Traded Vladimir Tarasenko (1 year, 5 million)

[Eye of Ra]

Joseph and Kastelic are fine 4th liners, although Joseph is likely out.

kastelic is a goon with no skills

 

[Stylizer1]

What about Karlsson?

 

[KingAlfie11]

With the addition of Norris, Tarasenko and Kubalik those 3 players that's a least 82 more goals, if everyone can stay relatively healthy we should be able to compete for top 3 in our division. If NJD can go from bottom to top I don't see why we can't do it either. let's goooo

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

Do you remember when we traded away 2010 1st Rd (16th overall) pick for David Rundblad?

We could have just kept that pick..

Well done

 

[Karl Prime]

Do you remember when we traded away 2010 1st Rd (16th overall) pick for David Rundblad?

We could have just kept that pick..

They probably don't draft Tarasenko.

 

[Xspyrit]

Maybe they just waive Joseph and send him down, even though he’s good defensive player. Is Andlauer ok paying someone that much to plain Belleville?

Also, we’re losing some quality Pk guys.

I'd claim him if I was the Ducks. But at the same time, they have an internal budget. But they do need to improve defensively and even more on the PK

if we have to attach a 1st or Greig/Kleven to move Joseph, or we move Brann, then I will not be happy.

They wont have to attach Greig or Kleven or a 1st to move Joseph.

If they can use Brannstrom + a pick to move Joseph.. they can move Kleven up and have enough to add someone else\

wow guys 1 minute! Greig is a Top-50 NHL prospect. Kleven is not far behind

And Brannstrom + pick? That is pretty valuable as well. Brannstrom has averaged 24 pts per 82 games since 2020-21 and had top-30 D-men metrics last season. He's 23 y/o with already 190 NHL games.

Joseph 2.95 AAV is not ideal but he can't be that much overpaid... lol

He had 30 pts in 69 games in 2021-22 (same as Laughton) and despite a down year last season, he had a 24 pts pace. But that's not where he is the most valuable, it's defensively and on the PK. I think he's easily worth 2.0 AAV

If Dorion gives up Greig, Kleven or Brannstrom to get rid of Joseph contract... ... ...

Imagine giving up Nick Paul and Greig/Kleven/Brannstrom for a 4th!

 

[KingAlfie11]

NHL to 'closely scrutinize' trades to keep players on LTIR

The NHL sent a memo to teams saying they will "closely scrutinize" such trades.

theathletic.com

Source: NHL watches trades for cap manipulation

The NHL sent a memo to teams saying it would closely scrutinize trades of injured players for cap manipulation.

www.espn.com

Gotta sell tickets... Lost DeBrincat already so Dorion probably wanted to bring a big name to make it look like we improved

But if we go DeBrincat + Batherson to Kubalik + Tarasenko, we're in deep shit

If we Batherson plays we are deep at forward but lacking a bit in good 2-way players. We need Pinto to take the next step defensively to carry his line. Greig will be excellent almost right away IMO. Thinking of going with a Greig-Pinto-Giroux shutdown 2-way shutdown line (Giroux would get his PP points too)

The thing is we need DJ to coach this thing very wisely. A lot of pressure on him I think



Please tell me he never really said that

Personally I think DeBrincat is overrated, defensively is a huge liability and he had his 40 goals seasons playing along side Kane, last year 27 goals was a big disappointment. It will be interesting to see if he's able to scored 40 goals again without Patrick Kane?? This team is better then last year's team

 

[Karl Eriksson]

Joseph was good last year. I’m surprised by the number of people saying he should go to make space. I’d rather start with someone on LTIR or make a depth move. Joseph overskates a lot and is a bit erratic, but he drives the play and has a wicked shot.

 

[Xspyrit]

Personally I think DeBrincat is overrated, defensively is a huge liability and he had his 40 goals seasons playing along side Kane, last year 27 goals was a big disappointment. It will be interesting to see if he's able to scored 40 goals again without Patrick Kane?? This team is better then last year's team

Did you sing the same tune before? Because I did and basically nobody agreed with me.

 

[DueDiligence]

How does 5 million work though? I don't like that.

It will work with a move or two. Have you checked out the cap situations of other teams that have serious issues?

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Minimum NHL Salary & Buried Cap Hit | Puckpedia

The minimum NHL Salary is set in the CBA (11.12.a) and is as follows: 2012-13 – U.S. $525,0002013-14 – U.S. $550,0002014-15 – U.S. $550,0002015-16 – U.S. $575,0002016-17 – U.S. $575,0002017-18 – U.S. $650,0002018-19 – U.S. $650,000 2019-20 – U.S. $700,0002020-21 – U.S. $700,0002021-22 – U.S...

puckpedia.com

So we get 1.8 mil in cap relief if we waive Joseph and send him down. That gives us 1.83 mil to sign Pinto and start at 12 forwards only.

Maybe we can do what San Jose did with Lebanc and sign Pinto for 1 mil/1 year, followed by an overpayment next year?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Minimum NHL Salary & Buried Cap Hit | Puckpedia

The minimum NHL Salary is set in the CBA (11.12.a) and is as follows: 2012-13 – U.S. $525,0002013-14 – U.S. $550,0002014-15 – U.S. $550,0002015-16 – U.S. $575,0002016-17 – U.S. $575,0002017-18 – U.S. $650,0002018-19 – U.S. $650,000 2019-20 – U.S. $700,0002020-21 – U.S. $700,0002021-22 – U.S...

puckpedia.com

So we get 1.8 mil in cap relief if we waive Joseph and send him down. That gives us 1.83 mil to sign Pinto and start at 12 forwards only.

