Post-Game Talk: We Lost. Again. 52 Shots For. Small Building Steps. Can't Complain

[ThrowDemTongs]

This game would have gone differently if Price hadn't scored all those goals on us while simultaneously being a robot.

 

[hockeyes]

Guess which team leads the league in PDO so far? I'm sure nobody even needed to watch tonight to guess who, we all knew it when we saw the 8-0 record coming into tonight. This year is no different than any other for Montreal, look good here and there, make the playoffs and eventually get exposed for the pretenders they are. I doubt they win another cup before the Leafs at this stage unless they make some big changes. Great for selling tickets though I guess.

 

[Daisy Jane]

No we don't... but you leave out that we also beat the Wings, and shut out the Rangers and Blues. I find it interesting that you minimize the Habs performances by selecting those teams in your post but omit the better teams they played. Also, last year it was "you guys can't score and alot of your wins are on the back of Price" but now that all our wins are in regulation time and by more than 1 goal, you still hold the same narrative. We are a much more balanced team this year than last year.

because you are crowing about having a high goals for.
you put seven by Buffalo, and a collective 8 past the Leafs. You're average 3 goals against everyone else - but I don't know, if it they were against, I don't know Chicago, or Tampa or something , it would be a bit more awe inspiring . However. fine I did not acknowledge everyone that you played. even though i've stated several times FULLY the nine teams you played .

I'm sorry if I'm not kissing the feet of your team because it's 9 games in. again. Come back when it's game 79 and you're keeping it up and it's still a collective team effort, and everything is exactly (or better) than it is now, and I will gladly give the team credit they deserve. Honest.

You can't blame people for not getting all excited about your team, when it's not very evident that you still aren't "all Price". I personally don't see it. And to be fair - I don't follow your team that often, so maybe it's just the fact that Montreal/Leafs games are generally weird for the most part. . Your team - did not look that good out there to me tonight. . Did you win. yes. was it because of Price? mostly, but y'all took advantages of our mistakes (which - good for you, not being sarcastic that's what good teams do), and you won. But I never felt you dominated the Leafs. I didn't feel that on the home opener for the Leafs. and as I've been busy the last few weeks with baseball and other things, I haven't seen a lot of the games. maybe you looked better in them. I'll take your word for it.

it's just that I've been down this road a looooot of times. not just with the Leafs. and it's always the same old tune. y'all are lucky that you have Price so if it doesn't last - you're still really good. However, just for you


Your team is really good.
you aren't all just carey price
you score lots of goals and are all even and balanced.
shame on me for not acknowledging/giving the team the credit they wholeheartedly deserve.

shame, shame, shame. (ding)

(i am teasing , here, btw).

 

[mikebel111*]

Lol I don't think I have seen such an amimated/vigorous post by Daisy before

 

[-DeMo-]

If anyone that watched the game can say the Habs played better than the Leafs tonight I think they should be committed.The better goalie won,not the better team.

last time I checked the goalie is part of the team...

and I don't care how many shots you put on Price, if you give up 5 goals against, your gonna lose 99% of those games in the NHL.

 

[stavs*]

No we don't... but you leave out that we also beat the Wings, and shut out the Rangers and Blues. I find it interesting that you minimize the Habs performances by selecting those teams in your post but omit the better teams they played. Also, last year it was "you guys can't score and alot of your wins are on the back of Price" but now that all our wins are in regulation time and by more than 1 goal, you still hold the same narrative. We are a much more balanced team this year than last year.

not that impressive tbh when your only real competition has been from 2 teams (Rangers, Blues). Some teams start off hot and then begin to lose when other teams get their hockey legs back. It could even take up to 20 games before we start seeing the majority of the teams in the league playing to their potential, it happens in all sports. Look at the Raptors last year, came out looking like the best team in the league at the beginning of the season and then got swept by the Wizards in the playoffs. Then look at the Ducks too, do you honestly think with all that talent on their team is indicative of their current record so far? Obviously not, they are just playing very poor, just like the Habs are playing very well.

At the end of the season, it will all balance out as some teams will heat up and the Habs will cool down. Right now it looks like the Habs are getting some lucky bounces, and things seem to be going their way every game, but that will change because I don't see the skill on that team keeping pace with the results they have shown so far. The Habs will be a top team in the East for sure, but make no mistake you are not even close to being as good as your record has shown thus far since you haven't really been tested yet. Putting up a majority of your goals on weak teams and then gloating about it is laughable and far from impressive. Beat Nashville, Tampa, Dallas, Chicago, Caps etc then come back and talk to us

 

[mcleex]

Phaneuf is a little *****. Fake tough guy. He got rocked on that hit by Weiss of all people then chases after him out of embarrassment

Of course fake tough guy does nothing tho but take a penalty. If you're gonna try to be intimidating then ****ing do something. And don't get me started on his PP. Either he smashes a shot 20 ft wide of the net or right off the guys shin pads

I've never seen a lazier player in my life. No hockey IQ what so ever. Can't wait till he is no longer the captain

 

[mcleex]

Also lol @ people getting jealous about Hab fans gloating. They are 9-0-0 if we started the season like that we would be feeling good too

Yea they rely on their goalie but guess what its working and until they get eliminated in the playoffs then they can gloat. Meanwhile we have 2 goalies that are sieves. Reimer has the worst glove hand in the world and Bernier just lets regular slap shots go by him.

