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Proposal: VGK-PIT-TOR

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Empoleon8771 said:
More than a decent prospect and a waive wire throw-in guy.
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I'm not sure I would trade Minten alone. What exactly does Roy do other than be big? He's 28, makes $3 million, is 6'4" but has thrown fewer hits than 5'9" Robertson... is a C that hasn't been above 50% in the dot since he was a rookie, doesn't seem particularly great defensively, gets outscored when he's on the ice, and doesn't play a huge role on either special teams.

Edit: Forgot to add spends a lot of time in the penalty box...
 
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hamzarocks said:
Bunting was a cap dump in that deal. He was having a bad year for the Canes and had 2 years left of term. He wasnt a positive asset but a cap balance piece

Rakell wont get back Guentzel level package because at his best hes worst 10-15% than normal Guentzel.

They arent comparable players.
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Raks has term, jake didn't. Raks should get more.
 
Curious how Korczak's development has been from a Vegas fans perspective. Big and a RHD, wouldn't mind a Roy + Korczak package going to the Leafs, though not sure we'd have the right assests they'd want to entice them to do so.
 
PensandCaps said:
Raks has term, jake didn't. Raks should get more.
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Rakell having term is the issue.

Last year he sucked with 37 in 70

This year he has been good with a near 70 pt pace.

He has 3 more years to go after this at 5M and is in his mid 30s (2011 draft pick so around 32/33)

A guy like him is more in demand as a rental or 1+1 (2 playoff run type player) than at full value for 3 years of term.

If he was expiring next yesr and had his salary retained down to 2.5M hed be having a bidding war on him with 1st + 2nd +prospect type value .

I think the Pens should keep him another 1.5 seasons hope hes a 50-60 pt player still and then deal him.
 
Vegas can't afford to move out multiple pieces and their highest draft pick for the next two years (no firsts in 25 and 26) for another aging winger having a career year at 32.
 
TheBeard said:
Vegas can't afford to move out multiple pieces and their highest draft pick for the next two years (no firsts in 25 and 26) for another aging winger having a career year at 32.
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...it IS Vegas; they have, in their short history, not really given a Flying Fark about the future when NOW assets hit the market...
 
BigDaddyLurch said:
...it IS Vegas; they have, in their short history, not really given a Flying Fark about the future when NOW assets hit the market...
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They no longer have the pieces. Last TDL they gave up two firsts and their first rounder that year (Edstrom). They already have a fairly bare prospect cupboard and a team that's average age is 28.4
 
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TheBeard said:
They no longer have the pieces. Last TDL they gave up two firsts and their first rounder that year (Edstrom). They already have a fairly bare prospect cupboard and a team that's average age is 28.4
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I did not factor in VGK being unwilling to part with a 2nd when I made this proposal.
 
hamzarocks said:
Rakell having term is the issue.

Last year he sucked with 37 in 70

This year he has been good with a near 70 pt pace.

He has 3 more years to go after this at 5M and is in his mid 30s (2011 draft pick so around 32/33)

A guy like him is more in demand as a rental or 1+1 (2 playoff run type player) than at full value for 3 years of term.

If he was expiring next yesr and had his salary retained down to 2.5M hed be having a bidding war on him with 1st + 2nd +prospect type value .

I think the Pens should keep him another 1.5 seasons hope hes a 50-60 pt player still and then deal him.
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no. his caphit is good value. his term is an asset
 
TheBeard said:
Vegas can't afford to move out multiple pieces and their highest draft pick for the next two years (no firsts in 25 and 26) for another aging winger having a career year at 32.
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...not to get this topic off the rails, but what would Vegas offer to get some picks back??...Montreal has a plethora of picks and a deep prospect pool...
 
BigDaddyLurch said:
...probably...it's still a few years away, though, so the now matters to them more...let the arena be half-empty in 5 years, just not the now...
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I think it's closer than you think. Look at the ages.
Barbashev - 29
Hertl - 31
Karlsson - 32
Stone - 33 (almost)
Hanifin - 28
McNabb - 34
Petro - 35
Theodore almost 30

Only Eichel and Doro are under 29 and Eichel is turning 29 in October.
 
TheBeard said:
I think it's closer than you think. Look at the ages.
Barbashev - 29
Hertl - 31
Karlsson - 32
Stone - 33 (almost)
Hanifin - 28
McNabb - 34
Petro - 35
Theodore almost 30

Only Eichel and Doro are under 29 and Eichel is turning 29 in October.
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...I gave it 5 years so as not to come off as "biased", being of another fanbase...you are correct, though, and that will be a problem, imo, for attendance once the team runs out of Runway with the current group...
 
hangman005 said:
Not gonna lie I'd be tempted, can we throw in Holtz or Schwindt just so I never have to hear of them again. I mean because they are extremely valuable players... top notch :sarcasm::laugh:
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Flames will take Schwindt back from your thieving, draft pick and prospect hating team. :silly:

Value isnt there for me as a Pens fan. I dont want a bunch of middling prospects and picks. Give me an NHL ready prospect or a 1st.
 
BigDaddyLurch said:
...I gave it 5 years so as not to come off as "biased", being of another fanbase...you are correct, though, and that will be a problem, imo, for attendance once the team runs out of Runway with the current group...
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You started seeing it in the offseason, the limitations of what they could do when they realized they had to start letting older players go and all they could really bring in were low risk low ceiling lotto tickets like Shmid and Holtz and Pearson.
 
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