CowMix
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WCSF’s Gm#4: KINGS(3 vs DUCKS(1 5/10/14, 0-2 Loss.
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If pulling Quick is the right move because the Kings play better in front of Jones...Why not start Jones for game 5?
Little Psycho
Registered User
Wow, you sound like a classless Kings fan. You do know that Dirty Dustin Brown plays on your team, right???
Amirite?
Edit: so close to hitting 15,000...I will not post about that weasel anymore. Don't want my 15k post to be about him.
kingsfan
President of the Todd McLellan fan club by default
So we lost so any decision is wrong? That's dumb.
We basically stopped the Ducks from putting a shot on net for 25 minutes of play or about 80 minutes in real time. The team played a hell of a lot better after that goalie switch. Just because we didn't win doesn't mean it wasn't the right move.
If we had scored a goal, would it have been the wrong move to have shot the puck because we still lost 2-1? Any move to improve our play is the right move, just not enough right decision got made, mostly on the ice.
Some people need to learn how to write blocks of sentences. This one sentence per line is just kindergarten stuff.
ukyo
Registered User
Didn't feel like it since we were just sharing opinions, but fair enough.
Like I said, we'll see whether or not the Kings can carry over the strong play. But I'm not at all worried about The Bad and The Unknown with regards to Quick (in which you're basically listing the same thing twice). Here are some more facts:
- Quick's career numbers are .915 sv% and 2.28 gaa. He has 31 shutouts in 329 career starts (he averages a shutout every 10.6 starts)
- This season, Quick was pulled three times. In the starts following these games, he has gone 1-2-0, with a .921 sv% and 1.98 gaa. But that is a fairly small sample size.
- In the last five seasons, Quick was pulled 16 times. In the starts following these games, he has gone 8-7-1, with a .935 sv% and 1.65 gaa. Out of those, three were shutout wins, so a shutout every 5.3 starts after getting pulled... basically he is twice as likely to record a shutout in a start following getting pulled than in a normal start.
So yeah, I would say he bounces back from getting pulled pretty well.
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HYORI 1963
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HYORI 1963
Grit & Character
Of course you totally ignore the fact that he's gone 9-9-1, after being pulled, which is only .500. Whereas his career winning percentage is .600, but hey, who's keeping track?
Besides, Quick being pulled from game 4 was different from other games where he was pulled. For one, kings were only down 2-0; secondly, it was only the end of 1st period; and lastly, Quick didn't let in a softy.
In any case, let's hope Quick and the Kings bounce back and take care of the dux tonight!
ukyo
Registered User
Come on now, you're being lazy. I took the time to dig up the data. You're just hand-waving with how Quick getting pulled this time is different. Are you going to stick with the facts, or not? I mean, you're joking about the winning percentage, right? Chewbacca defense? Really?
But if not, ok, I think I get where you're coming from. Well, I suppose sometimes it is good to be results-oriented. In the end I do want the Kings to win, and if Quick posts better than normal numbers and they still lose, none of us will be happy. I just won't be blaming him getting pulled for the loss.
But if not, ok, I think I get where you're coming from. Well, I suppose sometimes it is good to be results-oriented. In the end I do want the Kings to win, and if Quick posts better than normal numbers and they still lose, none of us will be happy. I just won't be blaming him getting pulled for the loss.
johnjm22
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Pulling Quick had nothing to do with his play.
It was Sutter's way of shaming the team. You've got to put yourself in the shoes of the players to understand. Have you ever been in a situation like that? A teammate gets taken out of the game because of the way YOU played? You feel terrible, like you let the guy down.
Sutter was basically saying to the rest of the guys "Look what you made me do. I've got to pull our goaltender, on home ice, in a playoff game, just to get a response from you guys. Wake the **** up!"
Darryl psychologically ***** slapped the team, and they deserved it. I think it will be the turning point in the series.
It was Sutter's way of shaming the team. You've got to put yourself in the shoes of the players to understand. Have you ever been in a situation like that? A teammate gets taken out of the game because of the way YOU played? You feel terrible, like you let the guy down.
Sutter was basically saying to the rest of the guys "Look what you made me do. I've got to pull our goaltender, on home ice, in a playoff game, just to get a response from you guys. Wake the **** up!"
Darryl psychologically ***** slapped the team, and they deserved it. I think it will be the turning point in the series.
kingsfan
President of the Todd McLellan fan club by default
That's fantastic!!!
And just how many more moral victories before we win the cup?
Hopefully a lot less than snarky comments from you. Be 2048 before we win a cup that way.
