OT: Washington Commanders: 2022 Offseason - Part 1 - Commander Carson Edition

[ToddBrew]

I'm gonna be optimistic. Defense is will improve upon last year. Carson could rebound with a true #1 WR in McLaurin. Maybe we add a few more pieces to give Carson more time in the pocket. Could make a run in the East.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Some please explain it to me: why do people think Wentz has any chance at rebounding? He hasn’t been good in half a decade. He’s not even durable either — he’s played one full season since 2016.

Why do people think Scott Turner can turn around a guy that Frank Reich and Doug Pederson couldn’t? Both those guys are much more accomplished than Son of Norv.

 

[Random schmoe]

Inside the Colts' decision to move on from Carson Wentz after just one season

While the team’s chief decision-makers know there are issues beyond the quarterback spot that need to be addressed, they felt they couldn’t move forward with Wentz, and they were prepared to eat the $15 million if they had to. (Wentz is due an additional $13 million next week at the start of the new league year.) The Eagles, remember, took on a league-record $33.8 million dead cap hit last year after trading their former franchise QB to Indianapolis.
According to one source, the Colts’ divorce with Wentz this offseason was only a matter of time. All that needed to be decided was whether the team would trade or cut him.
And the fact that the Colts were willing to move on from him without a viable Plan B in place — not to mention a thin free-agent class and no first-round draft choice — is especially telling. That’s how determined the Colts were in their decision.

:popcorn

(OK, yeah, he actually isn't a bad QB. It just sounds like no team actually wants him on it. Which is not a great sign. Might be some desperation in DC to not suck. I don't detest it, as long as they draft a QB that can take over when this jagoff wears out his welcome like he did with his last 2 teams.)

But then again I swore this team off years ago, and haven't watched a minute since, so really don't f'in care.

 

[Ridley Simon]

I am glad you are zen about this. I am not.

There’s so much bad about this deal it’s hard to know where to start. They overpaid in assets to get him. His contract is one of the worst in the NFL at the position. They wasted one of the best assets they had to get better in order to get him: cap space. He doesn’t move the needle for this team at all — the Colts had a better roster and played in a shittier division and he couldn’t get it done.

Washington will not draft a QB now in the 1st, according to multiple insiders. The long term solution is still not on the roster. This entire next season will now be a weekly dissection of Carson Wentz and is he or isn’t he the QB of the future. He brings no stability to the organization and goes against everything Ron said he wanted to do at the QB position.

It doesn’t matter if the Colts are smart or not. There was no market for him except for Washington and they outbid themselves which says all you need to know about him as a player and them as an organization. This was not a bidding war situation like Russ. And it was the coach who was his OC when he was drafted and who coached him during his one really good season (which was five years ago in 2017) who decided to cut him loose after one year. The Colts would rather have no QB on the roster and take a gamble at finding better than Wentz.

There are better options out there. That’s objectively true. Whether or not they could have signed them is a different story but they settled on a bad option and paid too much.

I hope I’m wrong but they could not have handled this any worse if they tried. This was a panic buy and those almost always crash and burn.

*screams into void and punches air

Dude.

he wasnt going to sign with us as an FA. That’s the assumption made here.

He’s got one yr left on his deal. ONE.

I fully believe they will draft a QB early, anyway. We can disagree on that.

QB’s are odd ducks. Their success comes and goes. Look at this years starters. Some up, some down.

they didn’t pay a heavy price. At all.

 

[g00n]

RE: the JAX game, Indy hadn't won in Jacksonville SINCE 2014.

That's Luck, Hasselbeck, Luck, Brissett, Luck, Brissett, Rivers, Wentz all losing in JAX.

This generally shitty 2021 Jaguars team also somehow beat the Bills.

If ownership is moving on from CW because of THAT they need to have their heads examined. Something else has to be behind it.

 

[ChaosLord]

I still can't understand why Wentz was brilliant in first year with the Eagles, and has been trash ever since.
But whatever. Another foolish move by the Commandos.

 

[g00n]

As for the Raiders, why would anyone think that was a gimme game for INDY? CW rallied in the 3rd quarter to come from behind but the defense gave that up in the 4th. CW drove them into FG position and they tied the game but LV won it on a FG as time expired, with the Colts defense blowing a 4th quarter lead for the 2nd time in the game.

LV finished the season 4-0 beating CLE, DEN, and LAC as well. They made the playoffs and lost to the eventual AFC champ Bengals.

 

[g00n]

 

[pman25]

I mean I don’t mind the trade, who else did we have a shot at? It’s about the best we can hope for, and losing two third round picks is hardly devastating. But also if this fails, I don’t really give a shit because this franchise sucked out all joy I had for football a long time ago

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

He really does love him some glory hole.

 

[Cush]

How Does Carson Wentz Fit In Washington? | The Draft Network

For Wentz, and looking toward the 2022 season, who knows if he’s the answer. If history is any indication, it’ll be a bunch of Taylor Heinicke, Kyle Allen, or *insert QB name here* leading the Commanders come Thanksgiving. But for today, and hours after a move centered around a window for success with youth-infused talent on both sides of the ball, a 100 mph throw at a dartboard in hopes of a bullseye could, soon, kick the carousel into fifth-gear once again.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

I am glad you are zen about this. I am not.

There’s so much bad about this deal it’s hard to know where to start. They overpaid in assets to get him. His contract is one of the worst in the NFL at the position. They wasted one of the best assets they had to get better in order to get him: cap space. He doesn’t move the needle for this team at all — the Colts had a better roster and played in a shittier division and he couldn’t get it done.

