Washington REALLY helped by Kempny trade

[Blue Liner]

Daley, Daley, Kempny.

Ah, Daley twice. Got it. Hey, still counts.

 

[BobbyJet]

Over and over again. If I'm Stan I'm calling Q every day to remind him that Kempny used to be a hawk, but wasn't good enough to sniff the lineup every night...

Or should it be Hawks' upper management recognizing the dysfunction and asking Stan why he traded MK away because his HC wouldn't play him (a recurring theme with these two bozos often on different pages).
Or should it be Rocky seeing the big picture and asking McD what the coitus he's doing and asking why he shouldn't clean house of all of them?

 

[BK]

Or should it be Hawks' upper management recognizing the dysfunction and asking Stan why he traded MK away because his HC wouldn't play him (a recurring theme with these two bozos often on different pages).
Or should it be Rocky seeing the big picture and asking McD what the coitus he's doing and asking why he shouldn't clean house of all of them?

Sorry but this is 100% on Q. He has consistently not played Kempny. Stan keeps bringing in players that fit todays game and Q fails to use them correctly.

Not letting Bowman fire Q is a huge blunder.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Or should it be Hawks' upper management recognizing the dysfunction and asking Stan why he traded MK away because his HC wouldn't play him (a recurring theme with these two bozos often on different pages).
Or should it be Rocky seeing the big picture and asking McD what the coitus he's doing and asking why he shouldn't clean house of all of them?

Bowman has nothing to do with Kempny not playing. Stan got something in return for a good player that his dumb shit coach refused to play. Stan brings in guys that can play in today's NHL, and Q keeps refusing to play them... How is that on Bowman?

 

[BobbyJet]

Bowman has nothing to do with Kempny not playing. Stan got something in return for a good player that his dumb **** coach refused to play. Stan brings in guys that can play in today's NHL, and Q keeps refusing to play them... How is that on Bowman?

Isn't Stan supposed to be Q's boss? Do they even talk to one another? This is pretty much a replay of the Daley fiasco, made worse because of the poor state of Hawks' defense. The disconnect between HC and GM is obvious and that is my point.

 

[BK]

Isn't Stan supposed to be Q's boss? Do they even talk to one another? This is pretty much a replay of the Daley fiasco, made worse because of the poor state of Hawks' defense. The disconnect between HC and GM is obvious and that is my point.

It is blatantly clear that John McD is making the choice on Q. This is a major issue with upper management meddling.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Isn't Stan supposed to be Q's boss? Do they even talk to one another? This is pretty much a replay of the Daley fiasco, made worse because of the poor state of Hawks' defense. The disconnect between HC and GM is obvious and that is my point.

Yes... but your coach has final say over the lineup decisions nightly, and most GMs and Coaches don't meddle in each other's affairs. Most are also on the same page. The fact that Bowman is obviously at a cross with Q, but Bowman didn't(couldn't) fire him is obvious to anyone with a brain that there is far too much meddling going on from the upper management in this organization. McDickface is making decisions based upon marketing as opposed to what is best for the team.

 

[ClydeLee]

Isn't Stan supposed to be Q's boss? Do they even talk to one another? This is pretty much a replay of the Daley fiasco, made worse because of the poor state of Hawks' defense. The disconnect between HC and GM is obvious and that is my point.

How are these fiascos? I dont get the weird view of losses and care for how players do elsewhere and that being some loss. I fiasco is one like danault but not fitting and replacing staff to accommodate and better use an at top play so far a #4 D is far more out there than trading a 4. The daley trade was also bad because they didn't lose all the cap but only some with Scuderi

I think most coaches and gms aren't gonna be on the same page the whole time and doing think q and bowman are some crazy way off. Q doesn't like guys carrying the puck and Stan will get a guy with nhl talent even if that's his game... there not massive disconnect. Even when gms search and hire guys it's not themselves (except Tom Rowe for recent cases) they will not find someone that views every style or player the same.

 

[BobbyJet]

How are these fiascos? I dont get the weird view of losses and care for how players do elsewhere and that being some loss. I fiasco is one like danault but not fitting and replacing staff to accommodate and better use an at top play so far a #4 D is far more out there than trading a 4. The daley trade was also bad because they didn't lose all the cap but only some with Scuderi

I think most coaches and gms aren't gonna be on the same page the whole time and doing think q and bowman are some crazy way off. Q doesn't like guys carrying the puck and Stan will get a guy with nhl talent even if that's his game... there not massive disconnect. Even when gms search and hire guys it's not themselves (except Tom Rowe for recent cases) they will not find someone that views every style or player the same.

