Confirmed with Link: Vincent Trocheck signs $5.625 x 7

[SickNice]

I agree with everything you said, but we had options here. We could have had Strome or even Copp for less money, less years. That's what burns me. Maybe Trocheck is a bit better, but 7 years for a 29 year old, who at best, is a 2C?

This reminds me of the Scott Gomez signing. And Gomez had a lot more going for him.

I hope it works out. Trocheck is the kind of player they value here and for good reason.

Gome and Trocheck were both UFAs signed to fill the 2C spot, but beyond that, how in the world does this remind you of the Gomez signing? They're very, very different players at very, very different contracts.

 

[Gardner McKay]

We shall see. But I just keep thinking of the Scott Gomez and Drury signings. Gallant has his fingerprints all over this, so it might turn out be a good thing.

We signed Scott Gomez and Chris Drury to $7mil + deals at a time when the cap was a fraction of what it was now. Their deals represented roughly 14% of our total cap dollars, each, so 28% roughly between both of them. Trocheck alone is going to account for only 6.7% of our cap dollars.

Panarin's contract is almost identical to the cap % as Drury/Gomez... but he puts up more points in one season than both of them did combined.

We aren't even talking apples and oranges, more like durian fruit and apples.

 

[rangersfansince08]

We signed Scott Gomez and Chris Drury to $7mil + deals at a time when the cap was a fraction of what it was now. Their deals represented roughly 14% of our total cap dollars, each, so 28% roughly between both of them. Trocheck alone is going to account for only 6.7% of our cap dollars.

Panarin's contract is almost identical to the cap % as Drury/Gomez... but he puts up more points in one season than both of them did combined.

We aren't even talking apples and oranges, more like durian fruit and apples.

Plus it will probably be even less of than 6.7% of the cap by year 3 or 4 and after that

 

[JohnC]

There's only one reason a player would agree to it, and that's more money. And we know what the reaction to that would be here.

You mean you wouldn't have signed Trocheck to an extra 2M a year just to remove all of the trade protection?

 

[Thirty One]

You mean you wouldn't have signed Trocheck to an extra 2M a year just to remove all of the trade protection?

I would not.

 

[Gluten Free Breadman]

I'm very excited to see this guy play with Panarin on his left and Dryden Hunt on his right.

 

[MarkMessyay11]

You mean you wouldn't have signed Trocheck to an extra 2M a year just to remove all of the trade protection?

Giving Trocheck an extra $2M a year would have been additional trade protection in and of itself…

 

[Rangers in 7]

We signed Scott Gomez and Chris Drury to $7mil + deals at a time when the cap was a fraction of what it was now. Their deals represented roughly 14% of our total cap dollars, each, so 28% roughly between both of them. Trocheck alone is going to account for only 6.7% of our cap dollars.

Panarin's contract is almost identical to the cap % as Drury/Gomez... but he puts up more points in one season than both of them did combined.

We aren't even talking apples and oranges, more like durian fruit and apples.

This post makes so much sense most of the idiots on here will ignore it

But seriously are we really complaining about a 5.6 mil cap hit for an actual second line center.

I’ve seen some people say we could have kept Strome or Copp at the deals they signed. Both of these deals aren’t great when you consider they both aren’t as good as trocheck

 

[SnowblindNYR]

1 goal? We lost 4 games to 2.

We should have won game 3 and it would have been good enough. Besides that you choose to look at the Rangers as a team that almost lost in the first round than a team that gave the two time defending champs a run for their money in the ECF. With fans like that who needs Devils fans?

 

[will1066]

I'm very excited to see this guy play with Panarin on his left and Dryden Hunt on his right.

POTD

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Only Rangers fans would pine for Strome after spending the last 3 years bitching about him.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

I'd argue this point. I like the player, but this has Dolan written all over it. Trocheck vs us was a beast. It just seems reactionary. And that concerns me. After great strides this season, now we do this?

This contract is ugly. Either immediately or later.

Agree but this seems to be an unpopular opinion right now.

Trocheck the player is fine but not at 7 years. That's my concern, how quickly does this contract become ugly? Looking at what they had to give away just to move Nemeth, what would it take to move Trocheck? There's no history or guarantee he has any kind of chemistry with Panarin, he plays a completely different kind of game, so it's a big gamble.

