Confirmed with Link: Walman and a 2nd Round Pick traded to SJ

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Lazlo Hollyfeld

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For better or worse, Yzerman is big on personality and once he doesn't like you, you're out the door. Walman did something that made Yzerman dislike him. A few guys on the team- Larkin- seem to have probably felt similarly to Stevie Y. At least a few bits of evidence point to it being related to Walman struggling to come back from injury and the team feeling that he could have tried harder, wasn't as injured as he made out to be, and/or didn't work through the pain well enough when in the lineup. Perhaps he had too much fun on vacation in Tampa too. Perhaps there's something totally unrelated that we never even got word of- the proverbial zamboni trough piss.

My personal opinion is that this was ridiculously stupid regardless. We had a ton of bad defenseman to get rid of, and we chose one of the good ones. We moved him at a time when he had no value and in an apparent panic. If we did this that fast because we can't tolerate having someone we don't like on the team dress for us, I think that's a little immature, but I do understand how important team buy-in can be. If someday we're in the playoffs and we're watching every guy give every ounce of their being to will the team to victory, that will be a nice consequence of this mentality.

The more worrying notion is that perhaps this was done to free up cap space in a desperate gamble to acquire Jacob Trouba. He's another washed up echo of his former self that we should know would be an immediate disaster on our blue line in anything more than a third pairing role (like every defenseman we sign/trade for). That notion terrifies me most of all as it indicates this "bring in bad defenseman" strategy isn't the "there's no sense paying assets to bring in good defenseman before the kids are ready, so we'll acquire stop gaps from the bargain bin" strategy that we delude ourselves into believing it is. Trying to bring in Trouba implies that Steve Yzerman watches Jeff Petry, Ben Chiarot, Justin Holl, and Jacob Trouba play defense and says to himself "oh yeah, I want more of that on my team." If so, this team is doomed unless our prospects just turn out to be so good that we never acquire pro scouted defenseman in the Yzerman era. It doesn't matter how much buy-in you get from garbage players. They're going to give you garbage results.

Regardless, the final result is that we have a terrible defense having lost our second best defender. Edvinsson has fortunately managed to succeed being thrust immediately into a top pairing role with some of the hardest minutes in the league. Unfortunately, Petry and Chiarot on the second pairing together have not faired nearly as well.

Walman wasn't our second best defender. That's not to say losing him for nothing, for less than nothing actually giving up a 2nd, isn't bad.

I've said it before but I find it hard to believe he moved Walman in anticipation of getting Trouba. GM's handle multi-team deals all the time. For Yzerman to prematurely move Walman means he's an idiot. And the only other options are that Drury either massively screwed up or massively screwed Yzerman over.

If that's the case I sure wish Yzerman would publicly call him out for it. Because that would be Mike Milbury level incompetence.
 

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Walman wasn't our second best defender. That's not to say losing him for nothing, for less than nothing actually giving up a 2nd, isn't bad.

I've said it before but I find it hard to believe he moved Walman in anticipation of getting Trouba. GM's handle multi-team deals all the time. For Yzerman to prematurely move Walman means he's an idiot. And the only other options are that Drury either massively screwed up or massively screwed Yzerman over.

If that's the case I sure wish Yzerman would publicly call him out for it. Because that would be Mike Milbury level incompetence.

Here's a question for the group...

How much of Yzerman's actual trades are handled by his assistant GMs? When Verbeek was around we didn't seem to lose on trades, but now we have Draper. How active is Draper in trades and negotiations?

Second, if Yzerman and company was fooled by Drury then I think we should be blaming Detroit moreso. Trouba's wife being a doctor in New York is old news. That came out when Trouba signed with NYR and has been mentioned several times since then. Why did Detroit not know about this?

Jacob Trouba tears up talking about how wife Kelly helped him become Rangers captain

'Her career is as important as my career': How Jacob Trouba and Kelly Tyson balance their ambitions
"it's a great opportunity for myself and my fiancée" because "her career is as important as my career."

There are probably a dozen other articles where Trouba talks about his wife as a reason to move to New York.

If the Wings didn't do their due diligence before this trade it's egg on their face, unless Drury lied and said Trouba was willing to move.
 

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Not if one wanted the immediate capspace for whatever one was trying to do. The capspace was wanted then not in August or September.

There is indications that other teams would have interest, there is no indications they would pull off a trade at that time when FA was around the corner.
If one wanted immediate capspace to do something then the trade should happen at the same time the other move gets done

Course teams would have pulled a trade prior to free agency. I don't know the contracts given out but I'm sure at least one gm would have rather had walman for 2 yrs at 3 mill than give someone 4-5 yrs
 

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Here's a question for the group...

How much of Yzerman's actual trades are handled by his assistant GMs? When Verbeek was around we didn't seem to lose on trades, but now we have Draper. How active is Draper in trades and negotiations?

Second, if Yzerman and company was fooled by Drury then I think we should be blaming Detroit moreso. Trouba's wife being a doctor in New York is old news. That came out when Trouba signed with NYR and has been mentioned several times since then. Why did Detroit not know about this?

