Was 08-09 Crosby closer to 13-14 Crosby than we think?

[Matsun]

13-14 is considered one of Crosbys best regular seasons and 08-09 is seen as one of his worst. I gor the idea to compare these regular seasons since Crosby and Getzlaf scored around the same amount of points both seasons. First the top 5 scorers in 09:

2008-09	GP	P
Malkin	82	113
Ovechkin	81	110
Crosby	77	103
Datsuyk	82	97
Parise	82	94

Now lets see 2014:

2013-14	GP	P
Crosby	80	104
Getzlaf	77	87
Giroux	82	86
Seguin	80	84
Perry	81	82

Obviously 13-14 looks more impressive for Crosby, but there are some things that stand out. First off 08-09 Malkin and Ovechkin are clearly better than any player 13-14 Crosby competed against, secondly the top players in 08-09 played more games than Crosby while the top per game scorers in 13-14 missed alot of games. Here are the players with the best scoring pace in the 2 seasons.

2008-09	GP	Pace	P
Ovechkin	79	114	110
Malkin	82	113	113
Crosby	77	110	103
Semin (!)	62	104	79
Datsuyk	82	97	97

2013-14	GP	Pace	P
Crosby	80	107	104
Malkin	60	98	72
Tavares	59	95	68
Getzlaf	77	93	87
Hall	75	87	80

If we remove Ovechkin and Malkin from 08-09 I think these seasons start looking really close.

2008-09	GP	Pace	P
Crosby	77	110	103
Semin (!)	62	104	79
Datsuyk	82	97	97
Kovalchuk	79	94	91
Parise	82	94	94
Getzlaf	81	92	91

2013-14	GP	Pace	P
Crosby	80	107	104
Malkin	60	98	72
Tavares	59	95	68
Getzlaf	77	93	87
Hall	75	87	80
Seguin	80	86	84

Notice how healthy the top per game scorers in 08-09 were. Crosby goes from playing the 2nd fewest games among per game leaders to playing the most. 13-14 was also the season Stamkos had his first terrible injury, otherwise he would likely would've been hovering around 95 points too.

Crosby has gone from slightly being outscored by Malkin in 08-09 to clearly outscoring him in 13-14, but how much of that is because Crosby has improved and how much is because Malkin has regressed? If there was a peak Ovechkin in the league in 2013-14 would Crosby outscore him? Not sure. Clearly Crosby had a better season in 2013-14, but I wonder how much that was due to him being better than 08-09 and how much was due to outside factors.

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[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Crosby was just fine in 08-09. Also have to remember he was just 21 years old.

 

[Video Nasty]

Yeah, I mean it’s a basic point most people don’t seem to get. Just because Crosby had weak, injured competition in 2013-2014, it doesn’t mean he was better as an individual. The fuss about 2013-2014 has always been overblown.

 

[Letsdothis]

The average 5vs5 scoring rate for forwards plummeted for whatever reason during 2011-17. Not only that, but powerplay opportunities were well down as well. I'll dig the data once I'm on my computer. It was a really tough time to put up gaudy point totals.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

I remember all the talk after and during that season that ovechkin and malkin were having great seasons while crosby was having a poor one. Crosby was firmly second/third in scoring almost entire year n was on pace for 3 and 4 less points than the older russians.

 

[Offtheboard412]

I remember all the talk after and during that season that ovechkin and malkin were having great seasons while crosby was having a poor one. Crosby was firmly second/third in scoring almost entire year n was on pace for 3 and 4 less points than the older russians.

Yes I remember very well just how over the top the criticism for Crosby was that year. I often see people claim the top end competition in that period was weak, but a peak Ovechkin and Malkin plus a peak Datsyuk scoring 97 points while winning the Selke was pretty stiff competition and for the most part Crosby kept pace that year. I understand the hype for Crosby was skewing people's perception of that season, and I know this will probably open a can of worms, but that year gets disrespected way more than it should. Is it really any worse than say, McDavid in 18/19? I don't remember people talking about McDavid nearly as harshly as they did for Crosby in 08/09.