparent helping Mr Beerman represent the buffalo bills , shining lights on the herd mentality ( obeying league golf handicapping entertainment wwe) of an animal that can't decide weekly whether to honor the light or obscure , the human drama of athletic competition that myself and my fellow slaves prefer over entertaint....


even if Ryan is Vince McMahon s friend it zhibes6a cool light on buffalo

I have not a clue to what you are referring to here...

 

[Kevbeau]

I have not a clue to what you are referring to here...

 

[K8fool]

I have not a clue to what you are referring to here...

since I don't know what it's like to travel w tour nfl 2024 nor the ins and outs from the scripts of pr and promotion for those employed w the nfl

I'm still happy for buffalo we have Ryan Fitz supporting us against NYC and the wwe zebras

It's shines a kind light on buffalo in these strange hunger games times w sports hopefully winning over 58 minutes especially leading up to a challenging and quite entertaining game that blurs all lines of opposition in nature for both teams at 4 on Sunday