Confirmed with Link: Walman and a 2nd Round Pick traded to SJ

[Gniwder]

You know, Stevie isn't in the locker room every game or every practice. You have to figure someone, either coach or player had to have gone to Stevie to complain. I'd like to know who that Karen is, and kick him off the team. I have a feeling it's Fester, he seems easily butthurt.

In any case, I hope Walman continues to light it up so that Stevie focuses on winning instead of protecting this loser team culture.

 

[RabidBadger]

I'm sure everyone would be so happy if we sucked this bad with Walman instead of without him. Pretty sure the result is the same even if he wasn't traded. But hey, you would get to watch suckiness with effort (that he clearly lacked the end of last season)and that infectious personality. Zadina gave good effort too. Let us lament Filip and Jacob.

 

[SantosHalper]

I wonder if then internet and hfboards would have existed, how many pages would Adam Oates traded-thread have now?

 

[RabidBadger]

I wonder if then internet and hfboards would have existed, how many pages would Adam Oates traded-thread have now?

Zero! Who gives a crap about a guy who never did the griddy?

 

[Austrianwing]

Zero! Who gives a crap about a guy who never did the griddy?

You say that as if we really know what his post-game cellys were like in the locker room. We may never know!

 

[TheClap]

You say that as if we really know what his post-game cellys were like in the locker room. We may never know!

I have it on good authority that he was a mean pop and locker.

 

[Konnan511]

Let's say it is true, that he didn't buy into the team culture when we were absolutely shitty. Boo freaking who. Him, Hronek, and Ghost make our DLine substantially better.

The defense we put on the ice against Montreal has to be the worst in the league.

 

[Redwing66]

Can’t believe some of the analysis praising getting rid of defensive talent and a second round draft pick. This “trade” was an offseason lowlight that setup the season we now witness. Horrid moves beget horrid teams. Walman deserved a better fate wish there was future considerations given to the trash we’d watch this year.

 

[Realgud]

The comments from Larkin that whatever locker room issue was "addressed in the offseason" look absolutely awful right now. Larkin isn't having a great season based on his standard (still a vgood player, don't get me wrong) and the team dropped from a top 5 offense for most of last season to dead last in the league now. If anything, this makes me heavily question the leadership/coaching in place if their opinion was that Walman was such a problem that you had to get rid of him and the result now is being arguably a bottom 3 team in the NHL after almost making it into the playoffs last season. This trade was, and still is, inexcusable. Ofc it was fair to give it the benefit of the doubt and wait for this season to be underway and assess the trade after seeing where the team would be, but it's quite obvious that losing Walman for less than nothing was a major blunder at this point. Maybe the team goes on a hot streak and proves us wrong but I find that hard to believe.

I know people want to "get over it" but this needs to be mentioned as long as team looks a bad as they do and Walman looks as good as he does.

 

[Filppula]

Was going through videos on my phone and came across one I took February 11, Walman scoring in OT. The boys all so pumped up, Walman totally pumped up. What the heck happened towards the end of last season that was SO BAD that Yzerman literally threw him aside and gave up a second? Unreal. Like it boggles the mind that it could’ve been that bad.

 

[norrisnick]

Was going through videos on my phone and came across one I took February 11, Walman scoring in OT. The boys all so pumped up, Walman totally pumped up. What the heck happened towards the end of last season that was SO BAD that Yzerman literally threw him aside and gave up a second? Unreal. Like it boggles the mind that it could’ve been that bad.

Probably the 1 point and -9 in his last 18 games which were the Wings' last 31 games.

 

[Filppula]

Probably the 1 point and -9 in his last 18 games which were the Wings' last 31 games.

Yeah. But why? Injured? And poor rehab? Are we not an organisation that can deal with poor patches? Or even poor choices? When the guy in question is a valuable member of our pretty pathetic defence.

And we struggled down the stretch, goes to show his impact.

 

[norrisnick]

Yeah. But why? Injured? And poor rehab? Are we not an organisation that can deal with poor patches? Or even poor choices? When the guy in question is a valuable member of our pretty pathetic defence.

And we struggled down the stretch, goes to show his impact.

I highly doubt Walman or Yzerman will go into specifics. And no, we aren't yet an organization that can deal with poor patches. Still very fragile. We ride highs and lows. An emotional bunch that gets down itself relatively easily when things aren't going well. As the core alongside Dylan get older, that should hopefully level out.

