WCSF Gm 5 ... too little too late

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At this point, take your chances and bump Carter to play with Kopitar and Gaborik and dress Vey between Pearson and Toffoli. Seeing how centers like Perreault and Bonino have had their way against the Kings' centers, might as well throw someone in there who can at least make things happen when the puck is on their stick.
 
@AbbeyMastracco: On John Gibson, Sutter sarcastically says "He's the best goalie I've ever seen. I don't know how we ever got one past him tonight."

I am tired of Sutter and his bs presser. He made too many bones head moves. I think it is time to bring in a new coach.
 
At this point, take your chances and bump Carter to play with Kopitar and Gaborik and dress Vey between Pearson and Toffoli. Seeing how centers like Perreault and Bonino have had their way against the Kings' centers, might as well throw someone in there who can at least make things happen when the puck is on their stick.

I would try Vey on the wing first, make the game simple for him.

He would just have to use his skill and speed, not have to worry about Center ice.
 
At this point, take your chances and bump Carter to play with Kopitar and Gaborik and dress Vey between Pearson and Toffoli. Seeing how centers like Perreault and Bonino have had their way against the Kings' centers, might as well throw someone in there who can at least make things happen when the puck is on their stick.

It's games like this, and watching Anaheim that you see that having rookies play in the playoffs is not a big of a deal as people make it out to be. I like that idea
 
Hard to believe the Kings made it to the 2nd round with both Richards and Stoll on the roster, huh?

Cute post. Guess you don't want to dispute any of the items I posted, would just rather take a cheap shot, got it. Typical Richards defender, doesn't want to argue anything tangible.

And I have not been critical of Stoll much at all lately. He is what he is, an average third line center who is paid like a very good one. I don't think he has been very good this series but he did add a physical element to the Kings in the SJ series when others weren't willing to do it. But the Kings aren't going to win or lose series because of Stoll (despite what some people tried to say about the SJ series last year)

But the Kings will absolutely lose games and series next year and in the future if MR is back on the roster, especially in an important spot like 2nd line. And I see no way MR is back here next year unless Sutter and Dean somehow think he can be a 2nd liner. They won't pay him $6 million to center Andreoff and Lewis.
 
I'm not saying that you're wrong, but why in the HELL does this make you "glad?" What could possibly make you "glad" about seeing the Kings be stuck with a player that can't preform pursuant to his pay grade? "I told you so" bragging rights on a message board?

I'll tell you this right now: I'd be happy to admit that I was wrong about everything I ever said pertaining to the Los Angeles Kings if it meant seeing them succeed on the ice.

"Glad" to be right about my team sucking? My ****ing balls.

Kings in 7, mother****ers!

Nobody should be glad that a player who had some success and had a pretty big role in their team winning the SC 2 short years ago seems, for whatever reason, to be having a rough time of it. Brown, Carter and, to some extent, Kopitar have all had their down periods and have certainly heard about it on these boards. But it's a tough "team" sport and one player doesn't win or lose it for you. Sure, I'd like Mike Richards to have more of a role in winning games and I expect him to. But it's depressing when one player is continually singled out by some as being almost the sole reason for the team's failure. And when that player does have the odd decent game, those same pollsters say nothing
 
Nobody should be glad that a player who had some success and had a pretty big role in their team winning the SC 2 short years ago seems, for whatever reason, to be having a rough time of it. Brown, Carter and, to some extent, Kopitar have all had their down periods and have certainly heard about it on these boards. But it's a tough "team" sport and one player doesn't win or lose it for you. Sure, I'd like Mike Richards to have more of a role in winning games and I expect him to. But it's depressing when one player is continually singled out by some as being almost the sole reason for the team's failure. And when that player does have the odd decent game, those same pollsters say nothing

Feel bad for Mike.

It has to take it's toll on your mind when you see your game just slide.

He seems like he knows what play to make, but his body is not getting him there for what ever reason.

Well you can't play forever I guess. Not everyone is Lidstrom or Jagr
 
And when that player does have the odd decent game, those same pollsters say nothing

This coming from the guy who decided to come on here after MR had his first good game in months and say "where are Herby and his ilk" only to disappear when MR had another dozen or so awful games right after.

You accuse others of being biased or singling out players, but you have done the same things.

Look, I realize he is one of your favorite players, your posting history of entering into threads about him on this board and other sub forums tells us that. But how do you expect people to react when a guy making as much money as he made this year and is slated to make until the next decade plays as poorly as he did this year. He was without question one of the worst players on the team, it wasn't just a bad statistical season like guys have, his entire game has COLLAPSED since 2012. No speed, no defense, no physical play, no longer a SH threat (one of the things that made him great in Philly). All those things are gone and very likely will never be back, and he is signed through 2020.
 
At this point, take your chances and bump Carter to play with Kopitar and Gaborik and dress Vey between Pearson and Toffoli. Seeing how centers like Perreault and Bonino have had their way against the Kings' centers, might as well throw someone in there who can at least make things happen when the puck is on their stick.

