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Prospect Info: Vitali Kravtsov: Part IX

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haveandare said:
I disagree. 5 minutes a game with 4th liners is just going to hurt his confidence before he gets a chance to play his actual role
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He wouldn’t be getting 5 minutes if he’s on one of the PWP units. Like I said he’ll be 22 in December so it’s not like a 18 year old that needs minutes elsewhere.
 
dshea19 said:
Gaut really seems to have gotten the message and is driving the net better than anyone else on the team. Too often he is driving with no help and therefore the chaos he creates is not capitalized on, but he is creating havoc in a great way. He is doing Kreider better than Kreider at the moment.
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It's funny that you mention Kreider. I was literally thinking exactly what you typed as I had typed my response. Kreider is basically Gauthier's ceiling in my opinion. The streakiness and everything. But he definitely reminds me of him - a physically gifted beast who could use a little more of a scorer's sense/touch. Once again, the type of player that leaves you wanting a little more but you are happy to have on your team.
 
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E-Train said:
He wouldn’t be getting 5 minutes if he’s on one of the PWP units. Like I said he’ll be 22 in December so it’s not like a 18 year old that needs minutes elsewhere.
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I doubt he’s going to go from not playing in this league to the first PP. Not sure who he’d replace. Panarin is an animal and Strome is leading the team in points. PP2 typically gets almost no time
 
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E-Train said:
He wouldn’t be getting 5 minutes if he’s on one of the PWP units. Like I said he’ll be 22 in December so it’s not like a 18 year old that needs minutes elsewhere.
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What would you have our PWP units look like? I am not disagreeing btw, just genuinely curious who people think belongs on PP1 and PP2. Since I asked, and in no particular order, here are the ten players I think should be on our PP.

Definately(9):
Panarin
Zbad
Fox
Kreider
Buch
Laf
Kappo
Kravtsov (when he is here)
Another D - Trouba OR Miller (I don't like 5 forward PP units)

Maybe:
Gauthier
Chytil
 
E-Train said:
PDG can’t be gone soon enough. VK needs to play instead of Quinn’s scramble for the playoffs that won’t be happening.

I want VK, Barron (when feasible) and Tarmo getting NHL minutes. Enough with the waiver wire fill ins.
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Why PDG has to be gone instead of being in the rotation on the 4th line? As far as Kravtsov's concerned it's Gauthier (who'd go into 4th line rotation) who's more directly "blocking" him as 3RW.
 
haveandare said:
I doubt he’s going to go from not playing in this league to the first PP. Not sure who he’d replace. Panarin is an animal and Strome is leading the team in points. PP2 typically gets almost no time
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First PP is sometimes staying out past the point of having fresh legs.
 
kovazub94 said:
Why PDG has to be gone instead of being in the rotation on the 4th line? As far as Kravtsov's concerned it's Gauthier (who'd go into 4th line rotation) who's more directly "blocking" him as 3RW.
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I don’t mind VK starting on the 4th line. If it’s Goat “blocking” him, Quinn has no problem moving him down or even out.
As far as PDG is concerned, if this isn’t a playoff team, I want prospects over journeymen getting looks for the duration.
 
E-Train said:
I don’t mind VK starting on the 4th line. If it’s Goat “blocking” him, Quinn has no problem moving him down or even out.
As far as PDG is concerned, if this isn’t a playoff team, I want prospects over journeymen getting looks for the duration.
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Outside of VK, the only forward prospects that fits this description is Barron and we don't know if he's in line for promotion this season, playoff run or not. IMO PDG is not blocking anyone.
 
E-Train said:
I don’t mind VK starting on the 4th line. If it’s Goat “blocking” him, Quinn has no problem moving him down or even out.
As far as PDG is concerned, if this isn’t a playoff team, I want prospects over journeymen getting looks for the duration.
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If Kravtsov plays he slides into 3RD RW.

Gauthier rotates on the 4th. Gauthier is pretty much a goner once the Kraken get a shot to take him.

Laf Chytil Krav will be where he gets his first looks this year.
 
bobbop said:
I'm not sure how you figure this. Stefan Cherneski shattered his kneecap in Hartford and could never recover from the injury. He would have had a long successful career with the Rangers
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I think he meant Malhotra, and there's some truth to that. Iirc he'd have him do skating and conditioning drills endlessly instead of like skill work. Didn't want him on the roster and was a baby about it.
 
bobbop said:
I'm not sure how you figure this. Stefan Cherneski shattered his kneecap in Hartford and could never recover from the injury. He would have had a long successful career with the Rangers
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I think he means that Cherneski should have made the team out of camp. But Muckler wanted to keep Brent fedyk or someone like that I can’t remember anymore. Cherneski never should have been in Hartford to start the year.
 
kovazub94 said:
Outside of VK, the only forward prospects that fits this description is Barron and we don't know if he's in line for promotion this season, playoff run or not. IMO PDG is not blocking anyone.
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It sure sounds like Barron will be up at some point. He’s putting up numbers? I want to see him with the big club. PDG does nothing for now or the future.
 
CTRanger said:
I think he means that Cherneski should have made the team out of camp. But Muckler wanted to keep Brent fedyk or someone like that I can’t remember anymore. Cherneski never should have been in Hartford to start the year.
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It was Brent Fedyk. The rest is history.
 
haveandare said:
Do you want VK on the fourth line? Those fill ins are taking 4th line time with 4th line players. That’s not a place for VK
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I think we, in general, knock the fourth line intro a bit too harshly. Playing a guy 8-10 mins on the fourth line is - to me, at least - a totally reasonable and smart way to break a guy into the lineup. It’s not ideal, long term, for development, I suppose. Fourth liners are often used as spare parts on other lines and on special teams too.
I’d be happy with VK getting 2-3 shifts per period focusing on defense and then some time on the second power play unit.
 
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effen said:
I think he meant Malhotra, and there's some truth to that. Iirc he'd have him do skating and conditioning drills endlessly instead of like skill work. Didn't want him on the roster and was a baby about it.
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Didn't help when down the stretch run he had Graves manning the point on the PP... I mean that one was pure stupidity or temper tantrum but either way it should've never happened.
 
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