Player Discussion Victor Olofsson (2014, 181st) - Part II (Heading to UFA, Playing at the WCs)

[Ralonzo]

You have a Patrik Laine player for cheap just be happy we will need him come playoff time someday

 

[Sabreality]

He's never going to be a puck carrier/driver, we saw more of that again today through the nz and entering the zone. He'd be better off chipping deep and forechecking, that area of his game along with boardwork has improved, seemed especially more effective pre covid shutdown. Not ready to move on from him in such a wacky season. He'll be teammate dependent with the right mix 5v5, I do think Cozens would be a good player for him with his speed, ability to enter the zone and IQ against lesser competition, whether thats as L2 or matchup favoring L3 idk. Even defensively its not like he's a wreck, compared to so many F's playing "D" this season its not often we single out VO on screw-ups.

PP goals still count and before Jack shutdown the PP was at least clicking.

 

[joshjull]

As harsh as I can be on Olofsson. I want to see him play for a quality coach before they make any decisions on him. He’s only had Krueger as a coach.

 

[Sabreality]

As harsh as I can be on Olofsson. I want to see him play for a quality coach before they make any decisions on him. He’s only had Krueger as a coach.

and oddly enough, maybe Krueger was good for him with certain aspects of his game (not the stifling of course lol), but the playin 'connected', responsible positionally, some checking and board work...boring sure but he did put in the effort there. Maybe another year to build on that with an NHL coach will provide a step up.

 

[joshjull]

and oddly enough, maybe Krueger was good for him with certain aspects of his game (not the stifling of course lol), but the playin 'connected', responsible positionally, some checking and board work...boring sure but he did put in the effort there. Maybe another year to build on that with an NHL coach will provide a step up.

I’m not sure I buy Krueger helping him. I think the fundamentals were drilled into him by Taylor in the AHL. VO just had to keep working at them at the NHL level.

 

[joshjull]

I am not sure why people would want to get rid of Oloffson. There are some issues to be addressed to put him in the right position in the lineup and right position in the salary structure, but I wouldn't move him unless you cannot fix the second one, because you certainly can fix how he is used.

Some may want to get rid of him. But most looking to trade him see him as the asset most likely to bring back something that makes us better, even with losing him.

As far as his contract, the Sabres have made the mistake of gifting him a prime points producing position on the first line where Skinner should have been, which translates into more money. If you pay him for his points per game you are going to overpay. If you understand what he does well and can get a 5-7 year contract at a reasonable rate for how he will be used in the future then sign him. If not then trade him while his value is high.

It only translates into money if he actually produces in that usage He hasn’t. Thats why his unique production profile will present interesting challenges come his next contract. Though that could change with growth next year under a new coach and better usage.

Olofsson is not the kind of player we should be committing to for 5 to 7yrs.

So, first you need to move him to right wing where his biggest asset (his shot) is toward the center of the ice which maximizes his angle on the net. Play him on either the third or second line, whichever one you design to be more of a run and gun offensive line. Leave him in his spot on the powerplay.

Right wing doesn’t matter 5v5 when all forwards become F1, F2 and F3 in the offensive zone. It might help on a transition rush but thats about it.

Lastly, I will counter those who do not think he is anything more than a shot. In many ways he reminds me of Rienhart light. He has plenty of things to work on and get better at, and he does. He slowly, but steadily gets better at hockey. He is a more well rounded player this year than last. He will keep getting better. He is smart, has decent hockey sense, is a decent passer, etc. His speed is average but not a detriment. He is not a physical corner grinder, but he will go there and do what his size allows. He is one of the better hockey players on the team, especially if used by a coach putting him with the right linemates and deployments.

He’s no where near Sam as a player, especially 5v5. He is certainly not Sam lite.

Its also kind of odd you have this tender spot for Olofsson and his ability to keep growing as a player. Next year he’ll be a 26yr old in his D+8 season developing in the position (wing) thats the quickest to transition into the NHL at. It why so many young centers are started there first.

