Confirmed with Link: Walman and a 2nd Round Pick traded to SJ

[Dotter]

Honestly, I admire Yzerman. He wants the right personalities on his team and he doesn't f*** around. Having that kind of mentality from the top down is pretty awesome. The message to the team is clear: buy in or GTFO.

That's exactly it. Building a winning culture starts with the right personality.

It's clear Yzerman was not a fan of Walman. Sounds like every other GM in the league always wasn;t a fan of his.

 

[ZDH]

Well that's that. The reporter who said teams would've claimed him on waivers is full of shit.

 

[Big Poppa Puck]

But he didn't even attempt to give teams a chance to claim him on waivers. And like I said before it's not like if he cleared Grier was gonna turn around and say "well he cleared waivers so I want a 1st now to take him"

And it obviously wasn't anything time sensitive since no other move has been made yet.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

Well that's that. The reporter who said teams would've claimed him on waivers is full of shit.

Or Yzerman is full of shit and just dumped Walman. There were worse players traded for way better value.

Not a fan of this move.

 

[Dotter]

CBJ just waived the former 8th overall pick, Adam Boqvist for a buyout. I remember when people here wanted to draft him. He was in the same draft as Bust Zadina.

I thought 23 year old Bodvist would have value. But like Walman, he doesn't.

 

[Shaman464]

The contract that had to move was Walman, not Gibson. The claim is that 1) there are pending moves that required additional cap space, 2) Walman was the roster player chosen to deal in order to provide said cap space, 3) an additional draft pick was needed to deal Walman, and 4) swapping Gibson for Kiiskinen (who they rank equally) provided an additional pick.

Now I'm not saying I agree with all of those claims - particularly number 3 - but that's the scenario.

Ultimately this all depends on what the pending moves are. If Detroit lands Stamkos and Roy, the kids look good, and they make the playoffs, nobody will care about Jake Walman or the second rounder or Gibson. But if they strike out in free agency, make no significant trades, and use the money to bring back Ghost, it's going to be a lot of egg on Yzerman's face.

Where will Detroit find 11-12 million in cap space to sign Roy and Stamkos? Detroit will have about 16 million in cap space after signing Ray and Mo. Rumors are that Yzerman wants to keep Ghost and Kane which could eat another 10 million in cap space. Even if you dump Holl and Fabbri you're only looking at around 10 million in cap space and a lot of roster spots left to fill.

Well that's that. The reporter who said teams would've claimed him on waivers is full of shit.

There is nothing about this statement that proves that reporter is full of shit.

 

[ZDH]

There is nothing about this statement that proves that reporter is full of shit.

It boils down to do you believe what an actual NHL gm is saying or a reporter?

One is lying.

 

[Shaman464]

It boils down to do you believe what an actual NHL gm is saying or a reporter?

One is lying.

The guy who is trying to save face usually has the motive to lie.

 

[ZDH]

The guy who is trying to save face usually has the motive to lie.

The guy who is paid for click bait stories usually has the motive to lie.

 

[Shaman464]

The guy who is paid for click bait stories usually has the motive to lie.

"I tried" also doesn't mean anything. I say that to my girlfriend when she asks me to take out the garbage during a game. "I tried, but moving my ass off the couch right now is hard. Honestly, I've tried".

 

[ZDH]

"I tried" also doesn't mean anything. I say that to my girlfriend when she asks me to take out the garbage during a game. "I tried, but moving my ass off the couch right now is hard. Honestly, I've tried".

Stevie isn't just randomly attaching a 2nd to Walman for shits and giggles. He was never getting claimed off waivers like that reporter said. Just click bait bs reporting.

 

[Shaman464]

Stevie isn't just randomly attaching a 2nd to Walman for shits and giggles. He was never getting claimed off waivers like that reporter said. Just click bait bs reporting.

Given the trades we're seeing I can't believe that the only way to move Walman is to attach a second to him. Even if you think he's a 3rd pairing guy, his cap hit is perfectly in line with that. This wasn't a boat anchor contract with a useless player.

 

[Our Lady Peace]

Dunno if it's been mentioned here but Yzerman responded after the draft regarding the Walman trade and he straight up said it is hard to move money in this league right now. Don't think he's quite dumb enough to throw in sweeteners for fun like the 2nd he did

Gibson is expendable anyway, and Yzerman managed the 2nd round pick out of that even if you consider Gibson for Kiiskinen a lateral move

Walman had played himself into a dog house and he's 28 now. We got a nice stretch of play from him, but it's definitely time to move on considering we need bigger and better things on D. Yzerman is clearly trying to work on that for this franchise, and the money factor very much actively plays into the it. We're yet to see what is to come there but I have hope

Best of luck to Wally

 

[ZDH]

Given the trades we're seeing I can't believe that the only way to move Walman is to attach a second to him. Even if you think he's a 3rd pairing guy, his cap hit is perfectly in line with that. This wasn't a boat anchor contract with a useless player.

It's not like Steve led with a 2nd to only SJ. He would've asked around the league and various teams would've turned down 4ths/3rds/2nds.

This is the best he could do. Nobody wanted Walman. Detroit didn't even want Walman with the playoffs in their grasp.