Which in a nutshell says that Q is the problem .... but I (and others) say the reasons are many. This is just a small example of why Q should go (first).... but, IMO, Rocky should be watching closely what's going on in his organization; McD especially.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

How are these fiascos? I dont get the weird view of losses and care for how players do elsewhere and that being some loss. I fiasco is one like danault but not fitting and replacing staff to accommodate and better use an at top play so far a #4 D is far more out there than trading a 4. The daley trade was also bad because they didn't lose all the cap but only some with Scuderi

I think most coaches and gms aren't gonna be on the same page the whole time and doing think q and bowman are some crazy way off. Q doesn't like guys carrying the puck and Stan will get a guy with nhl talent even if that's his game... there not massive disconnect. Even when gms search and hire guys it's not themselves (except Tom Rowe for recent cases) they will not find someone that views every style or player the same.

How are these fiascos? I dont get the weird view of losses and care for how players do elsewhere and that being some loss. I fiasco is one like danault but not fitting and replacing staff to accommodate and better use an at top play so far a #4 D is far more out there than trading a 4. The daley trade was also bad because they didn't lose all the cap but only some with Scuderi

I think most coaches and gms aren't gonna be on the same page the whole time and doing think q and bowman are some crazy way off. Q doesn't like guys carrying the puck and Stan will get a guy with nhl talent even if that's his game... there not massive disconnect. Even when gms search and hire guys it's not themselves (except Tom Rowe for recent cases) they will not find someone that views every style or player the same.

There's a difference between coach and GM not agreeing on everything and a GM building a roster with a scheme in mind that his coach doesn't follow at all.

 

[BobbyJet]

I think most coaches and gms aren't gonna be on the same page the whole time and doing think q and bowman are some crazy way off. Q doesn't like guys carrying the puck and Stan will get a guy with nhl talent even if that's his game... there not massive disconnect. Even when gms search and hire guys it's not themselves (except Tom Rowe for recent cases) they will not find someone that views every style or player the same.

Show me such an organization and I say they are not going to win a SC anytime soon.

In Chicago, the disconnect goes way beyond just Q and Stan. The sooner that Rocky is cognizant of that the better, unless of course he and MCD are actually on the same page. If they are, heaven help the Blackhawks.

 

[ClydeLee]

Show me such an organization and I say they are not going to win a SC anytime soon.

In Chicago, the disconnect goes way beyond just Q and Stan. The sooner that Rocky is cognizant of that the better, unless of course he and MCD are actually on the same page. If they are, heaven help the Blackhawks.

How did this contrast come to be? Since you're saying this existed with Stan Q and Mcd yet that was an organization that won 3 cups and Stans openly said in interviews no coach and GM will always agree.

... but it started and changed into this how or when?

 

[BobbyJet]

How did this contrast come to be? Since you're saying this existed with Stan Q and Mcd yet that was an organization that won 3 cups and Stans openly said in interviews no coach and GM will always agree.

... but it started and changed into this how or when?

It certainly wasn't yesterday. This is 2018, in case you need to be reminded.

 

[ColdSteel2]

How did this contrast come to be? Since you're saying this existed with Stan Q and Mcd yet that was an organization that won 3 cups and Stans openly said in interviews no coach and GM will always agree.

... but it started and changed into this how or when?

2010: Loads of great young talent and getting Hossa

2013: Still great young/prime talent, short season, out trained everyone as a team and made it happen, players win

2015: Fate comes with the Kane injury, Stan gets Vermette, team has just enough to scrape by

There’s a lot more credit to go to the players than the managers IMO. I think Stan bought us the last Cup taking big risks. I never thought Q put the team over the top in that same way.

And McDonough, I think he served a purpose in the outset but should let everyone else do their job. Perception is reality, everything is skewed knowing he is on top, don’t know who is at fault or calling the shots, almost by design by him to
use those two as a shield if shit hits the fan, could be wrong, but I don’t like that confusing vibe when things are wrong and it’s definitely there right now.

 

[ClydeLee]

2010: Loads of great young talent and getting Hossa

2013: Still great young/prime talent, short season, out trained everyone as a team and made it happen, players win

2015: Fate comes with the Kane injury, Stan gets Vermette, team has just enough to scrape by

There’s a lot more credit to go to the players than the managers IMO. I think Stan bought us the last Cup taking big risks. I never thought Q put the team over the top in that same way.

And McDonough, I think he served a purpose in the outset but should let everyone else do their job. Perception is reality, everything is skewed knowing he is on top, don’t know who is at fault or calling the shots, almost by design by him to
use those two as a shield if **** hits the fan, could be wrong, but I don’t like that confusing vibe when things are wrong and it’s definitely there right now.