You implied that pulling Quick was a wrong decision because we still lost. I replied it was a good decision and showed why and that's your response? Why bother posting?
kingsfan
President of the Todd McLellan fan club by default
Of course you totally ignore the fact that he's gone 9-9-1, after being pulled, which is only .500. Whereas his career winning percentage is .600, but hey, who's keeping track?
And of course you ignore the fact that it's a team sport. Quick's numbers go up after being pulled like ukyo showed, so if Quick's winning percentage goes down after being pulled but his numbers go up, doesn't that mean that the team is playing worse after he's pulled?
If anything ukyo showed pulling Quick is a good move for Quick, just not a good move for the Kings as a team. Since you were so concerned with how pulling Quick would impact just Quick though, you'd think you'd be elated at the stats ukyo posted, but I suspect you'd rather just sit here and argue instead.
HYORI 1963
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You're a funny guy. You throw around a word like "dumb" in my direction and then cry foul. Give it a rest.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
kingsfan called the idea dumb, not you, and though I agree it could have been a better choice of words, he/she went on to back up the statement with a lot of facts and evidence. You haven't provided much more than an anecdote. EDIT: saw the stats you posted above so the heart of a decent debate is there. I get what you're saying, truly, but I don't understand why the need for abrasiveness in this thread, especially when there's evidence being presented.
Let's collectively cool it before this thread gets axe murdered.
HYORI 1963
Grit & Character
Sorry if you disagree, but I feel like I've presented my facts as well. Quick has a .500 winning percentage after being pulled, whereas his W/L record is .600; Quick was obviously agitated when he was pulled; And we lost the game! So, if you're argument is solely based on that we played our best 2 periods in the series, I'm sorry, but I think my argument is stronger.
I know if the kings win the series, majority of this board will give credit to Sutter and him pulling Quick as the winning recipe, but I just don't agree with it.
And I find it silly that you think it's perfectly ok for kingsfan to throw the word "dumb" in my direction, but when I respond with the "snarky" comment, I'm the bad guy??? I'm very capable of having a civilized conversation, but if someone starts out attacking, I feel that I have every right to respond the way I did.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
As to the argument, I have to disagree--Quick's numbers are stronger on the back end even if the team's W/L numbers aren't. Agree to disagree, I'm fine with that, but I know the value of a pissed off motivated Quick, though I think I agree with the idea that we've seen both versions--the one that simply locks it down, and the one that potentially dies with the team like last year's Chicago series. I'm confident we're getting the sharp one tonight since as you said he wasn't even bad last game. It may also be impossible to prove causation with the goalie pull because maybe the team shows up whether or not Jones goes in.
As to the conversation getting snippy all around, I could handle this one of two ways: I can nuke the whole thing and the thread dies, or I could preserve it because there's a good discussion going on underneath all the snark. I chose option #2 for now with the public warning because it looks like everyone is actually still chatting, but if I follow the absolute rule of the law on this one, bye bye thread.
HYORI 1963
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I just think that Sutter handling the Quick situation was poorly done.
So, Quick gets pulled to start the 2nd period. Why not, wait and see how the kings play in the 2nd period, before making this move? I'm assuming during the 1st intermission, that Sutter gave the players a piece of his mind. Let's see how they react, before using Quick as a pawn. Yeah, a pawn! Contrary to most on here, I don't think Quick plays well when he's agitated (i.e. Mike Brown in games 1 and 2). Now if Quick's back in the lineup, not only does he have the dux in his head, but now he needs to be concerned with whether his team plays well enough for him to stay in the game? As I said before, you don't mess with the psyche of the goaltender. Especially, one that has played as well as Quick in the past 6 games prior. And past stats, whether they support my argument or not, are pretty much irrelevant, imo.
And as for the snippy remarks, are they not allowed? As long as it's not a personal attack (which mine wasn't), I thought it was ok...
johnjm22
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HYORI 1963
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HYORI 1963
Grit & Character
Sorry, didn't mean to ignore your post.
To answer your question, yeah, I am lazy, VERY lazy! As for the winning %, no I wasn't joking. Why, did I miss something? Going by the numbers you've provided, he has a .500 winning percentage, after being pulled, which is significantly lower than his career winning percentage of .600.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Fair enough. It was a pretty unprecedented move in the book of Sutter. But we've seen enough weird stuff this series so may as well throw everything out at this point
I agree that you shouldn't take chances with your goalie and you brought up some things I hadn't thought about, but I just personally think Quick is tougher than that and will use it in a positive rather than negative way.I don't mind people challenging each other. It just turned into semi-bickering for a bit. All good now.