Jacob Trouba tears up talking about how wife Kelly helped him become Rangers captain

'Her career is as important as my career': How Jacob Trouba and Kelly Tyson balance their ambitions


There are probably a dozen other articles where Trouba talks about his wife as a reason to move to New York.

If the Wings didn't do their due diligence before this trade it's egg on their face, unless Drury lied and said Trouba was willing to move.

I doubt it was him being fooled. It would be really bad practice for a GM to mislead another like that. It's a small community.

The Walman trade having something to do with Trouba basically requires either Yzerman, Drury or both doing something unbelievably stupid. It's certainly possible but to me seems unlikely.

And again I've posed the question to anyone smarter than me about cap stuff because I don't know the answer, but would the Wings even have needed to be cap compliant in that moment to trade for Trouba? It seems like moving Walman wasn't a necessity at that moment.
 

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If I had to make a guess about what happened, I would put it to some issue with Walman's coming back from injury or professionalism issue.

Given the state of the blueline I also think there's a pretty good chance that if I knew all the information I would probably feel like Yzerman pulled the trigger too quickly rather than wait and try and get a better return.
 

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It's kinda depressing , we still talking about that trade. Please close it down
The discussion seems to be more about asset management than the player involved. Are some of us calling out Yzerman as a collective for the first time? Perhaps but that's fair we have been patient. If the guy had to go I get that. I do. However it's a head scratcher to me that we have 1 2nd instead of 3 right now.
 

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If I had to make a guess about what happened, I would put it to some issue with Walman's coming back from injury or professionalism issue.

Given the state of the blueline I also think there's a pretty good chance that if I knew all the information I would probably feel like Yzerman pulled the trigger too quickly rather than wait and try and get a better return.

You know what's funny about this situation? We got more information about the zamboni driver than a player that got traded. Every time I see this thread pop up, I wonder what the hell did Walman actually do to piss Stevie off?

But it doesn't matter, we have the best behaved team in the NHL. So what if they're really mediocre, mediocre people tend to be the nicest :)
 

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Walman wasn't our second best defender. That's not to say losing him for nothing, for less than nothing actually giving up a 2nd, isn't bad.

I've said it before but I find it hard to believe he moved Walman in anticipation of getting Trouba. GM's handle multi-team deals all the time. For Yzerman to prematurely move Walman means he's an idiot. And the only other options are that Drury either massively screwed up or massively screwed Yzerman over.

If that's the case I sure wish Yzerman would publicly call him out for it. Because that would be Mike Milbury level incompetence.
Walman was traded because the dressing room turned on him, it is pretty well out there. Trouba’s money is Tarasenko and something else.

The Covid year knocked his wife’s residency back was what I have read. So he smartly negotiated that in. I think Trouba would have been a big addition and people look too much at how he played on a broken ankle. Oh well, I don’t want to pay his next contract, just wanted him for two years.

If the Wings play well in November and this is the part of the schedule they have to, I think Stevie makes a move.

When Larkin tactfully called out Walman and Sprong in his presser to start the season it really made clear to me at least that they were never entering the season with him. Be upset at the price, but the player was gone if the room is crushing him in exit interviews.

Even in the piece in the Athletic on him I found it curious they used an old Seider quote as best I could tell and that was pretty much it. Watch how long the quotes are on Perron when they play Ottawa the first time.
 
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You know what's funny about this situation? We got more information about the zamboni driver than a player that got traded. Every time I see this thread pop up, I wonder what the hell did Walman actually do to piss Stevie off?

But it doesn't matter, we have the best behaved team in the NHL. So what if they're really mediocre, mediocre people tend to be the nicest :)
Yzerman has always protected the players that don’t work out. It is a code and frankly important to future UFAs and trades.

It isn’t our business what he did to fall apart. Where Al Sobotka was initially contesting it. They let Walman have a fresh start. They have never spoken on Vrana. They also kept Sprong’s issues in house. I prefer they do that, you can find rumors if you dig hard enough, they shouldn’t come from the top in these scenarios in my opinion. That is good management not bad.
 

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Yzerman has always protected the players that don’t work out. It is a code and frankly important to future UFAs and trades.

It isn’t our business what he did to fall apart. Where Al Sobotka was initially contesting it. They let Walman have a fresh start. They have never spoken on Vrana. They also kept Sprong’s issues in house. I prefer they do that, you can find rumors if you dig hard enough, they shouldn’t come from the top in these scenarios in my opinion. That is good management not bad.

What did Sprong do?
 

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And again I've posed the question to anyone smarter than me about cap stuff because I don't know the answer, but would the Wings even have needed to be cap compliant in that moment to trade for Trouba? It seems like moving Walman wasn't a necessity at that moment.
As I understand, teams can be over the cap by 10% during the off-season. Then you also have the room of guys who have not signed yet for the coming season, so there would not have been an issue. Not sure of the exact date they need be to compliant but that is the just of it.

I think there's a good possibility SFY didn't shop him and payed the 2nd to San Jose just to keep Walman out of the East. I can't believe someone would not have taken a flyer on him if he had hit waivers.
 

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