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Yeah, I see more Clayton Keller in Benson than Brendan Gallagher.
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It’s exclusively in the minds of HFBoards idiots. Let your hopes go.
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The comparison I use, stylistically, is Crosby. They play a really similar game, and their game is centered around their IQ, some of the best hands and problem solving but somehow never flashy, same size as draft eligibles, too.
Of course Benson isnt gonna be Crosby, but even 80% or Sid is an elite player.
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hope could die when Bob’s list comes out, for sure. But hopefully NHL teams want size and D after the top 4, and overdraft Leonard, Danielson, etc. I can dream at least lmao
Apparently, Canucks are very interested in Benson. They took him out for dinner to meet with management during the combine week.
Yep....
I think Benson Willander and Danielson are their top choice for #11 and I think Barlow is someone they might target if they do a trade down scenario to the 15th-20th spot.
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If Bedard is set to be a generational talent then Benson is very close to be a generational talent himself.
I took each player's top 20 games with their highest shots on goal respectively and wanted to see what kind of an impact that had on their team's success.
I did not count their PP goals and assists as i deem 5vs5 and 4vs5 a much better measure for a player's actual impact on the team.
Conclusion, aside from the PP points and the increased number of shots i do not see the generational gap between Bedard and Benson.
Is Benson a generational talent? I mean he's making a good team better. Bedard on the other hand had no impact on his team's performances.
I took each player's top 20 games with their highest shots on goal respectively and wanted to see what kind of an impact that had on their team's success.
I did not count their PP goals and assists as i deem 5vs5 and 4vs5 a much better measure for a player's actual impact on the team.
| Benson | Bedard | |
| Shots on Goal | 105 | 188 |
| Game winning goals | 5 | 6 |
| Insurance Goals | 2 | 4 |
| Short Handed Goals | 3 | 3 |
| Game Winning Assist | 1 | 3 |
| Insurance Assist | 3 | 2 |
| Short Handed Assist | 1 | 0 |
| EN Goal | 0 | 3 |
| EN Assist | 3 | 0 |
| Short Percentage | 17.10% | 18.10% |
| Short Percentage -EN Goals | 17.10% | 16.50% |
| Games Won | 18 Wins | 10 Wins |
| Win Ratio | 90% | 50% |
| Team's Reg Season Ratio | 84% | 50% |
Conclusion, aside from the PP points and the increased number of shots i do not see the generational gap between Bedard and Benson.
Is Benson a generational talent? I mean he's making a good team better. Bedard on the other hand had no impact on his team's performances.
Benson is nowhere near a generational talent. Best case scenario he becomes a superstar. Quite possible he becomes a star player.
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Whats your argument for considering Bedard as a generational talent then?
The whole premise of the argument is: if Bedard is considered to be a generational talent.
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Why would you choose “each player's top 20 games with their highest shots on goal respectively” as the sample for evaluation? I’m not challenging you, I’m curious what the thought process is.
I’d definitely take Bedard and Fantilli over Benson. Probably Carlsson. But that’s it. I’d have Benson 4th.
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I felt like shots on goal is a good indicator of how active a player is in a game. It takes time to compile all the data and watch the highlights so i felt 20 is a good sample size.
I wanted to first get a glimpse of how efficient they were and how they were getting their production before diving deeper.
It blows my mind that some people have Benson in the late top-10, and even falling out of that into the teens.
If that happens then some team is going to come away from the 2023 draft with an absolute steal.
If that happens then some team is going to come away from the 2023 draft with an absolute steal.
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Sabres just won the draft. Benson is the smartest player in this class, true 100+ point potential, and is now going to play with a linemate he has incredible chemistry with.
Between Benson-Savoie, Thompson-Tuch, and Peterka-Cozens-Quinn, who the f*** is going to be Buffalo’s first line???
Between Benson-Savoie, Thompson-Tuch, and Peterka-Cozens-Quinn, who the f*** is going to be Buffalo’s first line???
How do the ratios look if you take their top 50 games? The thing about Bedard is he can play Bensons “best game” for an entire season.
Don’t get me wrong - I love Benson. But that’s like saying take some guy who had 5 100% test scores and a bunch of Cs, and then take another guy who was valedictorian - now compare their top 5 test performances and say they are close.
Idk why that’s the analogy I went with im on a 6 hour flight with 2 toddlers and my brain is fried.
Damn. Wanted him to fall to the Pens. Buffalo got a steal.
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I’m not arguing - I wanted Flyers to trade up for Benson somehow. It wasn’t likely but I had delusional hopes.
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I think when you're the best player on the best team it speaks volumes on how good you are.
He had the highest +/- of his team and second overall, hes a clutch player, plays good D, has a good shot but he was simply not using it as much, his shot% is equal to Bedard's
The only knock on him is that he's smaller, 15 lb lighter than Bedard
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