WCSF’s Gm#4: KINGS(3 vs DUCKS(1 5/10/14, 0-2 Loss.

[HYORI 1963]

How about The Sharks series we just witnessed ?

Or the Blues series of last year ?

You have any evidence to disprove what I just said, or are you hot air like always ?

So, then why did Sutter pull Quick in game 4, when he was destined to have a great game since kings were a no-show in game 3? By your statement, Quick SHOULD have come up big in game 4 correct?

 

[damacles1156]

So, then why did Sutter pull Quick in game 4, when he was destined to have a great game since kings were a no-show in game 3? By your statement, Quick SHOULD have come up big in game 4 correct?

You have to jump start the team somehow. Only Sutter knows why Quick got pulled.

Quick played well in Games three and four, I don't see people blaming him.

Should play well in game Five too.


Since Game Four of the SJ series, I would say Kopitar/Quick have been the most consistent players.

Probably add Muzzin/A-Mart in there as well.

Not out of the realm of possibility that Quick may steal game five.

I would put money on it, doesn't mean it will happen. But Quick has stole games in his career, after poor team performances.

 

[HYORI 1963]

You to jump start the team somehow. Only Sutter knows why Quick got pulled.

Quick played well in Games three and four, I don't see people blaming him.

You just make stuff up to make it into a nice story. Saying that Quick always has a big game after the team failed him in the previous game is just something you just made up. Yeah, there may be some statistical backup to support your statement, but there are some statistics to contradicted as well.

 

[Bandit]

I would say be careful of using the past to predict the future, of course, but if I were the Ducks, I would be scared of a pissed-off Quick tomorrow. And I'm hoping for it--he's our best chance to see the light at the end of the tunnel this series.

Can a pissed off Quick score goals? I think he just might...

 

[damacles1156]

You just make stuff up to make it into a nice story. Saying that Quick always has a big game after the team failed him in the previous game is just something you just made up. Yeah, there may be some statistical backup to support your statement, but there are some statistics to contradicted as well.

What ever makes you feel better.

Agree to disagree

I am sure there are stats to prove or disapprove, but in just about every discussion I have with you, you provide none.

Then mock someone who actually on occasion does.

If you not going to provide any, Don't mock or call people out that actually put in effort to provide them on occasion.

I didn't provide any this go around, maybe I will dig up some(put together a spreadsheet ,bored).

but no doubt you will simply dismiss then, and provide nothing on your end but talk.

 

[HYORI 1963]

I would say games 4-7 of the last series is a nice start offhand. I'm sure I could dig more with a lil more time though!

How about games 2 & 3 in the same series? Did Quick step up and win those games?

 

[damacles1156]

Can a pissed off Quick score goals? I think he just might...

That would be a sight , To bad Quick is not the greatest at handling the puck.

Would be cool to see Quick get an empty netter at some point in his career.

 

[HYORI 1963]

What ever makes you feel better.

Agree to disagree

I am sure there are stats to prove or disapprove, but in just about every discussion I have with you, you provide none.

Then mock someone who actually on occasion does.

If you not going to provide any, Don't mock or call people out that actually put in effort to provide them on occasion.

I didn't provide any this go around, maybe I will dig up some(put together a spreadsheet ,bored).

but no doubt you will simply dismiss then, and provide nothing on your end but talk.

Over the years Quick has been a starter.

I don't think anyone can question (Quick plays his best games after bad performances by the team).

Quick is just money after the Kings screw the pooch. He is making a Career out of bounce back games.

Did Quick have his best game in game 2 vs SJ? Nope!
Did Quick have his best game in game 3 vs SJ? Nope!
Did Quick have his best game in game 4 vs ANA Nope!

Let's try and stick to the facts, shall we?

And maybe you can put a stop to the personal crap. All I did was question your post.

 

[damacles1156]

How about games 2 & 3 in the same series? Did Quick step up and win those games?

Quick may have a good game. Just maybe.

The Kings may show up, maybe. Sutter may have the lines one way or another.

No Absolute's in that.

We can stop discussing Quick now.

Do you have any Maybe's that you would like to add ?

Don't worry I won't ask for any stat's to back up any of your Maybe's

Your opinion on the matter will suffice.

For instance, do you think Carter will play better ? Regardless of Line mates ?

 

[HYORI 1963]

Quick may have a good game. Just maybe.

The Kings may show up, maybe. Sutter may have the lines one way or another.

No Absolute's in that.

We can stop discussing Quick now.

Do you have any Maybe's that you would like to add ?

Don't worry I won't ask for any stat's to back up any of your Maybe's

Your opinion on the matter will suffice.

For instance, do you think Carter will play better ? Regardless of Line mates ?

Feel better?

Like I said, all I did was to question your post and followed up with empirical evidence to contradict your post. Sorry, if you're butt hurt.

 

[damacles1156]

Feel better?

Like I said, all I did was to question your post and followed up with empirical evidence to contradict your post. Sorry, if you're butt hurt.

It's a circular argument, Cause I can just point to games where he played lights out(after losses).

It's an argument no one win's or losses.

It just goes on and on and on forever.

You still didn't answer my question, what are your maybe's for Game Five.

 

[HYORI 1963]

It's a circular argument, Cause I can just point to games where he played lights out(after losses).

It's a argument no one win's or losses.