Yet you dump all over Dahlin and Mitts who are much younger players trying to develop in much tougher positions (Center/defense vs winger).

I’d argue they all have time to keep growing. But I’d be more inclined to give the young players the benefit of the doubt

He is nowhere near the top half of my list when it comes to people I would get rid of or trade.

I don’t want to get rid of him but I’m open to it for the reasons listed above. But I’m hardly going to be upset if he stays.

 

[TehDoak]

As harsh as I can be on Olofsson. I want to see him play for a quality coach before they make any decisions on him. He’s only had Krueger as a coach.

I mean, he's 25 and been in pro leagues for a bit now. But, I think he is what he is at this point.

He's a power play specialist. He's got a booming shot that is impossible if you set it up. He's also bad defensively.

I mean, given that Skinner is a bit of a turd on the power play and good at even strength, i mean, this should be easy:

Olofsson gets PP1 time, Skinner is stapled to Eichel's wing at even strength

At even strength, put Olofsson with Sheltered O zone starts and try to limit his d-zone situations.

It's not rocket science, its just basic utilizing a players strengths and limiting their weaknesses.

I've got zero problems keeping Olofsson, I also would trade him if the move made sense. I'm not moving him for futures though, we have plenty of cap space, it'd have to be a hockey deal where we are getting another role back.

 

[elchud]

I'd go all in on (overpay) Iafallo as the only UFA this offseason i think he makes a 1st line work

Iafallo Eichel Olofsson
Skinner Mitts Reinhart
Girgs Cozens Lazar
Rieder Asplund Tage
Eakin/Dea

This is attaching Olofsson to Eichels hip 18 minutes a game. Maybe Iafallo isn't a 4 or 5 million a year (id go 4.75 a year for upside youth and fit and...we gotta overpay) player but he might be and its not a Moulson/Okposo situation and he makes that line work. And you give Mitts a good setup winger wise.

 

[Bendium]

Some may want to get rid of him. But most looking to trade him see him as the asset most likely to bring back something that makes us better, even with losing him.

It only translates into money if he actually produces in that usage He hasn’t. Thats why his unique production profile will present interesting challenges come his next contract. Though that could change with growth next year under a new coach and better usage.

Olofsson is not the kind of player we should be committing to for 5 to 7yrs.

Right wing doesn’t matter 5v5 when all forwards become F1, F2 and F3 in the offensive zone. It might help on a transition rush but thats about it.

He’s no where near Sam as a player, especially 5v5. He is certainly not Sam lite.

Its also kind of odd you have this tender spot for Olofsson and his ability to keep growing as a player. Next year he’ll be a 26yr old in his D+8 season developing in the position (wing) thats the quickest to transition into the NHL at. It why so many young centers are started there first.

Yet you dump all over Dahlin and Mitts who are much younger players trying to develop in much tougher positions (Center/defense vs winger).

I’d argue they all have time to keep growing. But I’d be more inclined to give the young players the benefit of the doubt

I don’t want to get rid of him but I’m open to it for the reasons listed above. But I’m hardly going to be upset if he stays.

I started reading this and immediately asked myself, "Did this guy even read my post? Seems to be cherry picking parts to take out of context, to drive some agenda." Then I got to the bold part and saw the agenda. You just don't like me for some reason and decided you wanted to let me know it. Sure. Good for you.

I post what I see and think about players, not other posters.

1. Oloffson is a low round draft pick that had to get here on his own by working at his craft every day to overcome the odds. He continues to work on it as he adjusts to the NHL game in his second year. That is the kind of attitude and personal drive we need more of on the team, not less. 26 to me is perfect. At that age you are just starting to come into your prime years physically and mentally. His next 6 years will be his best. If I can get them at the right price I will take it. Nothing wrong with this asset if used and paid correctly.

