Prospect Info: Vsevolod Komarov, RD Drummondville (QMJHL) - 134th overall in 2022 (Signed)

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Interesting reading through this thread. Looks like we may have a legit RHD coming along. Fabulous!
It sucks though that he can't play in the A next year. I hate that crap. It doesn't help us and it doesn't help the players development. Garbage rule.
 

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Interesting reading through this thread. Looks like we may have a legit RHD coming along. Fabulous!
It sucks though that he can't play in the A next year. I hate that crap. It doesn't help us and it doesn't help the players development. Garbage rule.

The rule exists because it benefits both the NHL and the CHL. Otherwise the NHL wouldn't agree to it.

The NHL main prospect pool is from the CHL. If you strip the three leagues from its 18-19 yo talent, it weakens them a lot and the 16-17 yo don't get to develop with and against top end players.

Komarov has a nice potential but he still has things to improve, even at the CHL level.
 

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Could he be ready for the next sabres game? Its not like he could be worse than Clague or Bryson(I kid I kid)
 

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The rule exists because it benefits both the NHL and the CHL. Otherwise the NHL wouldn't agree to it.

The NHL main prospect pool is from the CHL. If you strip the three leagues from its 18-19 yo talent, it weakens them a lot and the 16-17 yo don't get to develop with and against top end players.

Komarov has a nice potential but he still has things to improve, even at the CHL level.

Thank you for your insight. There are too many players that get caught in this trap though. The fact that this player can't play in the AHL by 12 days on his birthdate is stupid. This policy hurts everyone. The player, the team and the league. The NHL needs to figure this out.
 

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Thank you for your insight. There are too many players that get caught in this trap though. The fact that this player can't play in the AHL by 12 days on his birthdate is stupid. This policy hurts everyone. The player, the team and the league. The NHL needs to figure this out.

No, it doesn't hurt everyone and it rarely hurts anyone. The NHL gets a majority of their players from the three leagues of the CHL. To make those leagues viable both developmentally and financially, they are protected from teams doing exactly what you are advocating here - raiding them for players. And it's not like this player is a dominant CHL performer. He's having a nice season but there is certainly more to add to his game particularly offensively that is better served by doing so against his peers than in a professional league against grown men. Similarly, since the CHL teams are gate driven, them having an assurance that the players they have spent time developing and in all instances having paid transfer fees down into other development leagues to have on their teams will actually be playing for them so they are as good as they can be to put fannies in seats.

The CHL is needed by the NHL as a valued development league and the CHL gets financial protection in their investment into these players through these rules. Without it, teams would fold more often than they already do and that reduces the number of opportunities for the feeder system into the NHL and also impacts AAA and Midget teams. It causes ripples that will be felt at other levels and would be a detriment down stream even further.
 

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No, it doesn't hurt everyone and it rarely hurts anyone. The NHL gets a majority of their players from the three leagues of the CHL. To make those leagues viable both developmentally and financially, they are protected from teams doing exactly what you are advocating here - raiding them for players. And it's not like this player is a dominant CHL performer. He's having a nice season but there is certainly more to add to his game particularly offensively that is better served by doing so against his peers than in a professional league against grown men. Similarly, since the CHL teams are gate driven, them having an assurance that the players they have spent time developing and in all instances having paid transfer fees down into other development leagues to have on their teams will actually be playing for them so they are as good as they can be to put fannies in seats.

The CHL is needed by the NHL as a valued development league and the CHL gets financial protection in their investment into these players through these rules. Without it, teams would fold more often than they already do and that reduces the number of opportunities for the feeder system into the NHL and also impacts AAA and Midget teams. It causes ripples that will be felt at other levels and would be a detriment down stream even further.

Fair enough. But there often players who don't benefit by having to stay in juniors. That is certainly not fair to someone in that position. And you have to draw the line somehow but 12 days seems absurd to make a guy stay down there.
 

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Fair enough. But there often players who don't benefit by having to stay in juniors. That is certainly not fair to someone in that position. And you have to draw the line somehow but 12 days seems absurd to make a guy stay down there.

We’ve had this conversation before and I’m pretty sure that you’re just gonna keep coming back to how it’s not fair. It’s the rule. I don’t know if anybody out there who we can look at and say “yeah, he stayed in Junior for too long“. Komarov isn’t exactly the best defenseman in his league so I don’t get this idea if it’s somehow he’s too good for the Q.
 