 

[diceman934]

Why are Habs fans allowed to post in our post game thread?

It is trolling in my eyes!

 

[mikebel111*]

Though I will say justice well served who was saying "Frenchies" to the Habs. And also saying "let's finish these Frenchies"

And surprise surprise, that poster hasn't posted on the PGT.

 

[stavs*]

Also lol @ people getting jealous about Hab fans gloating. They are 9-0-0 if we started the season like that we would be feeling good too

Yea they rely on their goalie but guess what its working and until they get eliminated in the playoffs then they can gloat. Meanwhile we have 2 goalies that are sieves. Reimer has the worst glove hand in the world and Bernier just lets regular slap shots go by him.

I don't think anyone is jealous, its just not that impressive when most of your wins have come from bottom 10 teams. Its awesome when you look at it like your making it out to be, but when you see the teams they played, there are really only 2 that were good.

 

[Daisy Jane]

Also lol @ people getting jealous about Hab fans gloating. They are 9-0-0 if we started the season like that we would be feeling good too

Yea they rely on their goalie but guess what its working and until they get eliminated in the playoffs then they can gloat. Meanwhile we have 2 goalies that are sieves. Reimer has the worst glove hand in the world and Bernier just lets regular slap shots go by him.

why would we ... be jealous of them winning nine in a row?

whose jealous?

 

[TMLegend]

For all of those saying Bernier was subpar, which goals should of Bernier had back?

First one was a bomb by Subban walking down broadway which he got a big piece of.

Second one was a great individual play by Galchenyuk to put a backhander on the net and he generated a rebound for Eller to put in.

Third goal against was Grabner redirecting the puck into his own goal.

fourth one was a two on one with one of the best goal scorers in the NHL bearing down on him.

Fifth goal Subban had a clear lane to slap pass the puck to Gallagher for the redirect.

Bernier was fine, the defensive breakdowns in front of him on the other hand? Ooh boy. 3 breakaways against, odd man rushes galore, Subban himself had three open looks at the net just in the first period. The one player who you're not supposed to let tee off on a whim and Leafs didn't cover him. And that's just off the top of my head. Anyone blaming Bernier is just looking for a scapegoat in my opinion.

 

[mikebel111*]

Bernier made some huge saves however I think that 4th one he needs to have. I mean it went right through him

 

[mcleex]

why would we ... be jealous of them winning nine in a row?

whose jealous?

People are pissed that they did the Ole chant and **** and trying to downplay the Habs success

Yea their team isn't the greatest but they have a superstar goalie and a solid defenseman in Subban. They are 9-0-0, even if they are beating bad teams they are doing what they have to do

 

[Daisy Jane]

I don't think anyone is jealous, its just not that impressive when most of your wins have come from bottom 10 teams. Its awesome when you look at it like your making it out to be, but when you see the teams they played, there are really only 2 that were good.

that's not fair. not two


like I said - these are the teams that they've faced

Leafs: we could have won that game. we didn't.
Boston: they don't get a cookie from me with that team. they ALWAYS play Boston tough and well.

Ottawa. They're decent
the Rangers. Impressive. they're the Rangers
the Red Wings -they don't look/sound that hot to me. just saying . but whatever .
Blues. Impressive

Pittsburgh - slow start by everyone's standards

Buffalo. They're buffalo

Toronto. again. could have been a different result, but we shot ourselves in the foot. they captalized, good on them

if this was I don't know the western gauntlet (though Anaheim sucks monkeybutt right now), or if they were like every single hot team in the league -he ll if this was even in the middle of November/December and everyone has their groove on, it would be different. It's like Us going on our 7-0 streak to start a season (where, FYI we also beat good teams) - but it just didn't seem right.

but again, i'll acknowledge i'm not that up todate with all the comings and goings on with the league.maybe they are all cracking good, and i'm diminishing things.

to me, i don't see a juggarnaught team.

 

[Snow Dog]

Also lol @ people getting jealous about Hab fans gloating. They are 9-0-0 if we started the season like that we would be feeling good too

Yea they rely on their goalie but guess what its working and until they get eliminated in the playoffs then they can gloat. Meanwhile we have 2 goalies that are sieves. Reimer has the worst glove hand in the world and Bernier just lets regular slap shots go by him.

Angry are we?

 

[Daisy Jane]

People are pissed that they did the Ole chant and **** and trying to downplay the Habs success

Yea their team isn't the greatest but they have a superstar goalie and a solid defenseman in Subban. They are 9-0-0, even if they are beating bad teams they are doing what they have to do

what?

 

[stavs*]

For all of those saying Bernier was subpar, which goals should of Bernier had back?

First one was a bomb by Subban walking down broadway which he got a big piece of.