2. Mittelstadt. I literally just made a post yesterday about his positive forward progress yesterday. There is a long way to go, and I still do not see him making it at center, but if he keeps working at it I think he could make it as a winger. I said that a year ago as well. That said, he made it to the draft as a trick shot artist, which got immediately revealed the second he faced tougher competition. Once he was faced with some amount of failure and adversity he folded like a house of cards mentally. He didn't have that "it" factor that you want in a #8 pick. He still doesn't have it. He likely never will have it. That's not a knock on him, its just the reality. 90% of your base personality is set by the time you are 6 years old, when your brains hardware is set up. It gets refined up till about 12 years old. After that the majority of the hardware is set. The rest of your life you are constantly writing software to adjust the natural input/output of your hardware to get a more desirable result. That's Casey right now, and if he has gotten a wakeup call, come to face with the fact he had himself on a path to washing out, and is putting in the effort to write some better software over his hardware, then good for him. I applaud it because it is hard to do. It still will never substitute for having the hardware to do it naturally from the start. - See Cozens.

3. Dahlin. When I watch him play I see an overmatched kid, playing way above his ability right now. He looks lost. He doesn't have the skillset or mental makeup to be in the position he is right now, and the Sabres are doing him a disservice staying the course. He needs to be at a lower level of play like the AHL immediately. He needs to be somewhere that he can work on his skating, his positioning, and everything else that is basic to hockey. He is mentally crumbling under the weight of expectations from being the number one pick, and being thrust right into the NHL in a role he was nowhere near physically or mentally ready for. Once again though, this starts to back itself into questions about mental strength. I don't think he is a bust, but I also do not think he is destined to be an elite defenseman. That is what I see with my eye. You are welcome to discuss what you see with yours.

 

[2 others]

I started reading this and immediately asked myself, "Did this guy even read my post? Seems to be cherry picking parts to take out of context, to drive some agenda." Then I got to the bold part and saw the agenda. You just don't like me for some reason and decided you wanted to let me know it. Sure. Good for you.

I post what I see and think about players, not other posters.

1. Oloffson is a low round draft pick that had to get here on his own by working at his craft every day to overcome the odds. He continues to work on it as he adjusts to the NHL game in his second year. That is the kind of attitude and personal drive we need more of on the team, not less. 26 to me is perfect. At that age you are just starting to come into your prime years physically and mentally. His next 6 years will be his best. If I can get them at the right price I will take it. Nothing wrong with this asset if used and paid correctly.

2. Mittelstadt. I literally just made a post yesterday about his positive forward progress yesterday. There is a long way to go, and I still do not see him making it at center, but if he keeps working at it I think he could make it as a winger. I said that a year ago as well. That said, he made it to the draft as a trick shot artist, which got immediately revealed the second he faced tougher competition. Once he was faced with some amount of failure and adversity he folded like a house of cards mentally. He didn't have that "it" factor that you want in a #8 pick. He still doesn't have it. He likely never will have it. That's not a knock on him, its just the reality. 90% of your base personality is set by the time you are 6 years old, when your brains hardware is set up. It gets refined up till about 12 years old. After that the majority of the hardware is set. The rest of your life you are constantly writing software to adjust the natural input/output of your hardware to get a more desirable result. That's Casey right now, and if he has gotten a wakeup call, come to face with the fact he had himself on a path to washing out, and is putting in the effort to write some better software over his hardware, then good for him. I applaud it because it is hard to do. It still will never substitute for having the hardware to do it naturally from the start. - See Cozens.

3. Dahlin. When I watch him play I see an overmatched kid, playing way above his ability right now. He looks lost. He doesn't have the skillset or mental makeup to be in the position he is right now, and the Sabres are doing him a disservice staying the course. He needs to be at a lower level of play like the AHL immediately. He needs to be somewhere that he can work on his skating, his positioning, and everything else that is basic to hockey. He is mentally crumbling under the weight of expectations from being the number one pick, and being thrust right into the NHL in a role he was nowhere near physically or mentally ready for. Once again though, this starts to back itself into questions about mental strength. I don't think he is a bust, but I also do not think he is destined to be an elite defenseman. That is what I see with my eye. You are welcome to discuss what you see with yours.

I disagree with all your 3 points.
You apply certain principles to certain players, but you do it in a random style.

