Confirmed with Link: Walman and a 2nd Round Pick traded to SJ

[Steve Yzerlland]

Except no ones taking petry and holl lol ... I have np moving walman to give edvinsson and johansson bigger roles. Ill never understand having the need go attach a 2nd to move him

If anything we should have got a 2nd sent back for walman

That's what I'm saying. At least get something back. Future considerations? Wtf does that even mean

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

He was moved mainly because Yzerman was trying to get Trouba. And he was the only dman with any value on the team outside of Ed/Mo. SJ probably wanted to wait and Yzerman wanted to get it done quickly so he added the 2nd. Then Trouba falls through and the team is left with this... He did not shop him around, and he had no interest in trying to "fix" his game in Detroit. He's an extremely stubborn GM, and that's how you end up with moves like this

Interesting story but you're stating things as fact. Do you have any evidence to support any of this?

 

[wingsfannn919191]

That's what I'm saying. At least get something back. Future considerations? Wtf does that even mean

Just means take this contract of our hands for free please lol . Ya was a bad trade

 

[Nnowski]

Interesting story but you're stating things as fact. Do you have any evidence to support any of this?

Well right when Yzerman traded Walman, there were rumblings that the Rangers were shopping Trouba. Then we get the reports that he's blocked the only teams who would trade for him on his NTC. Then July 1 happens and the Wings end the day with nearly exactly the cap space required to resign all their RFAs + 50% of Trouba. More reports about Trouba come out, more or less confirming he's not budging on his NTC. And hours later the Wings sign Tarasenko and all Trouba talk goes quiet. The plan (unnamed sources) if Trouba worked out was to buyout Holl and/or Petry and have-
Ed Seider
Chiarot Trouba
Maatta Gus
I have no idea why they didn't buyout Holl after it fell thru though.

 

[deca guard]

There wasn't a need looking back because deal fell through. I don't think anyone really thinks he cleared Walman's cap because he wanted Gustafsson or Tarasenko, they were backup plans. And unfortunately very bad ones lol

i dont even know what your talking about

 

[Winger98]

Well right when Yzerman traded Walman, there were rumblings that the Rangers were shopping Trouba. Then we get the reports that he's blocked the only teams who would trade for him on his NTC. Then July 1 happens and the Wings end the day with nearly exactly the cap space required to resign all their RFAs + 50% of Trouba. More reports about Trouba come out, more or less confirming he's not budging on his NTC. And hours later the Wings sign Tarasenko and all Trouba talk goes quiet. The plan (unnamed sources) if Trouba worked out was to buyout Holl and/or Petry and have-
Ed Seider
Chiarot Trouba
Maatta Gus
I have no idea why they didn't buyout Holl after it fell thru though.

why? keeping him doesn't really hurt anything, and we don't have dead cap for the next four years. We weren't going to throw 5+ years at another UFA, and the guys you can sign for a year or two aren't likely to be appreciably better than Holl.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Well right when Yzerman traded Walman, there were rumblings that the Rangers were shopping Trouba. Then we get the reports that he's blocked the only teams who would trade for him on his NTC. Then July 1 happens and the Wings end the day with nearly exactly the cap space required to resign all their RFAs + 50% of Trouba. More reports about Trouba come out, more or less confirming he's not budging on his NTC. And hours later the Wings sign Tarasenko and all Trouba talk goes quiet. The plan (unnamed sources) if Trouba worked out was to buyout Holl and/or Petry and have-
Ed Seider
Chiarot Trouba
Maatta Gus
I have no idea why they didn't buyout Holl after it fell thru though.

So no evidence and a lot of assumptions.

 

[Nnowski]

So no evidence and a lot of assumptions.

We know from Larry Brooks' report that Detroit was trying to acquire Trouba. It's pretty easy to piece to rest together. Unless you think he traded Walman and a 2nd just to dump 3.4m in cap to sign Tarasenko

 

[deca guard]

We know from Larry Brooks' report that Detroit was trying to acquire Trouba. It's pretty easy to piece to rest together. Unless you think he traded Walman and a 2nd just to dump 3.4m in cap to sign Tarasenko

the point is if he needed to move walmans hit he would have gotten somethinbg for him instead of paying to move him if your going by on ice talent alone . only way he had to pay was an off ice issue , or sjs agreed to give and asset back later . and secondly yzerman didnt not need to be cap compliant when he moved walman , there was no rush to move that hit

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

We know from Larry Brooks' report that Detroit was trying to acquire Trouba. It's pretty easy to piece to rest together. Unless you think he traded Walman and a 2nd just to dump 3.4m in cap to sign Tarasenko

That's not piecing it together. That's you inventing a narrative and making assumptions. Like stating as fact that Yzerman did not shop Walman around.

 

[Nnowski]

the point is if he needed to move walmans hit he would have gotten somethinbg for him instead of paying to move him if your going by on ice talent alone . only way he had to pay was an off ice issue , or sjs agreed to give and asset back later . and secondly yzerman didnt not need to be cap compliant when he moved walman , there was no rush to move that hit

Him not needing to be cap compliant is exactly why there was another move predicated on moving Walman/his cap.

That's not piecing it together. That's you inventing a narrative and making assumptions. Like stating as fact that Yzerman did not shop Walman around.

What I've learned, if anything, about the Jake Walman trade

Two days after the deal we are still trying to figure out exactly what happened.

www.shapshotshockey.com

Heres Sean Shapiro's piece on Walman. He has many connections throughout the league. I'm giving Yzerman the benefit of the doubt here, because according to Sean's sources SJ would have "claimed him off of waivers". The only options are - Walman was part 1 of a deal that fell thru, or Yzerman didn't shop Walman around and he added a 2nd onto a player that had value by himself.

 

[OldnotDeadWings]

The idea that SY did not put any effort in determining market value for Walman is simply ridiculous. It happened three days before the Draft, every GM is talking with each other. It was more than two months after the season ended and the team's verdict on Walman. SY is stubborn, but he's also a bit of a micro-manager. He's not going to make a trade or signing without knowing market value. Walman was an unwanted player with two years left at $3.4M. There doesn't have to be a specific purpose for the Cap space if removing him from the roster is the primary objective. On a decent team he is a 4-6 D with no significant special teams ability. The simplest explanation is that no one wanted Walman for free, A) because of the two-year Cap hit; B) because of points and a good shot inflating his modest true value as a player; and C) for generally known knowledge of baggage "issues". The cost to move him was not some random value, it was the same cost as Ottawa and St. Louis paid to get rid of unwanted players making close to the same AAV as Walman.