Online Series: WandaVision - Spring 2021 on Disney+

[izzy]

I’d say it was a pretty disappointing end all things considered

 

[Prairie Habs]

Started out uninterested with the supposed premise of "sitcoms through the decades, but superheroes" and stopped watching after the first episode. I had been hearing the whole time about how it was so much more than that and I finally got the recommend last week from a source whose taste I trust and got caught up in time for the finale today. There was a time in the middle where I really liked it, but it really fell apart for me towards the end. I just couldn't get over the fact that the good guy was holding thousands of people hostage and mind r*ping them while the bad guys never really did anything close to that bad (mostly just wanted her to stop?). It could have been more interesting if they actually acknowledged full stop that she was the bad guy, but they never really came close. It was definitely different though, which I appreciate, and maybe people who read the comics got more out of it, but I'm still disappointed with where it went.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Started out uninterested with the supposed premise of "sitcoms through the decades, but superheroes" and stopped watching after the first episode. I had been hearing the whole time about how it was so much more than that and I finally got the recommend last week from a source whose taste I trust and got caught up in time for the finale today. There was a time in the middle where I really liked it, but it really fell apart for me towards the end. I just couldn't get over the fact that the good guy was holding thousands of people hostage and mind r*ping them while the bad guys never really did anything close to that bad (mostly just wanted her to stop?). It could have been more interesting if they actually acknowledged full stop that she was the bad guy, but they never really came close. It was definitely different though, which I appreciate, and maybe people who read the comics got more out of it, but I'm still disappointed with where it went.

She was not a bad guy or a good guy, she was a woman trying to cope with the death of her boyfriend. That's the entire point.

She accidentally created the world and got caught up in it.

At the end, she realizes what she has done and sacrifices her dream family for the greater good. She even ACKNOWLEDGES that she was the bad guy:

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When she tells Monica that, like all of the town folks, she must hate her

 

[Prairie Habs]

She was not a bad guy or a good guy, she was a woman trying to cope with the death of her boyfriend. That's the entire point.

She accidentally created the world and got caught up in it.

At the end, she realizes what she has done and sacrifices her dream family for the greater good. She even ACKNOWLEDGES that she was the bad guy:

Spoiler

When she tells Monica that, like all of the town folks, she must hate her

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But then they immediately let her off the hook by Monica saying they would never understand her sacrifice. She "sacrificed" her imaginary kids and reanimated dead husband to release thousands of people from slavery. That would already be an easy trade even without considering that SHE was the one enslaving them. You don't get a get out of jail free card for enslaving thousands because your boyfriend died.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

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But then they immediately let her off the hook by Monica saying they would never understand her sacrifice. She "sacrificed" her imaginary kids and reanimated dead husband to release thousands of people from slavery. That would already be an easy trade even without considering that SHE was the one enslaving them. You don't get a get out of jail free card for enslaving thousands because your boyfriend died.

No.

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You get a get-out-of-jail card for originally losing your boyfriend while saving the motherf***ing universe (literally). I guess that buys you a lot of leeway

And, tbh, you are better letting her go than trying to fight her... unless you have like 5 Avengers ready to be deployed

 

[Stealth1616]

The fan theories definitely got carried away but the people involved in the show didn’t do any favours. Why did 3 of the actors claim there were going to be some major cameos? What was the point of casting Evan Peters in that role to basically troll fans and make a silly joke ?

 

[Scandale du Jour]

The fan theories definitely got carried away but the people involved in the show didn’t do any favours. Why did 3 of the actors claim there were going to be some major cameos? What was the point of casting Evan Peters in that role to basically troll fans and make a silly joke ?

The point? Next time, you won't have expectations when they will hit you with a real surprise.

Risky strategy, I agree.

 

[Prairie Habs]

No.

