We didn’t know what we had

[Throw More Waffles]

I'm not optimistic, I just think it is silly that people say you can't win with 4 forwards taking up 50% of your cap or that the Leafs need to completely change everything.

It's silly to suggest that we shouldn't be trying a 100% unprecedented experiment during Matthews prime years?

 

[sparxx87]

I'm not optimistic, I just think it is silly that people say you can't win with 4 forwards taking up 50% of your cap or that the Leafs need to completely change everything.

Which 4 forwards? Are two of them prime Crosby and Malkin?

Leafs need a GM who understands how to win hockey games, not how to pick players off a spreadsheet.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

who made the Pageau deal ?
who finely convinced Sorokin to leave Russia ?
who hired Trotz ?

I remember everyone saying he got duped for picking up Pageau and then signing him to a $5M deal....well..if that's duped...dupe me every day of the week.

 

[AllDay28]

Dude, the window is already crushed. It's a team of playoff pansies. They can't win playoff series. Their failure point is just the 1st round of the playoffs instead of missing playoff qualification. They're not winning in their current configuration.

playoff pansies lmfaoooo. Like when did you play in the NHL?

imagine calling professionals in a sport pansies while you get heated and angered on your computer over a sport on a forum.

be mad at a team.. just know Marner himself would take your head off in a game of hockey. Holy f***. Keyboard warriors man

 

[Brobust]

I remember everyone saying he got duped for picking up Pageau and then signing him to a $5M deal....well..if that's duped...dupe me every day of the week.

JGP is a 40-45 point player who is having 1 hot playoffs.

It's a shit trade and a shit contract.

 

[Gurglesons]

Which 4 forwards? Are two of them prime Crosby and Malkin?

Leafs need a GM who understands how to win hockey games, not how to pick players off a spreadsheet.

Tampa Bay has the most involved analytics department in the league.

 

[Gurglesons]

It's silly to suggest that we shouldn't be trying a 100% unprecedented experiment during Matthews prime years?

No, you should trade Marner for a "# 1 D" because that's what exactly....

0. Stanley Cup Champions have done in the last ten years.

 

[AllDay28]

Tampa Bay has the most involved analytics department in the league.

I appreciate the shit out of everything you’re saying. You’re never gonna change the minds of the people you’re arguing with. They like being miserable.

 

[AllDay28]

No, you should trade Marner for a "# 1 D" because that's what exactly....

0. Stanley Cup Champions have done in the last ten years.

they act like the defense which Dubas put together was bad. Like Reilly/Muzzin/Brodie is a bad core of dmen. They don’t know what they want other than to cry

 

[mydnyte]

Lou's islanders appear to have taken many steps forward while dubas and the leafs have been running backwards.

Do you actually believe the things you post?

all Lou has done for the Isles is hire the best available Coach, which was a fluke that he was available, and saddle them with a bunch of really bad contracts that will be exposed pretty soon.

 

[Gurglesons]

I appreciate the shit out of everything you’re saying. You’re never gonna change the minds of the people you’re arguing with. They like being miserable.

PIT and Toronto fans seem to share that in common. People are trying to equate our exit this year to the exit in 2019.

The NHL is based on cycles. You overcome those cycles by having the best players you possibly can. Moving one of Marner or Matthews right now makes no sense. If they could get out of the Tavares contract, I'd advocate it, but doubtful that happens.

Nylander was just their best player, so why move that. Even if you hate the core, you're stuck with them because you would be opening yourself up to be taken advantage of.

 

[Papa Cherry]

they act like the defense which Dubas put together was bad. Like Reilly/Muzzin/Brodie is a bad core of dmen. They don’t know what they want other than to cry

Its the first time in a while we've had a solid defensive core. They made Campbell look better than he is.

 

[Le Cobra]

There was a time TB was in our position. Couldnt break out in the playoffs. Perhaps we are in growing pains.

 

[Superstar]

I remember everyone saying he got duped for picking up Pageau and then signing him to a $5M deal....well..if that's duped...dupe me every day of the week.

Pageau is a very good and effective player...he came out to play every time the Sens played the Leafs.