Your take about 'base personality' is a slap in the face to all the progressive lifestyles out there. You are not an athlete, or at least see things from an athletes perspective, and thankfully they (or Middlestadt in that case) will never think that way.

 

[Fjordy]

I started reading this and immediately asked myself, "Did this guy even read my post? Seems to be cherry picking parts to take out of context, to drive some agenda." Then I got to the bold part and saw the agenda. You just don't like me for some reason and decided you wanted to let me know it. Sure. Good for you.

I post what I see and think about players, not other posters.

1. Oloffson is a low round draft pick that had to get here on his own by working at his craft every day to overcome the odds. He continues to work on it as he adjusts to the NHL game in his second year. That is the kind of attitude and personal drive we need more of on the team, not less. 26 to me is perfect. At that age you are just starting to come into your prime years physically and mentally. His next 6 years will be his best. If I can get them at the right price I will take it. Nothing wrong with this asset if used and paid correctly.

2. Mittelstadt. I literally just made a post yesterday about his positive forward progress yesterday. There is a long way to go, and I still do not see him making it at center, but if he keeps working at it I think he could make it as a winger. I said that a year ago as well. That said, he made it to the draft as a trick shot artist, which got immediately revealed the second he faced tougher competition. Once he was faced with some amount of failure and adversity he folded like a house of cards mentally. He didn't have that "it" factor that you want in a #8 pick. He still doesn't have it. He likely never will have it. That's not a knock on him, its just the reality. 90% of your base personality is set by the time you are 6 years old, when your brains hardware is set up. It gets refined up till about 12 years old. After that the majority of the hardware is set. The rest of your life you are constantly writing software to adjust the natural input/output of your hardware to get a more desirable result. That's Casey right now, and if he has gotten a wakeup call, come to face with the fact he had himself on a path to washing out, and is putting in the effort to write some better software over his hardware, then good for him. I applaud it because it is hard to do. It still will never substitute for having the hardware to do it naturally from the start. - See Cozens.

3. Dahlin. When I watch him play I see an overmatched kid, playing way above his ability right now. He looks lost. He doesn't have the skillset or mental makeup to be in the position he is right now, and the Sabres are doing him a disservice staying the course. He needs to be at a lower level of play like the AHL immediately. He needs to be somewhere that he can work on his skating, his positioning, and everything else that is basic to hockey. He is mentally crumbling under the weight of expectations from being the number one pick, and being thrust right into the NHL in a role he was nowhere near physically or mentally ready for. Once again though, this starts to back itself into questions about mental strength. I don't think he is a bust, but I also do not think he is destined to be an elite defenseman. That is what I see with my eye. You are welcome to discuss what you see with yours.

I literally disagree with all your 3 points

 

[2 others]

I literally disagree with all your 3 points

LOL, i just said the same thing, but subtracted 'literally' from my sentence, and added a few more points.

 

[Fjordy]

LOL, i just said the same thing, but subtracted 'literally' from my sentence, and added a few more points.

Well I just copied your comment

 

[2 others]

Well I just copied your comment

....

 

[Bendium]

I disagree with all your 3 points.
You apply certain principles to certain players, but you do it in a random style.

Your take about 'base personality' is a slap in the face to all the progressive lifestyles out there. You are not an athlete, or at least see things from an athletes perspective, and thankfully they (or Middlestadt in that case) will never think that way.

1. You are free to disagree with my points. Some information or thought process behind your arguments is a more traditional approach than "just because."

2. I have been an athlete at a pretty high level. Played 11 different sports in high school and continued on in both the military and college. I have achieve a very high level of management and mentoring in my career overseeing the hiring and development of hundreds of people.

3. I am not sure what you mean about a base personality being a slap in the face to progressive lifestyles. What I gave you is some of the more advanced science that has been coming out over the past 15 years. Do you know they we have learned more about how the brain develops and functions in the last ten years than all the time before it. Educate yourself. Knowing the truth helps you separate the way things are from how we wish or guess things are. The more we understand how we function the better our approach toward both accepting and managing our limitations, and bringing our strengths to bear. Its not judgement.