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You get a get-out-of-jail card for originally losing your boyfriend while saving the motherf***ing universe (literally). I guess that buys you a lot of leeway

And, tbh, you are better letting her go than trying to fight her... unless you have like 5 Avengers ready to be deployed

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Gonna disagree completely with your first point.

The second seems totally antithetical to every movie that came before. It will be tough to take down this rogue superhero that's enslaving thousands? Better not try then. Isn't her entire story that she was radicalized by being the victim of unrestrained power? Seems weird that the conclusion to her story is that unrestrained power being used for evil shouldn't be punished.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

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Gonna disagree completely with your first point.

The second seems totally antithetical to every movie that came before. It will be tough to take down this rogue superhero that's enslaving thousands? Better not try then. Isn't her entire story that she was radicalized by being the victim of unrestrained power? Seems weird that the conclusion to her story is that unrestrained power being used for evil shouldn't be punished.

The second point was a joke. Sorry if that was not clear. I tend not to overthink these movies/series and take them at face value

I do not expect them to have Shakespeare quality writing.

 

[Prairie Habs]

The second point was a joke. Sorry if that was not clear. I tend not to overthink these movies/series and take them at face value

I do not expect them to have Shakespeare quality writing.

I agree. My problem with it was that this is what I saw on the face if it, and couldn't get passed it. I would be willing to overlook it if they presented a sensible counter narrative, but I just don't see a scenario here where Wanda is the good guy.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

I agree. My problem with it was that this is what I saw on the face if it, and couldn't get passed it. I would be willing to overlook it if they presented a sensible counter narrative, but I just don't see a scenario here where Wanda is the good guy.

Fair enough.

Honestly, I do not think they tried to show her as the good guy. They tried to show her as conflicted. I thought it work. You don't. Fair enough.

 

[KallioWeHardlyKnewYe]

I give it about a B. And my feelings were pretty consistent through the entire run of the show. Well acted, particularly Olsen. Pretty clever conceit.

I honestly would have been very surprised if Marvel used a show to launch any major characters or concepts so I was always pretty skeptical of a lot of the fan predictions running around. The movies are the big dogs -- the fact that they haven't decided to just stream Black Widow is obvious proof of that. Clear divide between how they see movies and how they see the TV shows. At least so far. It was always a little silly to expect Reed Richards or the X-Men to come walking through those doors. Fun? Sure. And it certainly feels like the material was there to do it if they so chose, but there was always pretty compelling real world evidence suggesting that wasn't the case.

Once again, fan theories run wild and the actual results don't live up.

 

[Guardian17]

That was a fantastic finale.

Love the new Scarlet Witch!

 

[KallioWeHardlyKnewYe]

I do wonder how WandaVision would play if it were the 2nd show to launch after Falcon and The Winter Soldier as was the original pre-pandemic plan. I feel like a lot of weight it was never designed to carry was put on it both as the first show and as the first new Marvel product since Spider-Man: Far From Home. In some ways that couldn't be helped. But it's pretty clear this was a small, contained and secondary show as opposed to something envisioned or designed to make large waves in the overall MCU. A lot of folks came to expect the latter. (Marvel and the cast definitely stoked some of this ...)

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I enjoyed it quite a bit...

I mean yeah, none of the crazy theories turned out to be true, and yeah maybe we were all lead on as fans by some of the comments from the cast before hand(Mind you Paul Bettany's comments are absolutely brilliant and hilarious now in hind sight).


But at the end of the day, it was still extremely well written, it did include one somewhat significant twist(Agatha) and the introduction of some new characters that I'm still quite confident will have significant roles in the MCU moving forward(Agatha, Monica, and the Twins). Especially in relation to the two end credit scenes, as well as the comments from Agatha at her end... I still believe this will prove to have some heavy foreshadowing into the events coming forward and into the Multiverse of Madness. Plus we have the Darkhold introduced which no question is going to play a significant role soon.

But ya I enjoyed it a lot. It was a great character development piece for one of my favorite Avengers already in Wanda and I am even more excited to see her character arc moving forward.