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No, it doesn't hurt everyone and it rarely hurts anyone. The NHL gets a majority of their players from the three leagues of the CHL. To make those leagues viable both developmentally and financially, they are protected from teams doing exactly what you are advocating here - raiding them for players. And it's not like this player is a dominant CHL performer. He's having a nice season but there is certainly more to add to his game particularly offensively that is better served by doing so against his peers than in a professional league against grown men. Similarly, since the CHL teams are gate driven, them having an assurance that the players they have spent time developing and in all instances having paid transfer fees down into other development leagues to have on their teams will actually be playing for them so they are as good as they can be to put fannies in seats.

The CHL is needed by the NHL as a valued development league and the CHL gets financial protection in their investment into these players through these rules. Without it, teams would fold more often than they already do and that reduces the number of opportunities for the feeder system into the NHL and also impacts AAA and Midget teams. It causes ripples that will be felt at other levels and would be a detriment down stream even further.
Isn't Komarov considered an import though? Does he have to follow the same rules in that regard?

I don't know if he'd be ready for the AHL or not, but the Q has always struck me as the weakest of the junior development leagues.
 

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Isn't Komarov considered an import though? Does he have to follow the same rules in that regard?

I don't know if he'd be ready for the AHL or not, but the Q has always struck me as the weakest of the junior development leagues.

Since he was selected out of the CHL and not a European league, he is bound by the CHL/NHL agreement. As for strength of league, how does that change that he isn’t too big for the league he is in?
 

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Since he was selected out of the CHL and not a European league, he is bound by the CHL/NHL agreement. As for strength of league, how does that change that he isn’t too big for the league he is in?
Point about the Q was that with it being a weaker league (in terms of producing NHL players) he's probably not ready for the AHL yet anyway. I should have clarified that in my original post. Players from the Q in recent years have struck me as needing more time to find success once they transition to the professional leagues.
 

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Point about the Q was that with it being a weaker league (in terms of producing NHL players) he's probably not ready for the AHL yet anyway. I should have clarified that in my original post. Players from the Q in recent years have struck me as needing more time to find success once they transition to the professional leagues.

Solid point. There should be no issue with letting Komarov continue to percolate in the Q via a long playoff run and then perhaps a standout season next year. And I get that people are impatient and want to force an outcome which tends to be how I read the comments whenever someone says a player is "too good for the league they are in" or something to that effect.
 

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The Q being so much weaker than its counterparts is a stereotype that is hard to kill. Q teams have won the last three national championships.

A few weeks ago, the Q 4th ranked Gatineau Olympiques played back to back games against the OHL 1st overall Ottawa 67’s. Gatineau looked like the superior team and won 5-2 and 4-1.
 
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The Q being so much weaker than its counterparts is a stereotype that is hard to kill. Q teams have won the last three national championships.

A few weeks ago, the Q 4th ranked Gatineau Olympiques played back to back games against the OHL 1st overall Ottawa 67’s. Gatineau looked like the superior team and won 5-2 and 4-1.

Having watched both games, they were not close. Gatineau now that Kidney has come aboard and Nadeau is healthy are very much a wagon.
 
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The Q being so much weaker than its counterparts is a stereotype that is hard to kill. Q teams have won the last three national championships.

A few weeks ago, the Q 4th ranked Gatineau Olympiques played back to back games against the OHL 1st overall Ottawa 67’s. Gatineau looked like the superior team and won 5-2 and 4-1.
Are you telling me it’s no longer 1995?
 

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Scored on the PP, his 10th goal of the season



They have been using him in front of the net on the PP recently. On that goal he didn't get a point but the screen was so perfect the goalie never saw it coming.

 
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Trying to find his goals from tonight on Twitter - he has a pair against Shawinigan bringing him to 12 on the year.
 

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Komarov won’t play the last game of the season today since Quebec clinched 1st overall yesterday. To me, that’s a proof of how valuable he is to the team. They could sit two defensemen to make sure they’re not risking injuries for the playoffs and they decided it would be him and 20 yo veteran Nico Savoie. His teammates drafted higher than him, Evan Nause (FLA 2nd round 2021) and Jeremy Langlois (PHX 3rd round 2022), are playing.
 

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