How about, in no particular order:

Gaborik-Kopitar-Brown
King-Carter-Lewis (Yes, I dare say this, especially when I read Trevor's scouting report: dude has good speed, while he and Jeff can do baits and switches)
Pearson-Toffoli-Vey (Toffoli and Vey can switch RW/C duties on the ice for some baits and switches)
Clifford-Stoll-Williams

Any objections? Counter-propose.
 
McNabb will be on the roster to avoid waivers next year, but guys he is a work in progress still.

He couldn't crack Buffalo's blue-line full time, think about that for a sec.

His foot speed is slightly above Greene's, his outlet pass (first pass) needs work.

Taper you thoughts accordingly.

Meh, Buffalo has a sick defensive pipeline. One of the best in the league.

These peaks and valleys this year have taken so much out of me. It's hard to not be emotionally attached. With that said, re-sign Gaborik. To let him walk and keep some of the scrubs would be criminal.

This is spot on. The exact way I've been feeling. After the Ducks kept scoring I didn't even shake my head and when the Kings started scoring I didn't even get excited. Just so frustrating to see a team play like **** for a bunch of games, then play like the best team in the NHL, and then revert back to ****. I've become numb.
 
I do believe the Kings will win on Wednesday, but it's going to be hard to win a second Game 7 on the road in back to back series.

I think they tough out a 2-1 or 3-1 type win on Wednesday then you just hope Quick can pull a Quick.
 
McNabb will be on the roster to avoid waivers next year, but guys he is a work in progress still.

He couldn't crack Buffalo's blue-line full time, think about that for a sec.

His foot speed is slightly above Greene's, his outlet pass (first pass) needs work.

Taper you thoughts accordingly.

You were told why in another thread--it's not because he's not good enough. The foot speed criticisms are sure apt, but it's disingenuous to throw the Buffalo line out there when every reason given was that they were pretty much protecting the prospects from the lineup.

@AbbeyMastracco: On John Gibson, Sutter sarcastically says "He's the best goalie I've ever seen. I don't know how we ever got one past him tonight."

That's fantastic :laugh:

Well, I'm done giving the NHL my money for the playoffs, so we may actually win a game. I'm 0-4 this year now.

Should have taken this game, bad lapses cost us, and Ducks will bury us in a way SJ couldn't. Zero margin for error was fine once, you can't do that twice. We may win game 6, but I doubt we win 7 now. Too many team mental lapses for that. I hate to play the 'what if' game, but the combination of posts, bad bounces, bad passes, brain farts, bad penalties, all is adding up to our losses. We let the Ducks off the hook and now we're boned. It's not I don't have faith in our team, it's that I believe the Ducks are that much better than SJ and actually have guys with the balls to take over the game as well as working hard enough to create their own luck on the lower lines.

Muzzin, vomit. I knew it was going to be one of those nights the moment he fell.

J Schultz has been surprisingly fine, he's just miscast at 2nd pairing. The guy is an average bottom pairing guy, and i've liked his game, he's just in the wrong spot vs. the wrong team. If he played there all year he'd probably look better than Regehr (minus the PK), but walking right into this hellhole makes him look remarkably average. No foot speed, no thread of a great breakout pass, just passable. But I mean that in a good way--he's a good bottom pairing guy and deserves to be in the NHL.

Greene, I said in the GDT, I'm really disappointed. Total bummer.

You never thought we'd miss Mitchell and Regehr but they're showing their value imo. If you're going to have hulking slow defenseman, they have to at least be able to punish, PK, and get the puck out. Mitchell was actually a surprisingly decent puckmover on top of that and was the premier shutdown d-man in the league in his time. It's a shame injuries have taken their toll, but I'd love to see him back. Regehr is similar, but as the Hawks and Ducks have shown us, there's not really room for more than 2 strictly defensive d-men on the roster. The ducks sat their physical guy and brought in Vatanen and goodbye forecheck. I can't imagine running another guy out there who is a threat, would be fantastic for our game.

The good thing about going this far, if it's the end of the road, is this is two consecutive postseasons showing us our weaknesses and who needs to go. I am a-ok with that. Bottom 6 needs hunger and life. Doughty could use a partner but imo that's low priority next to signing Gaborik and shoring up our D. Bye Fraser, bye Greene, bye one of Clifford/Nolan, hello Andreoff, Hello McNabb, maybe goodbye Mitchell/regehr and hello Gravel/Schultz, maybe hello Shore/Weal.

And this will mean a lot coming from me, hopefully, but bye Richards, unless it comes out he was hiding a major injury or had been possessed by an alien overlord.

Brown will be back with a vengeance.

Oh, and even though I've said Gibson will be the best in the league in his time, he had a horseshoe up his ass tonight. He didn't see the pucks that were hitting him 1/3 of the time, was looking completely the wrong direction at other times. I'm confident we'll get to him--hell, we already have, 3 should be enough to win a game.

It's not over, but I have more respect for the Ducks' game than the Sharks--this is a tall, tall order.
 
