Confirmed with Link: Walman and a 2nd Round Pick traded to SJ

[Nnowski]

If that is your standard, then you can look at the 2nd round drafts since 2019 and see nobody hit. Jeeze man, you are making a name for yourself here. You might want to stop.

How do you expect Yzerman to "hit" when NO GM HAS HIT based on your standards!!1!!!1?????

There are currently 7 NHL regulars drafted outside of the 1st round playing in the NHL from the 2019 draft. The odds are not in your favour that's true, but Yzerman hasn't been any better than Holland for drafting

 

[Dotter]

That's a false premise though. Are you seeing someone argue that?

I'm looking at the draft and I don't see anyone worth being all tore up about not drafting. Yes, I would love Yzerman to draft the next Datsyuk in the 2nd round, but do Wings really need a bunch of Oskar Sundqvist -type players?

Hey, maybe Yzerman did draft the next Palat, he is just being overrippend. Who knows. We won't know what we have for a few more years.

 

[norrisnick]

Might want to recalibrate on what constitutes middle 6 and/or top 4. I'm not coming up with double-digits...

 

[wingsfannn919191]

I have no idea what you're trying to say. It reads like garbled word salad.

Yzerman got rid of cancer for a 2nd after Yzerman scored a free 2nd in a trade for a prospect that we had in abundance. ASP likely made Gibson expendable. Jesse Kiiskinen is damn good prospect in his own right.

we got a 2nd in a hockey deal. It wasn't a "free" asset no matter how many times you try to spin your jibba jabba

He definetly wasn't a player that needed to have a high pick attached to get rid of and it wasn't a free pick we moved . I'm done here cause this will just go on for weeks at this point

 

[Dotter]

There are currently 7 NHL regulars drafted outside of the 1st round playing in the NHL from the 2019 draft. The odds are not in your favour that's true, but Yzerman hasn't been any better than Holland for drafting

Who are these 7 impact players? I don't trust you are honest in your assessments. You are probably referring to tweeners that wouldn't even beat out Copp on our roster.

 

[Dotter]

we got a 2nd in a hockey deal. It wasn't a "free" asset no matter how many times you try to spin your jibba jabba

He definetly wasn't a player that needed to have a high pick attached to get rid of and it wasn't a free pick we moved . I'm done here cause this will just go on for weeks at this point

2nd out, 2nd in. Wings are whole in draft picks and arguably have the better young prospect in Jesse Kiiskinen. I'm not saying Gibson isn't great or a bust, but I think Jesse Kiiskinen is more likely to have the better chance at an NHL future.

Walman had no future in Detroit. He was a healthy scratch for a reason. Now he is on a tanking team maybe he can fix his issues, whatever it may be. The 2nd is insignificant because it was replaced. It certainly isn't worth the time writing about it on a message forum.... yet here we are.

 

[wingsfannn919191]

2nd out, 2nd in. Wings are whole in draft picks and arguably have the better young prospect in Jesse Kiiskinen. I'm not saying Gibson isn't great or a bust, but I think Jesse Kiiskinen is more likely to have the better chance at an NHL future.

Walman had no future in Detroit. He was a healthy scratch for a reason. Now he is on a tanking team maybe he can fix his issues, whatever it may be. The 2nd is insignificant because it was replaced. It certainly isn't worth the time writing about it on a message forum.... yet here we are.

Sure,whatever you say

 

[Dotter]

Sure,whatever you say

Finally, we agree on something.

 

[Geezer WC]

2nd out, 2nd in.

If you have 2 2nd's..It's just fine to throw one away? I don't agree.

 

[Nnowski]

Who are these 7 impact players? I don't trust you are honest in your assessments. You are probably referring to tweeners that wouldn't even beat out Copp on our roster.

Pinto, Hoglander, Vlasic, Protas, Maccelli, Voronkov, Dorofeyev. All capable NHL players who are top 9/4 qualify

 

[DamonDRW]

Pinto, Hoglander, Vlasic, Protas, Maccelli, Voronkov, Dorofeyev. All capable NHL players who are top 9/4 qualify

none of these guys would have made a difference for us. a collection of 3rd liners on a team with good top-6

 

[Oddbob]

Have you guys seen this guy, Second Round Pick. He is lighting up the OQWSKLHL this season. He has a record number of highlight reel plays for any underage and undersized premium high end power forward big hit defender hybrid goalie.

 

[ricky0034]

it's annoying how this is basically just a Rorschach test for how much you like Yzerman at this point

and we probably won't ever get any more actual info than we already have so that's all it'll ever be

 

[Dotter]

If you have 2 2nd's..It's just fine to throw one away? I don't agree.

To clear 7 million (3.4x2) for the next two years on a guy that's apparently cancer in the locker room? Sure.

I doubt Yzerman would've been prompted to trade Gibson to get that free 2nd if not for Walman. Who knows, Jesse Kiiskinen could end up being the real difference maker in 3 yrs. All because of Walman.

Pinto, Hoglander, Vlasic, Protas, Maccelli, Voronkov, Dorofeyev. All capable NHL players who are top 9/4 qualify

Ummm... pinto wasn't even available when Yzerman was drafting. But I digress, none of those guys would beat out players Yzerman landed on the UFA market.

You are brave for posting that list tho, I'll give you that. Lol.

 

[Pavels Dog]

But I digress, none of those guys would beat out players Yzerman landed on the UFA market.

Signing a 27 year old in FA to play a few years for your team in a depth role just doesn't hit the same as developing a 6th round pick for 9 years until they're finally ready to play that depth role, allowing you bragging rights about the team's ability to find NHLers outside the 1st round.

 

[Frk It]

There are currently 7 NHL regulars drafted outside of the 1st round playing in the NHL from the 2019 draft. The odds are not in your favour that's true, but Yzerman hasn't been any better than Holland for drafting

I liked how Holland drafted in rounds 2-7 better, especially under Nill.

Even when it didn't work out drafting guys like Jurco, Pulkkinen, Sproul, etc. makes a ton of sense to me.

Sometimes I just don't get what this current front office is going for.

 

[Dotter]

Signing a 27 year old in FA to play a few years for your team in a depth role just doesn't hit the same as developing a 6th round pick for 9 years until they're finally ready to play that depth role, allowing you bragging rights about the team's ability to find NHLers outside the 1st round.

Mazur will be in the NHL before you know it and you'll have your bragging rights. Meanwhile you can brag about AlJo.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

I have no idea what you're trying to say. It reads like garbled word salad.

Yzerman got rid of cancer for a 2nd after Yzerman scored a free 2nd in a trade for a prospect that we had in abundance. ASP likely made Gibson expendable. Jesse Kiiskinen is damn good prospect in his own right.

i'm convinced that dark forces (mbn and shanahanman) are creating sock accounts and using ai to write troll content

which is actually, kind of genius. it almost makes me want to do the same, except with the most nausea-inducing cheerleader posts imaginable, and dozens and dozens more accounts to drown out their nonsense

we got a 2nd in a hockey deal. It wasn't a "free" asset no matter how many times you try to spin your jibba jabba

He definetly wasn't a player that needed to have a high pick attached to get rid of and it wasn't a free pick we moved . I'm done here cause this will just go on for weeks at this point

somehow i doubt that

 

[lilidk]

It's kinda depressing , we still talking about that trade. Please close it down

 

[SirKillalot]

No it doesnt. We could have made the Gibson deal and got the 2nd + kiiskinen and kept walman

Not if one wanted the immediate capspace for whatever one was trying to do. The capspace was wanted then not in August or September.

There is indications that other teams would have interest, there is no indications they would pull off a trade at that time when FA was around the corner.