 

[Garthinater]

all Lou has done for the Isles is hire the best available Coach, which was a fluke that he was available, and saddle them with a bunch of really bad contracts that will be exposed pretty soon.

Lol was no other team trying to hire trotz?

Btw trotz even said he only went to the Islanders because of lou.

You fan boys have been wrong about the islanders for 3 years. Might as well keep the streak going with these terrible takes.

 

[Mess]

I remember everyone saying he got duped for picking up Pageau and then signing him to a $5M deal....well..if that's duped...dupe me every day of the week.

How do you like this duping??

J.G. Pageau @ $5.0 mil AAV has played in 32 playoff games the last 2 years since Lou Lam acquired him and he has 11 goals 13 assists and 24 points.
vs
Auston Matthews @ $11.6 AAV has played in 32 playoff games over 5 years since Lou Lam drafted him and he has 13 goals 11 assists and 24 points.

NYI 3rd line centre in just his last 2 playoff years has produced = #'s to Matthews his entire Leafs playoff career to date.

No wonder NYIs are in the final 4 when you can build a deep team like that.

Then again Leaf Nation can still be happy as Lou Lam left us a Calder, Rocket Richard winner, and Hart finalist as he spreads his success across numerous teams.

 

[Garthinater]

But the difference between Matthews and Marner and Tavares and Nylander versus the difference between Crosby and Malkin and Kessel and Hornqvist equals out.

I dunno man, I think you need to step back and look at what happened with the Leafs the last few years in the playoffs. This year IMO is the only one that can be considered a disappointment and even then you lost Tavares and Muzzin and had Andersen riding the pine. For a team allocating cap to its big dogs like the Leafs they can't afford to recover from that.

16-17 - Surprise playoff team
17-18 - Kadri suspension ruins depth.
18-19 - Kadri suspension ruins depth
19-20 - COVID / Muzzin injury
20-21 - Muzzin / Tavares injury

I don't see the big push to do something different.

Crosby >> matthews
Malkin >> marner
Kessel < jt
Horn < nylander

It does not even out.

We lost to a jackets team that didn't have bread man, bob or duchene in a 5 game qualifier. Our goalie posted a .935+ SV%. We lost to korpisalo and merzlikins. Thats embarrassing.

Do you know the definition of insanity?

No team has won with 50% of their cap tied up in 4 forwards. We've tried for 2 years and you guys want to keep trying this same failed experiment? It makes no sense.

Only 1 of the top 16 highest paid players won a single round this year. We have 3 of the top 7.

Add on that the cap is supposed to be relatively flat for the next 4-5 years which is our window with matthews on his current deal.

Dubas inherited a 105 point team and after 3 years has nothing to show but 1st round exits and a qualifier loss, a bottom third prospect pool, only a handful of draft picks over the next 2 years and almost no cap space.

How many years do you let a gm ruin a team before you move on?

 

[AllDay28]

Lol was no other team trying to hire trotz?

Btw trotz even said he only went to the Islanders because of lou.

You fan boys have been wrong about the islanders for 3 years. Might as well keep the streak going with these terrible takes.

Trotz is believed to be interested in coaching next season, and the only current vacancy is with the New York Islanders, a divisional opponent.


Uhh..ya .. only wanted to play for Lou .. aka only job that was available. But hey, keep the terrible streak of takes going

 

[Garthinater]

Trotz is believed to be interested in coaching next season, and the only current vacancy is with the New York Islanders, a divisional opponent.


Uhh..ya .. only wanted to play for Lou .. aka only job that was available. But hey, keep the terrible streak of takes going

So you honestly think no other team tried to hire trotz?

Teams can fire their coach and hire a new one. Or are you unaware of this?

Dubas did that with Babcock and apparently didn't interview any candidates. He just gave the job to his buddy keefe lmao

 

[AllDay28]

So you honestly think no other team tried to hire trotz?

Teams can fire their coach and hire a new one. Or are you unaware of this?