How about, in no particular order:

Gaborik-Kopitar-Brown
King-Carter-Lewis (Yes, I dare say this, especially when I read Trevor's scouting report: dude has good speed, while he and Jeff can do baits and switches)
Pearson-Toffoli-Vey (Toffoli and Vey can switch RW/C duties on the ice for some baits and switches)
Clifford-Stoll-Williams

Any objections? Counter-propose.

Full marks for being Creative.

That fourth line. Interesting.

Second line as well.
 
Greene was bad but A-Mart turned a puck over to Getz goal....

A-Mart lost coverage on his man goal.....

That pairing just had an awful night.

Wasn't just Greene though.

Greene should have fed Kopi and not Martinez. Martinez had no good options.
 
Feel bad for Mike.

It has to take it's toll on your mind when you see your game just slide.

He seems like he knows what play to make, but his body is not getting him there for what ever reason.

Well you can't play forever I guess. Not everyone is Lidstrom or Jagr

The damn thing about it is he may just be having a poor year for some physical, maybe psycological reason (fearful of more concussions maybe), the Kings will unload him (not that he would mind financially) and he'll come back as a top notch number 2 center playing for some eastern offensive minded team with tons of power play time, points and playoffs. The man is only 29 years old.
 
I wish I was as confident as you guys. I could easily see someone taking a penalty in the opening minutes and the Kings playing from behind for 50+ minutes. It's becoming a twisted trend.
 
The damn thing about it is he may just be having a poor year for some physical, maybe psycological reason (fearful of more concussions maybe), the Kings will unload him (not that he would mind financially) and he'll come back as a top notch number 2 center playing for some eastern offensive minded team with tons of power play time, points and playoffs. The man is only 29 years old.

That might be the Best for Mike Richards and the Kings .

Maybe Mike's body can no longer play this style. Parting ways would be best if that is indeed the case.

I want Richards to succeed with any team he plays for, Guy is a good person and a warrior.
 
How about, in no particular order:

Gaborik-Kopitar-Brown
King-Carter-Lewis (Yes, I dare say this, especially when I read Trevor's scouting report: dude has good speed, while he and Jeff can do baits and switches)
Pearson-Toffoli-Vey (Toffoli and Vey can switch RW/C duties on the ice for some baits and switches)
Clifford-Stoll-Williams

Any objections? Counter-propose.

Why can't we keep Carter with the two younger players, they are doing pretty well. We can't keep putting terrible players with Carter and expecting him to produce. He is good but he isn't Wayne Gretzky, he needs speed and skill around him and TT and TP provide that.

I don't think Clifford will be back anytime soon and DS isn't scratching Richards for Vey.

Gaborik - Kopitar - Brown
Pearson - Carter - Toffoli
Lewis - Stoll - Williams
King - Richards - (Insert black ace)

Muzzin - Doughty
Martinez - (Insert black ace)
Schultz - Voynov

I want nothing to do with Greene, Clifford or Nolan going forward.
 
The damn thing about it is he may just be having a poor year for some physical, maybe psycological reason (fearful of more concussions maybe), the Kings will unload him (not that he would mind financially) and he'll come back as a top notch number 2 center playing for some eastern offensive minded team with tons of power play time, points and playoffs. The man is only 29 years old.

I agree. I want to believe it's an injury or psychological or something, but I can only work with what I'm given.

Full marks for being Creative.

That fourth line. Interesting.

Second line as well.

Haha agreed, props for thinking outside the box.

I was oddly intrigued by Carter and Gaborik tonight, too...

I wish I was as confident as you guys. I could easily see someone taking a penalty in the opening minutes and the Kings playing from behind for 50+ minutes. It's becoming a twisted trend.

You know, I'd like to see what happens if we take a lead on Gibson. He's been too comfortable so far anyway. First goal is HUGE on Wed.
 
Richards - Kopitar - Gaborik
Pearson - Carter - Toffoli
Brown - Stoll - Williams
King - Lewis - Nolan

Roll it.
 
Who was Kopitar fighting with at center ice after his penalty? Checked some guy with his stick, who I guess was on his kness holding him, who then slashed him in turn.
 
Why can't we keep Carter with the two younger players, they are doing pretty well. We can't keep putting terrible players with Carter and expecting him to produce. He is good but he isn't Wayne Gretzky, he needs speed and skill around him and TT and TP provide that.

I don't think Clifford will be back anytime soon and DS isn't scratching Richards for Vey.

Gaborik - Kopitar - Brown
Pearson - Carter - Toffoli
Lewis - Stoll - Williams
King - Richards - (Insert black ace)

Muzzin - Doughty
Martinez - (Insert black ace)
Schultz - Voynov

I want nothing to do with Greene, Clifford or Nolan going forward.

Gaborik - Kopitar - Brown
Pearson - Carter - Toffoli
Lewis - Stoll - Williams
King - Richards - Andreoff

Muzzin - Doughty
Martinez - Bodnarchuk/McNabb
Schultz - Voynov

Roll Doughty out on the PK instead of Greene. Let the black ace sit on the point on the PP with whoever the hell else.

Oh, and someone on Twitter suggested we may get Mitchell back, so there's that. If so, I'd roll Muzzin-Doughty/Martinez-Mitchell/Schultz-Voynov in that order.
 

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