 

[2 others]

2. I have been an athlete at a pretty high level. Played 11 different sports in high school and continued on in both the military and college. I have achieve a very high level of management and mentoring in my career overseeing the hiring and development of hundreds of people.

So you should know better.
I don't care too much what positions and achievements people have had in their lives, success is no guarantee for doing it the right way. Too many clueless people in authority messing things up. Look at the Pegulas. Look at the GMs in this league, Botterill much? Just to give perspective from this forums point of view.

3. I am not sure what you mean about a base personality being a slap in the face to progressive lifestyles. What I gave you is some of the more advanced science that has been coming out over the past 15 years. Do you know they we have learned more about how the brain develops and functions in the last ten years than all the time before it. Educate yourself. Knowing the truth helps you separate the way things are from how we wish or guess things are. The more we understand how we function the better our approach toward both accepting and managing our limitations, and bringing our strengths to bear. Its not judgement.

I've met my fair share of people with limitations - as we all have them - but it all starts within their heads, and it ends there.
You are not a professional athlete, so you don't know what they've gone through in terms of believing in themselves and realizing potential. The best athletes are the ones that still discover something new about themselves way past their development curve (= Chara is a good example, he certainly knows nothing about borders and ceilings).
That's why i'm amazed you come to those conclusions when watching Dahlin. You do know that he's 20? Like Trotz said, that kid still has no clue how good he can be, it's the untapped potential that even Dahlin himself hasn't discovered yet.

About that science thing, i can pretty much guarantee you that in 50 years from now most of these so called conclusions and scientific facts are gone out the window.
I'm not going into detail here, but i've had my own experiences with people, and their limitations, and how they try to impose their limited viewpoint onto other people.
Let's say i was able to prove them wrong on separate occasions, or at least i could've if they were still around.

 

[Bendium]

So you should know better.
I don't care too much what positions and achievements people have had in their lives, success is no guarantee for doing it the right way. Too many clueless people in authority messing things up. Look at the Pegulas. Look at the GMs in this league, Botterill much? Just to give perspective from this forums point of view.



I've met my fair share of people with limitations - as we all have them - but it all starts within their heads, and it ends there.
You are not a professional athlete, so you don't know what they've gone through in terms of believing in themselves and realizing potential. The best athletes are the ones that still discover something new about themselves way past their development curve (= Chara is a good example, he certainly knows nothing about borders and ceilings).
That's why i'm amazed you come to those conclusions when watching Dahlin. You do know that he's 20? Like Trotz said, that kid still has no clue how good he can be, it's the untapped potential that even Dahlin himself hasn't discovered yet.

About that science thing, i can pretty much guarantee you that in 50 years from now most of these so called conclusions and scientific facts are gone out the window.
I'm not going into detail here, but i've had my own experiences with people, and their limitations, and how they try to impose their limited viewpoint onto other people.
Let's say i was able to prove them wrong on separate occasions, or at least i could've if they were still around.

There is lots here I would love to have a healthy conversation with you about. However, I don't sense that you are interested in heading down a healthy path. So, I am going to leave it as it is. I wish you the best.

 

[2 others]

There is lots here I would love to have a healthy conversation with you about. However, I don't sense that you are interested in heading down a healthy path. So, I am going to leave it as it is. I wish you the best.

Ok, fair enough, i could offer you a private conversation. I dislike the idea of battling it out here in public anyway

 

[joshjull]

I started reading this and immediately asked myself, "Did this guy even read my post? Seems to be cherry picking parts to take out of context, to drive some agenda." Then I got to the bold part and saw the agenda. You just don't like me for some reason and decided you wanted to let me know it. Sure. Good for you.

I post what I see and think about players, not other posters.

I quite clearly read your post. I broke it into segments and addressed each of the points you made. But I think you know that.