Maybe we can do what San Jose did with Lebanc and sign Pinto for 1 mil/1 year, followed by an overpayment next year?

teams can bury up to $1.15 million in the AHL -- cap relief
they are on the hook for the 1.8

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Controversy

 

[Gil Gunderson]

teams can bury up to $1.15 million in the AHL -- cap relief
they are on the hook for the 1.8

Right, I read it wrong.

Welp, good luck Pierre.

 

[PlayersLtd]

It’s an NHL ruling, it only matters what the NHL is deeming inappropriate behaviors' detrimental to the league.

I hate wading into this but not quite. What is deemed inappropriate still needs to hold up in court. The NHL needs to be calculated because of the law suits the union could file afterwards. This isn't a drunk in public case with relatively little on the line. The conclusions from the investigation need to support the suspension to a reasonable extent because the players/union may fire back.

If Bath is the pizza guy and that story as we understand it is corroborated I would doubt he's suspended.

 

[DueDiligence]

One year, good.

$5 mil and NMC, bad.

Not judging until the other shoe is dropped. Who and what are we moving to fit him under the cap? And if we have to attach a 1st or Greig/Kleven to move Joseph, or we move Brann, then I will not be happy.

Based on last year Joseph is overpaid by $1 million or so. He is still a useful player. A sweetener for him would be a second rounder at best.

 

[HSF]

Personally I think DeBrincat is overrated, defensively is a huge liability and he had his 40 goals seasons playing along side Kane, last year 27 goals was a big disappointment. It will be interesting to see if he's able to scored 40 goals again without Patrick Kane?? This team is better then last year's team

whats your take on Tarasenko?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I'd claim him if I was the Ducks. But at the same time, they have an internal budget. But they do need to improve defensively and even more on the PK





wow guys 1 minute! Greig is a Top-50 NHL prospect. Kleven is not far behind

And Brannstrom + pick? That is pretty valuable as well. Brannstrom has averaged 24 pts per 82 games since 2020-21 and had top-30 D-men metrics last season. He's 23 y/o with already 190 NHL games.

Joseph 2.95 AAV is not ideal but he can't be that much overpaid... lol

He had 30 pts in 69 games in 2021-22 (same as Laughton) and despite a down year last season, he had a 24 pts pace. But that's not where he is the most valuable, it's defensively and on the PK. I think he's easily worth 2.0 AAV

If Dorion gives up Greig, Kleven or Brannstrom to get rid of Joseph contract... ... ...

Imagine giving up Nick Paul and Greig/Kleven/Brannstrom for a 4th!

Some teams may think Brannstrom is worth no more than a 3rd round pick. Maybe a 2nd not a 1st.
The price to move Joseph will be the value of a 2nd is my guess

And the 2.95 is for 3 years .. if he doesn't perform to that ? Not going to be free

 

[DueDiligence]

Right, I read it wrong.
,
Welp, good luck Pierre.

Sens have a $895, 000 in cap space right now so burying Joseph in the AHL would give them $2 million to sign Pinto for next season. That works.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Sens have a $895, 000 in cap space right now so burying Joseph in the AHL would give them $2 million to sign Pinto for next season. That works.

weird they were showing 53k or something like that 1/2 an hour ago. I wonder what the difference is.

 

[DueDiligence]

whats your take on Tarasenko?

Tarasenko will probably do what Debrincat did last year. 25 goals and suck defensively. But if he plays with BT and Timmy they will cover up alot of those defensive shortcomings.

 

[Gil Gunderson]

Sens have a $895, 000 in cap space right now so burying Joseph in the AHL would give them $2 million to sign Pinto for next season. That works.

Puts us at 12 forwards. We’d need him to sign at 1.1 mil at a one year bridge if we want a 22-man roster.

weird they were showing 53k or something like that 1/2 an hour ago. I wonder what the difference is.

I think that was including Greig. The 800k is only after he’s sent down and we have 11 forwards signed.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Puts us at 12 forwards. We’d need him to sign at 1.1 mil at a one year bridge if we want a 22-man roster.


I think that was including Greig. The 800k is only after he’s sent down and we have 11 forwards signed.

That would do it,

In this image they have a roster size of 19/23. Cap friendly now shows a roster size of 18/23

Greig at 863 + the 32 puts it at 895. Well that is better .. I don't think they'll lowball Pinto that low coming off 1.325 AAV .. the QO can be as low as 874

 

[Karl Prime]

Man, Simpson really hates this signing.

Although apparently he didn't like the Giroux signing either.

 

[PlayersLtd]

On no planet would Greig or Kleven need to be included to move Joseph, come on... You just retain $750k-$1M if you have to. Joseph at $2M would be picked up by a rebuilding team.

Personally I think a viable solution is to LTIR Forsberg and put Brannstrom in a showcase position through October and trade him for picks/prospect early in the season after a contending team gets an injury on their blue line. I like Brannstrom but he is going to become our most expendable asset with + - 2nd rd pick value (and we will regret it but what can you do...)