I will say I do not understand the view of so little credit to 2015 especially when rotating and swapping the D pairs as they did to have 2 sub 10 min guys a game was a coaching accomplishment. Yeah the players gotta play and the 4 were capable but they're not shifting themselves like that.

And theres several people who say any coach could win with these teams or would win with less idiotic lineups but what coaches anywhere are there doing that exactly? Theres a couple who may be able to.

Now I see lightning fans or others criticizing Cooper for line changing and adjusting too aggressive which can lead to too many men. Elements like that are identifiable coaching tactics and influences that not all coaches take. Yet some fans want to disregard so much of that.

It'd be nice to see Q also let D carry the puck around but ideas of being too mad or frustrated at a coach for how they contain a at best #4 isnt sensible. I think despising him because he's now holding down what could be production of the stars in T, K, & Keith if they had more free forming play is a good dig.

 

[JaegerDice]

I will say I do not understand the view of so little credit to 2015 especially when rotating and swapping the D pairs as they did to have 2 sub 10 min guys a game was a coaching accomplishment. Yeah the players gotta play and the 4 were capable but they're not shifting themselves like that.

And theres several people who say any coach could win with these teams or would win with less idiotic lineups but what coaches anywhere are there doing that exactly? Theres a couple who may be able to.

Now I see lightning fans or others criticizing Cooper for line changing and adjusting too aggressive which can lead to too many men. Elements like that are identifiable coaching tactics and influences that not all coaches take. Yet some fans want to disregard so much of that.

It'd be nice to see Q also let D carry the puck around but ideas of being too mad or frustrated at a coach for how they contain a at best #4 isnt sensible. I think despising him because he's now holding down what could be production of the stars in T, K, & Keith if they had more free forming play is a good dig.

Are you serious?

Between savvy GM work and dumb luck, the man was afforded a roster that was literally illegal within the regular season. He had more depth than any other team was capable of accumulating thanks to the timing of Kane's injury and the time-table of his return.

Which, for the record, I'm fine with. I think that's some damn savvy GM work to take a negative and turn it into an advantage for when the games actually matter, but the idea that a coach is some genius for being able to win matchups with a roster that the team wouldn't have been allowed to ice during the regular season because it was too good/expensive for the rules to allow is crazy. Our 3rd line was a cheat code Sharp-Vermette-Teuvo is a 2nd line on most teams. Our 4th line of Desardins-Kruger-Shaw went up agains the the top6s of both Anaheim and Tampa and hemmed their best players in. But yes, Q is a genius for having 4 better lines than the other guys. A real hockey Einstein.

As far as the dmen, I maintain that the injury to Rozsival was a blessing in disguise. If Joel Quenneville were capable of playing #5 Dman Roszival the number of minutes and against the matchups befitting a #5 dman, his loss would have been a detriment. Instead we lost an exploitable weakness in a 3rd pair dman that Q was playing against top4 worth competition with top4 minutes. I have no doubt both Anaheim and Tampa would have torched Rozsival as he stood in his usual spot, off to the side of the net, watching pucks go in.

Granted, if the top 4 weren't up to it, then we lose. But they were. So we were better off having our best D out there as much as possible than we would have been having Q's boy out there getting torched shift after shift.

 

[ClydeLee]

Are you serious?

Between savvy GM work and dumb luck, the man was afforded a roster that was literally illegal within the regular season. He had more depth than any other team was capable of accumulating thanks to the timing of Kane's injury and the time-table of his return.

Which, for the record, I'm fine with. I think that's some damn savvy GM work to take a negative and turn it into an advantage for when the games actually matter, but the idea that a coach is some genius for being able to win matchups with a roster that the team wouldn't have been allowed to ice during the regular season because it was too good/expensive for the rules to allow is crazy. Our 3rd line was a cheat code Sharp-Vermette-Teuvo is a 2nd line on most teams. Our 4th line of Desardins-Kruger-Shaw went up agains the the top6s of both Anaheim and Tampa and hemmed their best players in. But yes, Q is a genius for having 4 better lines than the other guys. A real hockey Einstein.

As far as the dmen, I maintain that the injury to Rozsival was a blessing in disguise. If Joel Quenneville were capable of playing #5 Dman Roszival the number of minutes and against the matchups befitting a #5 dman, his loss would have been a detriment. Instead we lost an exploitable weakness in a 3rd pair dman that Q was playing against top4 worth competition with top4 minutes. I have no doubt both Anaheim and Tampa would have torched Rozsival as he stood in his usual spot, off to the side of the net, watching pucks go in.

