romba
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A bigger (not more physical though), more defensively intelligent version of Buch who can turn defense to offense in a flash? I'll take that every day of the week.
Prospect Info: Vitali Kravtsov: Part IX
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And that was one of the reasons I had Hughes ahead of Kakko in 2019. Both are excellent prospects, but I felt Hughes' potential impact could resonate deeper throughout a lineup.
A year later, Lafreniere was in the same mold --- with even greater potential than Hughes.
Those types of talents, if they develop, influence the structure of the team they play for and change other teams' approaches.
Edge
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And keeping in mind that Buch's name has surfaced in conversations for first round picks, or former first round picks.
At some point, from a value perspective, draft position becomes somewhat like what school you attended. It might help with your first few jobs, and get you a few more looks or second chances when you're younger. But the further into your career you go, it becomes a side note. Employers (teams) want to know what you've done since and what you can bring to their team to improve their bottom line.
Rangers in 7
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watching hughes vs kakko definitely brings me to a similar conclusion
hughes has the potential to elevate others around him more just due to the type of player he is
not saying kakko wont be an excellent player but hes more ovechkin then crosby (not saying talent wise, more about the type of player he is)
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Edge
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The feedback I've recieved, thus far, is that they are happy with the progress.
It's also quite possible the Rangers already feel his trajectory in more in that 50-60 point range and so what they're seeing isn't necessarily dashing their hopes at this point in the timeline.
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Completely wrong way of looking at it. In an extreme analogy if a 1st round goalie is compared to Lundqvist - would you be disappointed because of "where Lundqvist was drafted"?
If anything look at where would be Buchnevich spot in a re-draft - this should be a much closer (though still flawed because of specific draft year factors) comparison.
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Hi folks,
I just wanted to say thank you for the respectful discussion that’s been happening in this Thread. So nice to read through multiple conversations with different opinions with no one hurtling insults at another Member who disagrees with them.
If I were to be asked for an example of how to conduct a discussion on HF, this would be my first choice.
I just wanted to say thank you for the respectful discussion that’s been happening in this Thread. So nice to read through multiple conversations with different opinions with no one hurtling insults at another Member who disagrees with them.
If I were to be asked for an example of how to conduct a discussion on HF, this would be my first choice.
Rangers in 7
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And provide an indirect mechanism to acquire more talent.
Pittsburgh has been doing it for years... "buy" low on a player...inflate their numbers with Crosby or Malkin... sell high... repeat.
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I mean yeah, but its different with goalies and why so few are taken early. If you’re drafted in the top 10, there’s no way in hell you should be grossly outplayed by anyone in the later rounds. Depending on the draft, top 3 to top 5 need to be the absolute best in their class and among the better players in the league and top 10 needs to be high caliber NHL player. Beyond that you’re dealing in boom/bust, a player who has potential to be incredible but there are issues that make him less of a sure thing. Once you get to the later part of the first round into the second, you’re dealing with impact player hopefuls, with an expection of bottom 6/bottom pair at the very worst. Once you’re in the 3rd round and beyond, you shouldn’t expect him to sniff an NHL rink. You’re hoping he may be good enough to be a bottom of the barrel player.
It’s also one thing to be outperformed by a player in the later rounds, it’s another thing to not be a high impact playet yourself
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As long as you stay away from the pitfall of thinking "We could have had this player in the 3rd round because we got Buchnevich in the 3rd round", I think it's okay to find the comparison discouraging.
Expecting more from a top-10 pick is normal. But at the same time I feel fans in general (across different fanbases) have flawed expectations of a player drafted in the 7-12 range. This isn't the NFL or NBA where you draft kids out of college at age 21-22. These are 18 year old kids and after the can't-miss prospects at the top (usually no more than 3) the drop off is significant.
Players drafted in the same range as Kravtsov include Couture, Hartnell, Kopitar, Granlund, Carter and Couturier but on the other end of the spectrum you have guys like Olesz, Picard, Hammill, Skille, Sheppard and Glennie. A pick in the latter half of the top-10 is very much hit-or-miss but we tend to focus on the successful picks rather than managing our expectations. It's what fans do. Can't blame them. But it's important to stay grounded when a player has a good season early on. A lesson I need to teach myself from time to time as well
Richard Banger
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It could be that NYR wanted him to focus on the defensive side of the puck. Especially with how talented our forwards are. The only way he may be able to make a big impact on the team is to be a good to great defensive forward that brings some offense.
Richard Banger
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But instead of Hughes we got Kakko and Laf...
sorry just had to say it. Because it still feels unreal.
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In a redraft Buchnevich would be somewhere pretty close to top-10, definitely top-15.
romba
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1st overall after rewatching above porn gif
Wouldn’t mind seeing it again in 20-21... like 8 times
Edge
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You could argue its the same model attempted by Tampa as well.
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Don’t think it’s nearly at the same level. Namestnikov, JTM... who else are you thinking?
romba
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With Tampa it's runs deeper. A bunch of their prospects found huge success at the big show due to playing with superstars, so they keep these solid guys and instead dangle some B level prospects that other GMs then overestimate as A's due to Tampa's 'ability' to find good value in the draft, annnnd.....that's how you get Howden
SA16
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Pittsburgh has not done this.
They traded Sheary for a 4th round pick.
They non-tendered Dominik Simon
They let Kunitz leave as a FA
They traded Perron for Hagelin
They traded Neal for Hornqvist but that's just a swap of similar talent
Guerin/Dupuis retired.
That's basically all over Crosby's regular linemates who went to a different team in the last 10 years. Not one time dud they build someone up and then deal them for great value. As bad as I think most GMs are they are not that bad that they don't realize a player like Sheary or Simon is a product of Crosby or a player like Strome is a product of Panarin.
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Among his peers (2013 draft class)
15th in points (fewer games than anyone ahead of him)
14th in goals (Only Guentzel and Björkstrand have fewer games played)
26th in games played
Barnaby
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That's an excellent point. If you're in the draft or roster building thread, you always see people talking about how they want to 'roll the dice' on that guy with an injury history, playing in a lesser league, or maybe with a character concern. I'm guilty myself at times as I'm sure most are. There's always that desire to aim at the potential high end talent, and sometimes it's a worthy gamble. Safe equates to 'boring' or 'underwhelming.' However, when that dice roll looks less exciting a couple of years later or that player flames out 5 years down the road, then everyones quick to say bust or throw out the few players available at that point in the draft who became solid contributors.
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