If you disagree with me thats fine. But don’t go accusing me of something I didn’t do like attacking you personally. I disagreed with and criticized YOUR OPINIONS. If you take that to mean I don’t like you. Then you're feeling something I’m not putting out there.

1. Oloffson is a low round draft pick that had to get here on his own by working at his craft every day to overcome the odds. He continues to work on it as he adjusts to the NHL game in his second year. That is the kind of attitude and personal drive we need more of on the team, not less. 26 to me is perfect. At that age you are just starting to come into your prime years physically and mentally. His next 6 years will be his best. If I can get them at the right price I will take it. Nothing wrong with this asset if used and paid correctly.

Olofsson is a great story as a 7th round pick making the NHL. But that has no relevance to where he fits going forward. Nor does him making the NHL as a 7th rounder mean he worked any harder than anyone else to get here.

He still has flaws in his 5v5 game that aren’t likely to go away. He’s not getting bigger, stronger, faster or tougher. But he can be used better 5v5.

Also 26 is not the start of a NHL player’s peak years.

A New Look at Aging Curves for NHL Skaters (part 1)

“Most players hit their peak age by age 24 or 25 then decline gradually until age 30, at which point their performance can begin to tumble more noticeably with the risk of absolute collapse by age 34 or 35.”

2. Mittelstadt. I literally just made a post yesterday about his positive forward progress yesterday. There is a long way to go, and I still do not see him making it at center, but if he keeps working at it I think he could make it as a winger. I said that a year ago as well. That said, he made it to the draft as a trick shot artist, which got immediately revealed the second he faced tougher competition. Once he was faced with some amount of failure and adversity he folded like a house of cards mentally. He didn't have that "it" factor that you want in a #8 pick. He still doesn't have it. He likely never will have it. That's not a knock on him, its just the reality. 90% of your base personality is set by the time you are 6 years old, when your brains hardware is set up. It gets refined up till about 12 years old. After that the majority of the hardware is set. The rest of your life you are constantly writing software to adjust the natural input/output of your hardware to get a more desirable result. That's Casey right now, and if he has gotten a wakeup call, come to face with the fact he had himself on a path to washing out, and is putting in the effort to write some better software over his hardware, then good for him. I applaud it because it is hard to do. It still will never substitute for having the hardware to do it naturally from the start. - See Cozens.

Fair points about Mitts having a ways to go to be a NHL player and it might not be in the cards for him to play center. But the rest of the stuff is a bit much and kind of hard to take seriously as reason for his initial struggles.

Mitts issue wasn’t about being mentally weak. It was literally being weak. He didn’t have the strength/conditioning to handle the NHL. Thankfully he learned from his initial failure and put the work in on his strength/conditioning the last two offseasons.

The results of that work this season is a much quicker player who can sustain his effort level throughout a game and on every shift. That wasn’t the case when he first played in the NHL. Now we wait to see what he can do.

I agree with you that Cozens was much better prepared for the NHL. I sometime wonder if high end talent like Mitts would be better served going to the Canadian juniors route. Where they learn about the grind of a season earlier.

3. Dahlin. When I watch him play I see an overmatched kid, playing way above his ability right now. He looks lost. He doesn't have the skillset or mental makeup to be in the position he is right now, and the Sabres are doing him a disservice staying the course. He needs to be at a lower level of play like the AHL immediately. He needs to be somewhere that he can work on his skating, his positioning, and everything else that is basic to hockey. He is mentally crumbling under the weight of expectations from being the number one pick, and being thrust right into the NHL in a role he was nowhere near physically or mentally ready for. Once again though, this starts to back itself into questions about mental strength. I don't think he is a bust, but I also do not think he is destined to be an elite defenseman. That is what I see with my eye. You are welcome to discuss what you see with yours.

Dahlin lost his confidence. One of many things Krueger destroyed on this team. He looked very confident and not overwhelmed in his rookie year. I have faith he’ll get back to that with better coaching.


But your takes in this post on Dahlin/Mitts is what I was talking about in my previous post. You’re basically savaging the two of them as mentally weak players who can’t handle the pressure of the NHL. The first sign of difficulty they will fold under the pressure. Whether you intend to or or not you’ve given the impression this isn’t likely to change without a TON of work.