And now we wait just 2 weeks until Falcon/The Winter Soldier which I'm sure will be a great series as well.




One other thought I had.... White Vision will be very interesting to see where and how he pops up next.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

On the eve of the Confederacy's loss, the black population of Richmond began celebrating the imminent arrival of the Union army. Looking down upon the jubilant district from the soon-to-be former POTCSA mansion, Jefferson Davis was soon joined by Robert E. Lee. As they watched the greatest party 1865 would ever see unfold, Lee remarked: "They'll never know what we sacrificed to save them...".

Anyway I thought the series was mostly underwhelming, with the ending sliding into pretty bad territory. I haven't seen a series raise interesting ideas and conflicts and then show zero interest in exploring them in lieu for random bullshit since....Marvel's Civil War. Which probably means the more I think on this the more I hate it.

Biggest laugh: SWORD director pulling his gun and trying to shoot some kids, like wtf?!

I like how the show thinks what Agatha did was bad enough for Wanda to subject her to what the show has consistently emphasized is a waking nightmare with no hope of escape- but oh also, if Agatha hadn't shown up and forced Wanda to confront she was basically torturing people the Hex would probably have gone on forever and all those people would still be trapped in a mire of endless madness and grief.

 

[beowulf]

Sad but totally fine with that ending. We know white Vision is still kicking so we will see him at some point I am sure. Mid-credit scene links with the one from the last Spider-Mam movie and the after credit links into Doctor Strange 2.

Great show and can only hope the rest of these Disney+ shows continue to be this good.

 

[beowulf]

I agree. My problem with it was that this is what I saw on the face if it, and couldn't get passed it. I would be willing to overlook it if they presented a sensible counter narrative, but I just don't see a scenario here where Wanda is the good guy.

And how is she the bad guy though? She has powers she did not really understand and in her grief created this world without realizing it. I am not saying it should be without repercussions and I think we will see that in The Multiverse of Madness.

 

[Prairie Habs]

And how is she the bad guy though? She has powers she did not really understand and in her grief created this world without realizing it. I am not saying it should be without repercussions and I think we will see that in The Multiverse of Madness.

Seemed pretty intentional. Especially when she was repeatedly confronted with what she did and refused to fix it.

 

[NotASheep]

The feeling some have on line is that Samual L Jackson was supposed to show up at the end of the shoot, but due to his age and covid restrictions were starting as the shoot came to an end, it did not work out

 

[Power Man]

I totally geeked out when Vision shed a tear, a famous moment from the comics

btw you can hear the Dr Strange theme in the 2nd post credit scene, Wanda even uses he astral form to study like Strange did in his 1st movie

Also I nailed that Fury prediction. too lazy to look my older posts up

He was actually supposed to show up but SLJ couldn’t because of his age and Covid restrictions

 

[Tawnos]

Not every story requires its characters to be the good guy or the bad guy. MCU content tends to be that way, and this was a nice departure from that.

It’s also nice to see them tell a small story.

I’d give it a B+/A- kind of grade.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Massive let down, but not surprised people went overboard with theories.

 

[ItsFineImFine]

I KNEW they'd kill Vision again but I was wrong about Quicksilver. I was vehemenent that none of those bigger fan theories would really be true because it's a TV show and not a movie but I thought they WOULD at least use that Quicksilver cameo to tease a multiverse or the X-Men in the end and they seemed to let that go to waste. We know that the X-Men are gonna come into this eventually but maybe the MCU isn't as tied together as well like like to think and there is a bit of a make it up as you go along element to this (they couldn't resist themselves though, even in the finale they mention 'Cliff' and he isn't brought in).

Still don't enjoy her action scenes that much, they're very Harry Potter-esque and Harry Potter is cheesy on film. I know the Falcon show ill be on a smaller scale in terms of story but probably more tense scenes.

 

[Michael HOMERUNing]

Cannot wait till Loki