Granted, if the top 4 weren't up to it, then we lose. But they were. So we were better off having our best D out there as much as possible than we would have been having Q's boy out there getting torched shift after shift.

These thoughts just sound so straight up biased with no desire to conect the actual scenarios together.

What is this bizarre case of Rozi that doesn't matchup yo what he was doing those postseason games at all. You especially after years of championing corsi or other stats would be weirdly putting some case that in that year or that postseason. Cause Rozi was in no way over playing competition and if he was he was outstanding having the 3rd best corsi of the team in his postseason play. And he wasn't like Runblad who was #1 with overwhelmingly offensive and safe usage. Conclusions based on leaps of other further seasons and bias are silly.

But you're actually hypothetical criticizing him doing something that isnt indicated of being poor yet he could of if so dumb put Kimo or Rundblad put 17 minutes to fill Rozi. Except what they actually did on D that was actually successful and not a case of what any ol coach does.

The adjustments too late or never with old player biases that are valid, yet also of every coach. Yet most coaches never make the successful adjustments at all.

But yeah that forward group was also stacked which contrasts the D. Not really anything to that to take away the Ds rotation but I was just bringing up matchups to compare to an actual other coach because people seem to not focus on actual coaching variables of choices these humans make and act like theres some ideal concept of a coach lurking in the world they compare coaches too.

 

[AmericanDream]

Are you serious?

Between savvy GM work and dumb luck, the man was afforded a roster that was literally illegal within the regular season. He had more depth than any other team was capable of accumulating thanks to the timing of Kane's injury and the time-table of his return.

Which, for the record, I'm fine with. I think that's some damn savvy GM work to take a negative and turn it into an advantage for when the games actually matter, but the idea that a coach is some genius for being able to win matchups with a roster that the team wouldn't have been allowed to ice during the regular season because it was too good/expensive for the rules to allow is crazy. Our 3rd line was a cheat code Sharp-Vermette-Teuvo is a 2nd line on most teams. Our 4th line of Desardins-Kruger-Shaw went up agains the the top6s of both Anaheim and Tampa and hemmed their best players in. But yes, Q is a genius for having 4 better lines than the other guys. A real hockey Einstein.

As far as the dmen, I maintain that the injury to Rozsival was a blessing in disguise. If Joel Quenneville were capable of playing #5 Dman Roszival the number of minutes and against the matchups befitting a #5 dman, his loss would have been a detriment. Instead we lost an exploitable weakness in a 3rd pair dman that Q was playing against top4 worth competition with top4 minutes. I have no doubt both Anaheim and Tampa would have torched Rozsival as he stood in his usual spot, off to the side of the net, watching pucks go in.

Granted, if the top 4 weren't up to it, then we lose. But they were. So we were better off having our best D out there as much as possible than we would have been having Q's boy out there getting torched shift after shift.

If I could like this post I absolutely would. Spot on.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Yea, Rozi was torched by Nashville and had a few good games against Minnesota before he got hurt. He was hot garbage that year. Team was better off without him playing big minutes.

 

[Bubba88]

Q really misused Kempny and Stan thought it was smarter to get pick #87 than lose him for nothing.

How Q still has his Job is pathetic.

 

[jls24]

Q really misused Kempny and Stan thought it was smarter to get pick #87 than lose him for nothing.

How Q still has his Job is pathetic.

They were raving about Kempny on nhl radio yesterday and what a great pickup it was, much better than Shatty was for them.

 

[featherhawk]

another example of Q not be able or willing to adapt his system that no longer works in the present NHL. Q constantly tries to fit square pegs into a round hole.

Q does not take a humans strengths and place them in situations that they can not only succeed in but excel in, instead he rips them of there strengths and forces them to focus on using there weaknesses and thus setting them and the team up for failure.

bottom line Q is washed up and continually cuts them off at the knees so to speak

The fact that either Mcd or Rocky are letting this idiot stay behind the bench is recipe for disaster and this club is headed for pre Toews and Kane status. Terrible management.

 

[AmericanDream]

awesome keep in, and hell of a pass by Kempny to Connolly for the goal!! f*** YOU Q!!!

 

[Salvaged Ship]

Kempny is doing what he is doing, will likely only get better, and we are desperate for quality defensmen. Q not giving him a real shot should have been another nail in his coffin, yet the Hawks don’t want to pay Q and another coach so he stays. Its pathetic

 

[Kevin Musto]

I don't care what y'all say, Kempny was f***ing awful in Chicago. Glad Stan got a 3rd for him.