It just goes on and on and on forever.

That's the whole point.

I don't think anyone can question (Quick plays his best games after bad performances by the team).

The fact of the matter is sometimes he does, and sometimes he doesn't. You make it sound like he's invincible after a team had let him down, which is untrue.

 

[damacles1156]

That's the whole point.



The fact of the matter is sometimes he does, and sometimes he doesn't. You make it sound like he's invincible after a team had let him down, which is untrue.

It's an opinion not a fact, I thought people would take it as such.

I guess with you, I am going have to post differently. Since you can't seem to tell the difference.

I treat everyone's posts as opinion's not fact. No one here has the 100% skinny on everything hockey.

I think most folks would know that Quick doesn't post shutout's after every loss.....

 

[HYORI 1963]

It's an opinion not a fact, I thought people would take it as such.

I guess with you, I am going have to post differently. Since you can't seem to tell the difference.

Then what exactly is your point???

That Quick may have a lights out game, but there's a chance that he may not???

You're being silly. Just stop.

 

[damacles1156]

Then what exactly is your point???

That Quick may have a lights out game, but there's a chance that he may not???

You're being silly. Just stop.

You still haven't provided your maybe's for game five.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Sutter was a beauty today

"On the frequency of outshooting the opposition and losing:

"We’ve done that a lot this year. Ask guys that have seen us play lots. We’ve seen a lot of those 50-to-20 deals. [Reporter: And I guess that helps you now this time of year, just because you guys won’t get rattled by it?] Yeah, I’m not rattled. I’m just thankful I’m alive today. I’m fortunate to pull through after the devastating loss last night. [Reporter: Well, you are still sitting.] Barely. They had to get me up off – Radar and Hawkeye had to get me up to come here today.""

Love a good MASH reference

I don't blame Quick.

I know some of you guys think that Sutter pulling Quick was a great move, but I disagree. You don't mess with the psyche of a goalie in the playoffs, you just don't!

Never blamed Quick once and I didn't like the move from the second I looked up and saw Shooter McGavin in net.

 

[HYORI 1963]

You still haven't provided your maybe's for game five.

Here's all you need to know about game 5: Sutter needs to reunite the lines that got us a 6 game winning streak, and he needs to put Quick back in net.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Still baffled that Kopitar wasn't matched up against Getzlaf.

 

[HYORI 1963]

Still baffled that Kopitar wasn't matched up against Getzlaf.

Yep, especially when we had the last line change.

You know who else was baffled? Boudreau.

 

[damacles1156]

Still baffled that Kopitar wasn't matched up against Getzlaf.

According to advance stats, he got more than a couple of shift's against Getz(last game).

My problem is , Kopitar should dominate lower Center's not vanish.

Is ANH 2-4 Center's really that good ? Really ?

Getzlaf is not some defensive black hole, the guy is good in his own zone.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Yep, especially when we had the last line change.

You know who else was baffled? Boudreau.

The only semi-logical reason I can think of is he wanted to exploit one of their lesser centers in a matchup with Kopitar. And even then it makes zero sense.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

How about games 2 & 3 in the same series? Did Quick step up and win those games?

No, you're right. Though game 2 was a meltdown for the ages and game 3 I thought quick played well and we were just boned by the hockey gods with tips and such. But he won four straight elimination games and just locked it down. I'm sure there are stats and I don't have the time to get to it now (making dinner for the extended family--heaven help us all) but I figured anecdotally would be good enough for the discussion, the idea that pissed off lockdown Quick is a scary thing for the other team and though he's obviously not batting 1000 he bounces back HARD more often than not.

(In support of your criticism there was the Chicago series last year so I'm not saying you're wrong just that in my recollection he kills is more often than not)

 

[HYORI 1963]

The only semi-logical reason I can think of is he wanted to exploit one of their lesser centers in a matchup with Kopitar. And even then it makes zero sense.

I think Sutter's getting a kickback from nbc to extend the series.

 

[damacles1156]

No, you're right. Though game 2 was a meltdown for the ages and game 3 I thought quick played well and we were just boned by the hockey gods with tips and such. But he won four straight elimination games and just locked it down. I'm sure there are stats and I don't have the time to get to it now (making dinner for the extended family--heaven help us all) but I figured anecdotally would be good enough for the discussion, the idea that pissed off lockdown Quick is a scary thing for the other team and though he's obviously not batting 1000 he bounces back HARD more often than not.

(In support of your criticism there was the Chicago series last year so I'm not saying you're wrong just that in my recollection he kills is more often than not)

Crawford was very good for the Hawks Cup run, outplayed a lot of Goalies.

 

[Winger23]

Mitchell and RR may not seem to effect the offence on the surface, but imo its the reason the kings offence is in the toilet this series.

Forwards are having to go deeper in their own zone preventing any chance for effective scoring chances off the rush, and a reason why the kings are having to just dump it in deep almost every time up the ice.

It's the very same reason they went into a shell once getting their only 2 goal lead in the series.

Once the kings hot down by 2 goals last game, they had no choice but to try and trust their D more and took risks on the forecheck. Kings were dropping 4 guys to the neutral zone until they were trailing, which goes against how this team succeeds, feasting on turnovers from the forecheck.

Imo for the Kings to turn this around they need to trust their D and start pressuring the less than impressive blue line of the ducks.