Washington will not draft a QB now in the 1st, according to multiple insiders. The long term solution is still not on the roster. This entire next season will now be a weekly dissection of Carson Wentz and is he or isn’t he the QB of the future. He brings no stability to the organization and goes against everything Ron said he wanted to do at the QB position.

It doesn’t matter if the Colts are smart or not. There was no market for him except for Washington and they outbid themselves which says all you need to know about him as a player and them as an organization. This was not a bidding war situation like Russ. And it was the coach who was his OC when he was drafted and who coached him during his one really good season (which was five years ago in 2017) who decided to cut him loose after one year. The Colts would rather have no QB on the roster and take a gamble at finding better than Wentz.

There are better options out there. That’s objectively true. Whether or not they could have signed them is a different story but they settled on a bad option and paid too much.

I hope I’m wrong but they could not have handled this any worse if they tried. This was a panic buy and those almost always crash and burn.

*screams into void and punches air

Reeeeeelax…..it’s 2 3rds, maaaaybe one turns into a 2nd.

Dude they can’t get anyone really good. No good QB WANTS to play here….nobody. So in all this sweating over a 2nd and 3rd, remember the extra freight they have to pay.

They had no choice but to trade for a guy they can control.

now….if they don’t take a QB in the 1st or 2nd I will be annoyed.

Otherwise, my expectations have not changed….mediocre at best.

 

[Corby78]

He really does love him some glory hole.

So why is she suing him? Because he gave them money for 25 years????

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

So why is she suing him? Because he gave them money for 25 years????

so she can openly say she’s his daughter?

 

[Langway]

Aren't they now bound to take BPA at 11 at least? Or trade back? The organizational pressure is such that they're always going to just be desperate to be mediocre and nothing more. If they draft well maybe it works but I'd be a bit surprised. Wentz seems right up their alley when it comes leaderpship.

It's disappointing mainly because this is the reality of this franchise even when they want to be bold and aspirational. They have no value to cash in.

 

[Cush]

Aren't they now bound to take BPA at 11 at least? Or trade back? The organizational pressure is such that they're always going to just be desperate to be mediocre and nothing more. If they draft well maybe it works but I'd be a bit surprised. Wentz seems right up their alley when it comes leaderpship.

It's disappointing mainly because this is the reality of this franchise even when they want to be bold and aspirational. They have no value to cash in.

At this point I'd trade back unless there's an unexpected slide like Allen

 

[Jags]

Some please explain it to me: why do people think Wentz has any chance at rebounding?

I don't think they're invested in a rebound. 1 year isn't really much of an investment at all. IF things go well (which is the only way they'll let him take 70% of the snaps, so I wouldn't worry about that 2nd), THEN maybe we want to keep him and he'll be more jazzed about being here. If not, we all go our separate ways and we either have the QB we drafted this year or we draft one next year instead and shop next year's FA market for another stopgap.

The picks aren't really that big a deal. Wentz IS an upgrade at the position, and we need to right the ship so we can start turning the on-the-field reputation of the team around. And that IS the part of the reputation that really matters. Say what you want about how Snyder is regarded, he's not the only pervy shithead to own an NHL team. And no one really seems to give a shit what the owner is up to (Kraft) as long as the team is winning.

We need to start showing consistent promise on the field. A better QB could really help. Wentz is a tier or two above all the FA options except for maybe Winston, and Winston has to be on our no-fly list because he's got a pervy rep, too. Every headline we can make for actually being a good football team is one less headline about us being an abominable franchise. It's gotta start somewhere, and down here at the bottom of the barrel Wentz is about as good as you can expect to do.

 

[Jacoby4HOF66]

So why is she suing him? Because he gave them money for 25 years????

She wants money is my guess.

 

[BobbyClarkeFan16]

This football team, I swear it's like watching a car wreck you can't turn your head away from. And every now and then, we get one season where they overachieve and make everyone think they're on the right path. Now watch Wentz go out, reinvent himself and his image and have a career year.

 

[usiel]

Would have been pissed if they gave up their 1st round pick. Still prefer they draft a QB with the 11th pick I know some are more bullish on the qb prospects but I like em.

 

[hockeykicker]

Dude.

he wasnt going to sign with us as an FA. That’s the assumption made here.

He’s got one yr left on his deal. ONE.

I fully believe they will draft a QB early, anyway. We can disagree on that.

QB’s are odd ducks. Their success comes and goes. Look at this years starters. Some up, some down.

they didn’t pay a heavy price. At all.

Technically he has like 3 or 4 years left on his contract. He just has an opt out after this year

 

[g00n]

Looks like days worth of Wentz analysis and lamentations are gone. As are the shit waffle posts.

RIP shit waffle posts.

Now come the days of Commodes. And Shit Waffles.

 

[g00n]

Last night's GDT also gone. Watching the recording of the game...Kuzy robbed Ovie of the big goal.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Yeah. The site migration isn’t going all that well

 

[HTFN]

List is getting shorter

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Add Wentz to the list, I guess.

Newton looks done, as does Dalton.
Taylor has always been overrated.
Winston runs very hot or very cold and the injury is a concern.
Brissett is about as exciting as brisket.
Bridgewater suddenly seems like the logical target for a lot of teams for some reason.
Mariota has the sheen of the un-played-with toy on the shelf.
Flacco is a backup now.
Trubisky is a meathead.

Glerm. Derm.

the f***

I like brisket