I mean... it wasn't a good impact... so...

 

[Retire91]

Yeah. But why? Injured? And poor rehab? Are we not an organisation that can deal with poor patches? Or even poor choices? When the guy in question is a valuable member of our pretty pathetic defence.

And we struggled down the stretch, goes to show his impact.

Complete speculation. If I were to take an honest to goodness guess, its feels like involvement with one or more of the other player's girls like back in the day Carter Hartnel, or something personally equivalent like money nightlife drugs theft that are not easily worked through. I mean the level of health care these people have access to is off the charts and that would include mental health with councilors who's whole profession is conflict resolution and organizational psychology. Whatever it was it was felt by the organization it was unworkable.

 

[TheClap]

Complete speculation. If I were to take an honest to goodness guess, its feels like involvement with one or more of the other player's girls like back in the day Carter Hartnel, or something personally equivalent like money nightlife drugs theft that are not easily worked through. I mean the level of health care these people have access to is off the charts and that would include mental health with councilors who's whole profession is conflict resolution and organizational psychology. Whatever it was it was felt by the organization it was unworkable.

This is some wildly speculative bullshit.

 

[ricky0034]

This is some wildly speculative bullshit.

I think it should be clear to everyone at this point that what actually happened is Walman got replaced by an identical looking alien and Yzerman knows and was extremely unnerved by it but couldn't get out of the contract because he doesn't have any actual proof so he traded him away

the future considerations are that San Jose will trade him back if the original Walman ever returns

 

[Oddbob]

You know, Stevie isn't in the locker room every game or every practice. You have to figure someone, either coach or player had to have gone to Stevie to complain. I'd like to know who that Karen is, and kick him off the team. I have a feeling it's Fester, he seems easily butthurt.

In any case, I hope Walman continues to light it up so that Stevie focuses on winning instead of protecting this loser team culture.

My honest thought is Ben Chiarot. He gives off the my shit don't stink vibe and I'm really important vibe as well to me.

 

[JoesuffP]

Or we had to structure the cap and walman and matta were the only defensmen that were tradeable

Larkin’s comments were very telling tho about as much as a guy like Larkin would ever get into specifics. I always remember Walman playing like crap for a couple weeks every time he hit the griddy. He always did it after a big goal tho

 

[MabusIncarnate]

Walman, if maintaining the same production, would be tied with Cat for 3rd on this team in scoring right now with 25 points.

 

[SoupNazi]

Walman, if maintaining the same production, would be tied with Cat for 3rd on this team in scoring right now with 25 points.

Although I get your point, there’s no way Walman puts up the same production on this team.

 

[LongTimeDRWF]

Although I get your point, there’s no way Walman puts up the same production on this team.

With Ed moved up last year, Walman was likely going to be the 3rd pair LD this season if he stayed, it could be part of his end of last season decline as he was seeing the writing on the wall.

Even on the second pair, he would not be getting the ice time with the wings he is currently getting with the sharks, but his days of where he thought he should be playing were done with the wings.

I suspect SY did him a solid by moving him and clearing away a potential locker room friction…the kids will be arriving and clearing out plugs over the next few seasons, I think the older ones accept that, some of the younger plugs, not so much.

Glad he doing well with the sharks, he seems to be taking advantage of the opportunity given to him.

 

[The Zermanator]

Although I get your point, there’s no way Walman puts up the same production on this team.

If only we had some data that might suggest how he would perform on the Wings...

 

[saska sault]

Walman is like an ex girlfriend to some that they cant let go of. Instead of checking social media for posts about her, and for pictures of her with a new man... you check Hockeydb and his stats and reminisce about him even though it was a toxic relationship in the first place.

 

[Gniwder]

Walman is like an ex girlfriend to some that they cant let go. Instead of checking social media for posts about her, and for pictures of her with a new man... you check Hockeydb and his stats and reminisce about him even though it was a toxic relationship in the first place.

I'm beginning to wonder if he asked for a trade considering Fester demoted and scratched him.

If you look at the situation, it's pretty typical for a player to get traded to a cellar team when they ask to be traded. Maybe Grier got greedy and asked for a 2nd, and Stevie caved in.

 

[Retire91]

This is some wildly speculative bullshit.

So Yzerman paid to get rid of him for no reason. Solid logic