 

[Shaman464]

It's not like Steve led with a 2nd to only SJ. He would've asked around the league and various teams would've turned down 4ths/3rds/2nds.

This is the best he could do. Nobody wanted Walman. Detroit didn't even want Walman with the playoffs in their grasp.

They didn't want Walman with Petry, Holl, Chiarot, Copp and Fabbri who are all way more dead weight than Walman? Detroit wasn't nearly as close to the playoffs as the standings make it seem. Detroit is a one trick pony team where the wheels come off when Larkin gets hurt or checks out. And Larkin is getting hurt more often and is getting older.

 

[ZDH]

They didn't want Walman with Petry, Holl, Chiarot, Copp and Fabbri who are all way more dead weight than Walman?

We got a lot of dead weight can't get rid of them all. Could be a character issue with Walman doesn't matter - my whole point is that reporter is full of shit for saying that they knew for a fact Walman would've gotten claimed off waivers.

That's bullshit. Nobody is doing us that favor when they could get a decent pick for doing so.

 

[jkutswings]

Where will Detroit find 11-12 million in cap space to sign Roy and Stamkos? Detroit will have about 16 million in cap space after signing Ray and Mo. Rumors are that Yzerman wants to keep Ghost and Kane which could eat another 10 million in cap space. Even if you dump Holl and Fabbri you're only looking at around 10 million in cap space and a lot of roster spots left to fill.

My idea for chasing both Stamkos and Roy is predicated on Ghost getting the hell out of town. I want defensemen that actually play defense, even if that means scoring drops (last year Detroit was 9th in goals scored and 25th in goals allowed).

Kane is another matter and depends entirely on what kind of deal he's willing to take. If he comes in around $4.5Mx3 or $5Mx2 then I'd squeeze him in and then sort out who needs to move to make it work. But if he's insisting on north of $6M a year then I'd rather have Stamkos and let Kane walk.

 

[jaster]

Detroit wasn't nearly as close to the playoffs as the standings make it seem.

The standings show they were 1 point away. Were they actually more than 1? Do the standings…. lie?

 

[Dotter]

Even if Wings made the playoffs, Walman was never suiting up to play another game for DRWs. Something broke and all the GMs across the league saw it and probably knew something was up.

Walman only has value to fans. Unfortunately, their feels on the matter don't matter.

Walman probably would have more value after the UFA-frenzy or after the start of the regular season. Yzerman wanted to move him now to make room for Trouba (or whoever).

 

[Euro Twins]

Where will Detroit find 11-12 million in cap space to sign Roy and Stamkos? Detroit will have about 16 million in cap space after signing Ray and Mo. Rumors are that Yzerman wants to keep Ghost and Kane which could eat another 10 million in cap space. Even if you dump Holl and Fabbri you're only looking at around 10 million in cap space and a lot of roster spots left to fill.


There is nothing about this statement that proves that reporter is full of shit.

I believe it's much more likely to sign stammer to a 4 year deal than to give in to Kane's demands

 

[ShanahanMan]

Anyone else find it kinda funny almost all the guys Steve traded for, we turned around and got rid of a year or two later? I think Fabbri and Perry are the only ones we retained.

 

[Shaman464]

The standings show they were 1 point away. Were they actually more than 1? Do the standings…. lie?

Yes, standings can lie. Detroit lost control of their destiny when Larkin went down and spent the period between the end of February and the end of the season losing more games than they won by an almost 2-1 margin and were 8-15. That’s not a team with the playoffs in their grasp. It’s like saying a game that was 4-2 was close but the second goal was scored with 3 seconds left in the third. Things can look on paper closer than they are.

 

[SoupNazi]

They didn't want Walman with Petry, Holl, Chiarot, Copp and Fabbri who are all way more dead weight than Walman? Detroit wasn't nearly as close to the playoffs as the standings make it seem. Detroit is a one trick pony team where the wheels come off when Larkin gets hurt or checks out. And Larkin is getting hurt more often and is getting older.

You know the standings determine who makes the playoffs, right?

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

It's not like Steve led with a 2nd to only SJ. He would've asked around the league and various teams would've turned down 4ths/3rds/2nds.

Allegedly, this is exactly what happened. Other teams let it be known that they wanted in on that deal.

Of course, I think many of us now believe that 2nd was actually a down payment on Trouba, and not anything to do with Walman. Whether that materializes, we'll see.

 

[Dotter]

Anyone else find it kinda funny almost all the guys Steve traded for, we turned around and got rid of a year or two later? I think Fabbri and Perry are the only ones we retained.

Considering good players have NMC and Wings could barely muster up 50 points in a season like 3 years ago, then yeah... it makes perfect sense he had to go bargain bin hunting. He also turned some of those into draft picks/real assets; incrementally building a team through the course of 5 years.

He finally has this team on the upswing and he is starting to attract better players; Debrincat / Kane. That will increase as the team gets better and more competitive. Until then, what good player wants to go to DRWs unless they are getting severely overpaid?

Perhaps now Stamkos might be looking this way. Maybe Roy. Maybe Trouba?

So to answer your question, not it's not funny. It's logical.