OT: Washington Commanders: 2022 Offseason - Part 1 - Commander Carson Edition
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BobbyClarkeFan16
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Did I not say that when Martin Mayhew and Marty Hurney were hired that they weren't going to be anything more than yes men to Ron? If the Commanders had a real GM and not some stooge that only got hired due to his friendship with the coach and his status within the organization, this move wouldn't have happened.
The only good news about this is that ripoff Ron and his management collection of r-e-t-a-r-d-s are gone after this year if this tanks. With that being said, I'm neither high nor low on Wentz. He's a better quarterback than Heinicke and there's no disputing that. Heinicke tried to ball, but the physical limitations are too much to overcome.
I'm interested in seeing how Wentz performs behind the Washington o- line and with some good receivers at his disposal. The other good news about this move is that the onus is now on Scott Turner, his offensive system and how he plans on integrating Wentz. There's no more excuses now. Washington has got the big armed quarterback they want to run Turner's system and if it fails, it's all on them.
This is going to be incredible to watch in that this is going to either be a revival for Wentz or the final nail in the Rivera and co. coffin.
The only good news about this is that ripoff Ron and his management collection of r-e-t-a-r-d-s are gone after this year if this tanks. With that being said, I'm neither high nor low on Wentz. He's a better quarterback than Heinicke and there's no disputing that. Heinicke tried to ball, but the physical limitations are too much to overcome.
I'm interested in seeing how Wentz performs behind the Washington o- line and with some good receivers at his disposal. The other good news about this move is that the onus is now on Scott Turner, his offensive system and how he plans on integrating Wentz. There's no more excuses now. Washington has got the big armed quarterback they want to run Turner's system and if it fails, it's all on them.
This is going to be incredible to watch in that this is going to either be a revival for Wentz or the final nail in the Rivera and co. coffin.
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Neil Racki
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Why wouldnt we be on the hook for the 6.1M bonus in 2023 and 2024?
Im hoping we hear an update that the Colts are eating some of his 2022 bonus money to offset that 28M cap hit.
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Ideal world, we draft WR Garrett Wilson at 11, go 0-17 with Heinike and then draft a franchise QB (Young/Stroud) at 1.1. But Ron doesnt tank.
If Wentz doesnt get injured, our offense will at least have a legit long ball component to it. But hes inaccurate on crossing routes and doesnt do well with quick passing games so .....
He does add a component to our offense that we havent had in a while.
Offense could easily be bottom 5 again next year but it will be a different kind of suck that would get us there.
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Neil Racki
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Dang cancelled my Mark Bullock subscription a few months ago ... would love to see and read his film breakdown of Wentz
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I saw this and laughed...... Then I realized that trade was real........ any care I had left is gone.
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Corby78
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on a positive note, Kevin Sheehan can add another name to list of washington QBs since snyder that he likes to read off.
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I'm pretty much there too. Unsure how many games I will watch this year, after watching only about half last year.
On a scale of 1 to 5 Mark Brunells, the Carson Wentz trade rates a solid 2.5 Donovan McNabbs.
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Hail, Shitty Waffles
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Brother —
You are making a LOT of assumptions.
-assuming Colts are smart
-assuming that Wentz will stink (didn’t last year)
-assuming they won’t draft a QB 1st/2nd now
-assuming he’d sign here after being waived
-assuming there we better options for a vet
-assuming to for more than 1yr.
Wentz play last year May have turned a 7-10 teams into a 10-7 team. He played better than any QB we have.
Wentz starts
Heinicke backs up
Drafted QB is 3rd
They will cut and restructure deals to get more cap space.
I’m very ZEN about this. It’s all ok
BobbyClarkeFan16
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Honestly, it's amazing how calm one can be about giving up two high draft picks for a QB you hope doesn't finish the season when one had already given up hope for the season anyway.
The good news is that it wasn't a first and if they move down, they can recoup the picks. When Scherff signs elsewhere, that should be a third the Commanders will receive. So it's possible the picks get replenished.
What I don't like about the deal is that this feels like a panic/just get something done so that someone is in place. I'm also wondering if agents for the players were contacted and it was general consensus no one was going to come here. If that's the case, then that would explain the move. It doesn't absolve them, but it explains why they did what they did.
Ultimately, this is a make or break move and with Wentz's salary only being one year, if he stinks up the joint, there's $28 million extra freed up.
They gave up a 3rd for a starting QB. A real one.
The 2nd flip is 5 picks (42 to 47). Everyone needs to chill the F out
It’s not 2 “high” draft picks. Unless you consider a 3rd “high”Honestly, it's amazing how calm one can be about giving up two high draft picks for a QB you hope doesn't finish the season when one had already given up hope for the season anyway.
That’s not true. They gave up two thirds and the 2023 third can become a second if Wentz hits certain parameters. They also moved down in the second as a result of the pick swap.
The Colts were going to release Wentz. Washington originally offered a 4th and a 6th and then panicked when they lost out on Wilson. It almost defies logic how shitty they handled this.
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He couldn’t beat the Jaguars with the playoffs on the line. In fact, if I’m not mistaken, he finished the season 0-4. That’s troubling to say the least.
Terrible chump move by a chump organization.
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I am glad you are zen about this. I am not.
There’s so much bad about this deal it’s hard to know where to start. They overpaid in assets to get him. His contract is one of the worst in the NFL at the position. They wasted one of the best assets they had to get better in order to get him: cap space. He doesn’t move the needle for this team at all — the Colts had a better roster and played in a shittier division and he couldn’t get it done.
Washington will not draft a QB now in the 1st, according to multiple insiders. The long term solution is still not on the roster. This entire next season will now be a weekly dissection of Carson Wentz and is he or isn’t he the QB of the future. He brings no stability to the organization and goes against everything Ron said he wanted to do at the QB position.
It doesn’t matter if the Colts are smart or not. There was no market for him except for Washington and they outbid themselves which says all you need to know about him as a player and them as an organization. This was not a bidding war situation like Russ. And it was the coach who was his OC when he was drafted and who coached him during his one really good season (which was five years ago in 2017) who decided to cut him loose after one year. The Colts would rather have no QB on the roster and take a gamble at finding better than Wentz.
There are better options out there. That’s objectively true. Whether or not they could have signed them is a different story but they settled on a bad option and paid too much.
I hope I’m wrong but they could not have handled this any worse if they tried. This was a panic buy and those almost always crash and burn.
*screams into void and punches air
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