Yet Olofsson is described in this post as the type of player we need more off. How is he mentally tougher than those two kids? he literally only produces in the easiest minutes on the PP. It also wouldn’t be unfair, if a bit harsh, to describe him as a soft perimeter player 5v5. One who has been unable to handle the challenge of being a top 6 winger for almost 90gms.

So I’m honestly confused why you hold him in such high regard and view those two through such a harsh lense.

 

[Bendium]

But your takes in this post on Dahlin/Mitts is what I was talking about in my previous post. You’re basically savaging the two of them as mentally weak players who can’t handle the pressure of the NHL. The first sign of difficulty they will fold under the pressure. Whether you intend to or or not you’ve given the impression this isn’t likely to change without a TON of work.

Yet Olofsson is described in this post as the type of player we need more off. How is he mentally tougher than those two kids? he literally only produces in the easiest minutes on the PP. It also wouldn’t be unfair, if a bit harsh, to describe him as a soft perimeter player 5v5. One who has been unable to handle the challenge of being a top 6 winger for almost 90gms.

So I’m honestly confused why you hold him in such high regard and view those two through such a harsh lense.

I absolutely intended to give the impression that I think to this point that Mitts and Dahlin have been mentally soft.

I absolutely think it is going to take a TON of work for them to overcome their weaknesses.

I also do not hate either one of them. I just do not think they have the mental makeup I would ever draft that high. I think they both should have had to play at the lower levels and worked/earned their way up. The Sabres have been exceptionally terrible about rushing players up the ladder and "hoping" they get lucky. Mitts especially should have played out his junior eligibility and then went to Rochester. He never should have seen an NHL game until he earned it.

You make it sound like I am 100% one way with Mitts/Dahlin, and 100% the other way with Olofsson. Not true, its not an all or none thing.

 

[DapperCam]

How could anybody want to trade this guy? He is one of two people on the roster that can score at all this year.

Reinhart is first in goals with 13, Olofsson is second with 10, and third is...Lazar with 5...

Let’s get rid of 13% of our goals for the year, and see how that will improve our win total.

 

[HaNotsri]

How could anybody want to trade this guy? He is one of two people on the roster that can score at all this year.

Reinhart is first in goals with 13, Olofsson is second with 10, and third is...Lazar with 5...

Let’s get rid of 13% of our goals for the year, and see how that will improve our win total.

Because the return would be decent, selling high while creating cap space. Not interested in getting rid of Olofsson but a 1st could help us retool + extend both Reinhart, Dahlin and Ullmark with space left for other moves.

Skinner/Mitts could replace him on the powerplay.
Eichel and Skinner will score more next season and then we have Quinn, Cozens and Mittelstadt who should be able to provide some scoring,

 

[jc17]

Because the return would be decent, selling high while creating cap space. Not interested in getting rid of Olofsson but a 1st could help us retool + extend both Reinhart, Dahlin and Ullmark with space left for other moves.

Skinner/Mitts could replace him on the powerplay.
Eichel and Skinner will score more next season and then we have Quinn, Cozens and Mittelstadt who should be able to provide some scoring,

This has been stated so many times in this thread. Can it just be stickied as the first post on every page? People keep acting like others are just trying to get rid of VO for the heck of it.


His scoring has also severely reduced without eichel on the pp, and like you said, if we can't make the pp work with our other players, we have bigger problems

 

[tsujimoto74]

How could anybody want to trade this guy? He is one of two people on the roster that can score at all this year.

Reinhart is first in goals with 13, Olofsson is second with 10, and third is...Lazar with 5...

Let’s get rid of 13% of our goals for the year, and see how that will improve our win total.

He's a good piece, and I wouldn't move him unless it was a good hockey trade for us, but I don't view him as a core player. If I were the GM and someone called asking about him, I'd listen.

 

[My Cozen Dylan]

Looks like VO is switching numbers.

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