I was listening to SiriusXM NHL radio today and they shared the same concerns about Trocheck.

 

[Tob]

POTD

Now is this the post of the year for this year or last year because I need to know how hard I need to post this year.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

way better skater/forechecker. That was a major problem too

He attacks the middle of the ice.

What worries me is Panarin molding him into playing his style lol

Without a doubt an upgrade over Strome. Personally, though, I don't see Panarin and Trocheck being a marriage made in heaven. I think the other winger is going to have to be Panarin's new bestie while Trocheck is the one that dogs the puck on the forecheck or gets back on defense. Honestly, I think Kakko would be a great fit with Panarin because they both thrive with the puck on their stick.

For example, Panarin-Strome had Hunt and Blackwell at times the last couple of years. I see Trocheck filling that role more so than filling Strome's role.

 

[will1066]

Now is this the post of the year for this year or last year because I need to know how hard I need to post this year.

It says day, man. You're safe.

For now.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

We signed Scott Gomez and Chris Drury to $7mil + deals at a time when the cap was a fraction of what it was now. Their deals represented roughly 14% of our total cap dollars, each, so 28% roughly between both of them. Trocheck alone is going to account for only 6.7% of our cap dollars.

Panarin's contract is almost identical to the cap % as Drury/Gomez... but he puts up more points in one season than both of them did combined.

We aren't even talking apples and oranges, more like durian fruit and apples.

I think it's more to do with: As Drury and Gomez were not the elite centers they were signed to be, Trocheck compares to what Drury was with the Rangers, and the contracts were long, like Trocheck's.

The AAV is not an issue at all. If the term were 4 or 5 years this would be a homerun. But 7 years is a long time for the kind of player Trocheck is. Also, does he put us over the top? I was hoping the 2C would do that. But I think that now leans on the kids. Now, weather we win Cups or not is on if Lafreniere and Kakko reach their potential. I guess it should be that way anyway.

 

[Tob]

Agree but this seems to be an unpopular opinion right now.

Trocheck the player is fine but not at 7 years. That's my concern, how quickly does this contract become ugly? Looking at what they had to give away just to move Nemeth, what would it take to move Trocheck? There's no history or guarantee he has any kind of chemistry with Panarin, he plays a completely different kind of game, so it's a big gamble.

I was listening to SiriusXM NHL radio today and they shared the same concerns about Trocheck.

Many such cases of a cap dump are typically not centers. I am not an authority on this but if we go through some recent history on buyouts and cap dump trades. Shattenkirk, Staal, Girardi, Nemeth, Lundqvist, Smith was in that territory if we were competing. The Devils with Cory Schneider. The took on a cap dump in PK Subban. Islanders have no one recently but they took on Parise who was bought out with Suter, wing and D. Flyers dumped Ghostisbehere to ARI, they were needing to dump JVR (wing) just a few days ago. Toronto just shipped out Mrazek as a dump and took on Murray who is also a dump. Notable one from OTT is Bobby Ryan (LW/RW). A dump exchange of Neal/Lucic, both wings. Let's not forget Islanders dump Andrew Ladd, LW. Canucks big dump Loui Eriksson, LW. They took on what Arizona considers a dump (mostly $$$ less cap) in OEL. Tampa just pseudo dumped McDonagh. Panthers have 2 deadcap on their roster right now (didn't even know until I checked) in Yandle and Darling. All the chaos in Vegas, Fleury chased out for nothing, Pacioretty, Tatar wing wing. Only C that was dumped was Marleau who was old, unwilling to play for anyone other than the Sharks.

My longwinded point is, centers that are productive are always in need and never seems to require drastic measures whether that's buyouts or attaching assets to move. A Stepan that Gorton thought was about to run out of juice netted us the 7th overall pick roughly. Vinny will be 35 to start his final season and will finish the season at 35. He won't be a corpse barring injuries that put him into LTIR territory. If there's a position where you'd be okay with taking the risk of a long term contract, it's a productive center. $5.625 in 5 years is going to be the equivalent of $4.5M today. The price to dump is astronomical right now because of the flat cap. The prices will be half off in 4 years to dump if it comes to it. I'm not sweating it.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I think it's more to do with: As Drury and Gomez were not the elite centers they were signed to be, Trocheck compares to what Drury was with the Rangers, and the contracts were long, like Trocheck's.