Second one was a great individual play by Galchenyuk to put a backhander on the net and he generated a rebound for Eller to put in.

Third goal against was Grabner redirecting the puck into his own goal.

fourth one was a two on one with one of the best goal scorers in the NHL bearing down on him.

Fifth goal Subban had a clear lane to slap pass the puck to Gallagher for the redirect.

Bernier was fine, the defensive breakdowns in front of him on the other hand? Ooh boy. 3 breakaways against, odd man rushes galore, Subban himself had three open looks at the net just in the first period. The one player who you're not supposed to let tee off on a whim and Leafs didn't cover him. And that's just off the top of my head. Anyone blaming Bernier is just looking for a scapegoat in my opinion.

Goal 3 and 4 come to mind, he could have easily saved goal 3 if his pad was on the ice where it should always be, he couldn't lay his leg down on the ice quick enough and it slipped through. Not even a hard redirection either, had more than enough time to get that pad along the ice.

Goal 4 was a weak 5-hole. Can't give up those kinds of goals if you want to be a starter in the NHL. This isn't the first time he's let in these types of goals either.

 

[TMLegend]

Goal 3 and 4 come to mind, he could have easily saved goal 3 if his pad was on the ice where it should always be, he couldn't lay his leg down on the ice quick enough and it slipped through. Not even a hard redirection either, had more than enough time to get that pad along the ice.

When a goaltender slides left to right or vice versa in the butterfly the leg he uses to push off always come off the ice, so no a goaltenders pads aren't always flat against the ice, and as far as the deflection goals it was pretty bang-bang, maybe a half second at most to react.

Goal 4 was a weak 5-hole. Can't give up those kinds of goals if you want to be a starter in the NHL. This isn't the first time he's let in these types of goals either.

Why? just because it was 5-hole? So if he got beat glove high or far side blocker it wouldn't have been a weak goal? I'll never understand the logic that every goal that goes 5-hole is weak.. The fact of the matter is when you give Max Pacioretty of all people an opportunity like that he's gonna score a large percentage of the time.

 

[hockeyes]

Goal 3 and 4 come to mind, he could have easily saved goal 3 if his pad was on the ice where it should always be, he couldn't lay his leg down on the ice quick enough and it slipped through. Not even a hard redirection either, had more than enough time to get that pad along the ice.

Goal 4 was a weak 5-hole. Can't give up those kinds of goals if you want to be a starter in the NHL. This isn't the first time he's let in these types of goals either.

I agree, goal 3/4 were bad. Sure, 3 was bad luck but it was still an easy save for 95% of the goalies in the league. 4 was just downright terrible.

Not to mention, you expect your #1 in the league to be able to "steal" a few saves, come up big here and there, Bernier hasn't done that much and let everything else through, so even if you justify every goal, he's still failing to step up and show his worth. Anyone can make the routine saves (except Bernier apparently) it's what else they bring that makes them a great player or not.

I'm not sure why anyone is trying to defend this guy, he's done nothing to make him a legit starter in this league his entire career. A few hot streaks here and there mean nothing when he can't be reliable day to day.

 

[Primary Assist]

Rielly will be good, Leafs will be good, pucks in deep, give it all you got you know?

 

[TMLegend]

I agree, goal 3/4 were bad. Sure, 3 was bad luck but it was still an easy save for 95% of the goalies in the league. 4 was just downright terrible.

Not to mention, you expect your #1 in the league to be able to "steal" a few saves, come up big here and there, Bernier hasn't done that much and let everything else through, so even if you justify every goal, he's still failing to step up and show his worth. Anyone can make the routine saves (except Bernier apparently) it's what else they bring that makes them a great player or not.

I'm not sure why anyone is trying to defend this guy, he's done nothing to make him a legit starter in this league his entire career. A few hot streaks here and there mean nothing when he can't be reliable day to day.

He stopped three breakaways in this game, if that's isn't stealing a few saves I don't know what is. But you know what, blame the goalie, I don't care, I'm done here.

 

[stavs*]

When a goaltender slides left to right or vice versa in the butterfly the leg he uses to push off always come off the ice, so no a goaltenders pads aren't always flat against the ice, and as far as the deflection goals it was pretty bang-bang, maybe a half second at most to react.



Why? just because it was 5-hole? So if he got beat glove high or far side blocker it wouldn't have been a weak goal? I'll never understand the logic that every goal that goes 5-hole is weak.. The fact of the matter is when you give Max Pacioretty of all people an opportunity like that he's gonna score a large percentage of the time.

I've seen good goalies make saves on goal #3 multiple times. Look at the good goalies, they very rarely let those in unless its a wicked deflection

When the broadcasters are even saying the 5-hole goal was weak, you don't need to be a hockey expert to see it was weak. If Bernier wants to be a good goalie and starter in the NHL for that matter, he's got to stop letting these types of goals in. He's been letting in poor goals since he signed with the Leafs.

I was on the Bernier bandwagon when he signed, but I'm done sugarcoating his play and taking the blame off him. If he sucks, I'll just tell it how it is.

 

[ConnorTO]

not to bang on berns but...

some weak goals man