Dubas did that with Babcock and apparently didn't interview any candidates. He just gave the job to his buddy keefe lmao

“It’s good to be wanted,” he said. “It happened really quickly because you go from one emotion of winning the cup to the next emotion of leaving the team that you just won the Cup with, and you have to make some quick decisions. I know the timing of it—end of the season, the draft coming up, free agency [and] all that—there was some urgency on that. Both parties knew that, so we went to work at it and got it done.”

 

[Gurglesons]

Crosby >> matthews
Malkin >> marner
Kessel < jt
Horn < nylander

It does not even out.

We lost to a jackets team that didn't have bread man, bob or duchene in a 5 game qualifier. Our goalie posted a .935+ SV%. We lost to korpisalo and merzlikins. Thats embarrassing.

Do you know the definition of insanity?

No team has won with 50% of their cap tied up in 4 forwards. We've tried for 2 years and you guys want to keep trying this same failed experiment? It makes no sense.

Only 1 of the top 16 highest paid players won a single round this year. We have 3 of the top 7.

Add on that the cap is supposed to be relatively flat for the next 4-5 years which is our window with matthews on his current deal.

Dubas inherited a 105 point team and after 3 years has nothing to show but 1st round exits and a qualifier loss, a bottom third prospect pool, only a handful of draft picks over the next 2 years and almost no cap space.

How many years do you let a gm ruin a team before you move on?

Glad I got to reread the same posts made on the Penguins forum circa 2012, 2013, 2014, and 2015.

Pens will never win with Malkin, Sid and Letang taking up 40% of the cap. Chicago wins by depth, we need to move Geno or Letang. Letang can't play defensive hockey, he leeches off Sid and Geno. Our best winger is a 36 year old Chris Kunitz and he is a permitter player.

Fleury is the worst playoff goalie in history. Our prospect pool is the worst prospect pool in the league. Shero can't draft.

Cue 2015-16 and 16-17. Letang puts in a Smythe worthy run. All of Shero's draft picks in Rust, Murray, Guentzel and Maatta have huge roles. Etc etc.

The definition of insanity is allowing emotion to be involved in these decisions.

There is a clear cut path this off season. You let Hyman and Andersen walk. You cycle out the pieces. You try and find the fit. 95% chance it doesn't work. That's why so few teams win a championship. But the ones that do win often have cores like Toronto. See PIT, Washington, LA, Tampa, etc. that have been built through the draft and retained.

 

[Kurtz]

Toews, Hossa, Keith, Seabrook, Bolland, Hjalmarsson etc had a ton of grit

Crosby ain't no pansy, the ultimate grinder...team behind him good too

I'd add on top WSH...Backstrom, Ovechkin, Wilson, Oshie...yea skill guys but they cycle and go heavy traffic areas

We're not set up like those other teams. Their players were generally their best players in the playoffs and play a playoff style game. Leafs crumble vs the neutral zone trap and generally get kept to the outside.

Sure, but Tampa are the reigning champs, and a current favourite to repeat. Their core players are Point, Kucherov, Stamkos, Hedman. Does that seem like a bunch of tough hombres?

Tampa showed us last year that you can take a skilled core, surround them with toughness, and win. It's a good model for our team to try to follow.

 

[Kurtz]

Matthews didn’t succeed. He failed to produce. When you are considered a franchise player and paid that kind of money results talk not not almost’s and nearly…….those are just excuses for not getting the job done

Ok, but what's your point? 97% of NHLers don't succeed every year. Matthews, Mcdavid and Mckinnon were the 3 best players in the league this year. Mcdavid scored 1 playoff goal against a weak Winnipeg team. Mckinnon only scored in the 7-1 game against Vegas. This isn't the NBA - you can't win a championship on the back of 1-2 players...

 

[AllDay28]

I think hockey fans forget that it’s a 60 min game and most top forwards play 33% of the entire game. That’s 67% where shit happens that’s not your fault.

 

[Superstar]

I think hockey fans forget that it’s a 60 min game and most top forwards play 33% of the entire game. That’s 67% where shit happens that’s not your fault.

Well, if you're suppose to produce when you're on the ice, but don't...then yeah, it's part of your fault.