The AAV is not an issue at all. If the term were 4 or 5 years this would be a homerun. But 7 years is a long time for the kind of player Trocheck is. Also, does he put us over the top? I was hoping the 2C would do that. But I think that now leans on the kids. Now, weather we win Cups or not is on if Lafreniere and Kakko reach their potential. I guess it should be that way anyway.

That was always going to be the reason we win a cup...
Panarin and mika alone arent enough.
Shesty cant steal 16 games.

 

[Tob]

We signed Scott Gomez and Chris Drury to $7mil + deals at a time when the cap was a fraction of what it was now. Their deals represented roughly 14% of our total cap dollars, each, so 28% roughly between both of them. Trocheck alone is going to account for only 6.7% of our cap dollars.

Panarin's contract is almost identical to the cap % as Drury/Gomez... but he puts up more points in one season than both of them did combined.

We aren't even talking apples and oranges, more like durian fruit and apples.

very condescending of you to say durian fruit and apples as if the people that post on this board wouldn't know what a durian is.

 

[mrmovies779]

very condescending of you to say durian fruit and apples as if the people that post on this board wouldn't know what a durian is.

Who doesn't know that famous group Durian Durian?!?!

 

[Fitzy]

I'm very excited to see this guy play with Panarin on his left and Dryden Hunt on his right.

Hopefully, he is seen as the plumber. Kakko or Kravtsov on the right.

(Obviously. I know Goodrow and Hunt are other options which would suck ass)

 

[duhmetreE]

Without a doubt an upgrade over Strome. Personally, though, I don't see Panarin and Trocheck being a marriage made in heaven. I think the other winger is going to have to be Panarin's new bestie while Trocheck is the one that dogs the puck on the forecheck or gets back on defense. Honestly, I think Kakko would be a great fit with Panarin because they both thrive with the puck on their stick.

For example, Panarin-Strome had Hunt and Blackwell at times the last couple of years. I see Trocheck filling that role more so than filling Strome's role.

Laffy is the answer.

He's been a puck hound. Has great gamesense/vision/IQ. Can finish. Can pass.

Double edged sword though... He produces well and his next contract costs us a lot... If he does break out we have to think about long term contract

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Trocheck will hopefully find that 70 pt form playing with Panarin and on a good PP.

I hope Trocheck can put up his usual 50 points and Lafreniere is the one that racks up points on the PP.

If Laf gets consistent PP1 time and top line with Zibanejad and Kreider, he can hit 60+ points.

 

[bl02]

I'm very excited to see this guy play with Panarin on his left and Dryden Hunt on his right.

Oh no not again lol.
Still find it amazing that Hunt went from playing on the Panarin line to not being even able to crack the 4th line over Reaves in the playoffs.

I hope Trocheck can put up his usual 50 points and Lafreniere is the one that racks up points on the PP.

If Laf gets consistent PP1 time and top line with Zibanejad and Kreider, he can hit 60+ points.

He won't. Have no doubt Trocheck is gonna get that pp1 time. I mean if Strome got it over Laf I won't hold my breath. Laf is just gonna have to continue to play well 5 on 5 and produce there.

 

[GENESISPuck94]

Laffy is the answer.

He's been a puck hound. Has great gamesense/vision/IQ. Can finish. Can pass.

Double edged sword though... He produces well and his next contract costs us a lot... If he does break out we have to think about long term contract

Agree. I would lock up Lafreniere long term and have no doubts about that decision. I see him as our future captain. There's something special about him. I really hope Gallant doesn't mess it up by denying him PP1 time.

He's a big game player, always has been, and it translated to the NHL playoffs. Physical too.

I'm just really concerned Gallant is going to bury these kids under his toys, and Drury just signed an A1 Gallant toy (Trocheck).

I'm very excited to see this guy play with Panarin on his left and Dryden Hunt on his right.

The sad thing is that's a very real possibility lol

Oh no not again lol.
Still find it amazing that Hunt went from playing on the Panarin line to not being even able to crack the 4th line over Reaves in the playoffs.


He won't. Have no doubt Trocheck is gonna get that pp1 time. I mean if Strome got it over Laf I won't hold my breath. Laf is just gonna have to continue to play well 5 on 5 and produce there.

Huge mistake if that happens.