Confirmed Trade: [VGK/CGY/PHI] Noah Hanifin (75% retained), Mikhail Vorobyov to VGK; 2026 1st , 2025 cond. 3rd, Daniil Miromanov to CGY; 2024 5th to PHI

[TrufleShufle]

We don’t even know what the whole deal is yet.

Since when do we need any information about a topic to have a strong opinion on it?

 

[JoeSakic13]

The third team is the Isles, just it’s past Lou’s bedtime so he’ll sign off tommorrow.

 

[Three On Zero]

The third team is the Isles, just it’s past Lou’s bedtime so he’ll sign off tommorrow.

“I’ll retain 50%, but it won’t be until tomorrow. It’s getting late”

 

[InfinityIggy]

Since when do we need any information about a topic to have a strong opinion on it?

When you’ve got an axe to grind!

 

[Ted Hoffman]

I think its pretty simple. If the NHL salary cap is 83M then the 20 players dressed in an NHL playoff game needs to be 83M or less.

Example: Cap = $85 million.

Team A:
* Carries $80 million in total cap hits for 4/5ths of the season.
* At the 4/5ths mark, when the trade deadline occurs, has been charged 80 x 4/5 = $64 million
* Can spend up to $21 million the rest of the way and still be cap compliant
* Permissibly - and without LTIR - makes trades and adds $15 million in cap dollars.
* Now carries $95 million in cap dollars from the trade deadline to the end of the season
* Gets charged 95 x 1/5 = $19 million for that last 1/5th of the season
* Ends the season having spent $83 million, so $2 million less than what was allowed under the cap

Your rule for the cap in the playoffs: that team - which had a roster that was completely valid in Game 82, which ran with a roster that was completely cap compliant the entire season, under the rules of how the salary cap is calculated had $2 million to spare - is non-compliant for the playoffs and must cut $10 million.

You don't think that's going to cause a few problems?

It would allow teams to add during the season if they have injuries, but wouldn't allow them to have an unfair advantage come playoffs if a player comes back from injury.

Is it also unfair if teams save cap dollars, go to the trade deadline, add some players, and their total cap dollars exceed the cap but because of cap accounting the team never exceeds the cap and might even have a few dollars left over?

Cause ... the cap system has allowed that since 2005-06, and everyone has known that and in fact budgeted accordingly for it, and now you're treating any excess of cap dollars on the roster, regardless of the reason, as an "unfair advantage."

They could still put that player into the line up but they'd have to take somebody else out.

The NHLPA is never going for this. And when I say never, I mean "they're never giving that up without a 3-4 year or more shutdown of the league, which is never happening" kind of never.

 

[mouser]

For the record I'm ok with what Vegas is doing but this post is completely irrelevant. Vancouver is in LTIR but we cant add anyone because our guy is back before the playoffs. People are pissed if Stone and now possibly Alex both come back for the playoffs while getting tu use their 12 million to add Mantha Hanifin etc and then get them back for the playoffs.

A simple fix is players not playing game 82 cant return for the playoffs if LTIR was used with their cap that's a fair way to do it.

I agree in principle there should be a restriction on LTIR players returning for the playoffs.

On the other hand from a union NHLPA point of view it isn’t “fair” for Players who have little to no control on their LTIR assignment to be restricted in participating in the playoffs. Especially those players on expiring contracts looking for a good UFA deal the upcoming season.

I’d prefer a solution where the amount of LTIR relief is constrained lower than the full 100% in the current CBA,

 

[DJJones]

Hanifin also somewhat controls where he gets traded to and can hold an extension as bait for others to not sign him. He kind of has Conroy over a barrel

Not really, the extension was just to maximize value.

Hanifin as a pure rental still had tons of value.

 

[IceNeophyte]

Since when do we need any information about a topic to have a strong opinion on it?

When the first round pick is added and Hanifin having significant control over his destination is considered, miramanov is moot.

 

[McFlyingV]

Example: Cap = $85 million.

Team A:
* Carries $80 million in total cap hits for 4/5ths of the season.
* At the 4/5ths mark, when the trade deadline occurs, has been charged 80 x 4/5 = $64 million
* Can spend up to $21 million the rest of the way and still be cap compliant
* Permissibly - and without LTIR - makes trades and adds $15 million in cap dollars.
* Now carries $95 million in cap dollars from the trade deadline to the end of the season
* Gets charged 95 x 1/5 = $19 million for that last 1/5th of the season
* Ends the season having spent $83 million, so $2 million less than what was allowed under the cap

Your rule for the cap in the playoffs: that team - which had a roster that was completely valid in Game 82, which ran with a roster that was completely cap compliant the entire season, under the rules of how the salary cap is calculated had $2 million to spare - is non-compliant for the playoffs and must cut $10 million.

You don't think that's going to cause a few problems?


Is it also unfair if teams save cap dollars, go to the trade deadline, add some players, and their total cap dollars exceed the cap but because of cap accounting the team never exceeds the cap and might even have a few dollars left over?

Cause ... the cap system has allowed that since 2005-06, and everyone has known that and in fact budgeted accordingly for it, and now you're treating any excess of cap dollars on the roster, regardless of the reason, as an "unfair advantage."


The NHLPA is never going for this. And when I say never, I mean "they're never giving that up without a 3-4 year or more shutdown of the league, which is never happening" kind of never.

Then just remove the cap

 

[red devil]

 

[Malkinstheman]

Surely that can't be it right? Just a 1st and 2nd/3rd seems awfully low

 

[Hattrick Kane]

That’s it? Does McCrimmon have a silver tongue?

 

[Five Alarm Fire]

Can’t believe JBB wasn’t willing to match that.

 

[red devil]

Surely that can't be it right? Just a 1st and 2nd/3rd seems awfully low

That's it Friedman just tweeted the same information

 

[viper0220]

The Flames got hosed by the looks of it.

 

[IceNeophyte]

2/3 to Philly?

Standby for one more piece to VGK in the next couple days

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Since when do we need any information about a topic to have a strong opinion on it?

You obviously haven't read the T&C of this site like everyone else has.

 

[Three On Zero]

Not really, the extension was just to maximize value.

Hanifin as a pure rental still had tons of value.

I wouldn’t say tons of value, he had too much control over his destination

 

[Canovin]

Flames trades all their NHL players and the league decides to regulate them to the AHL

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

That’s it? Does Mcrimmon have a silver tongue?

The limited signability of Hanifin likely lowered the return.

 

[Svencouver]

That was cheap

 

[ZachaFlockaFlame]

They still have room for Guentzel cap wise but not really any room compensation wise.

 

[Amadeus]

Wow, so underwhelming for Calgary.

 

[Avs44]

Calgary’s asset management over the past two years has been hilariously bad.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

Wow.

Kelly McCrimmon is truly the best in the business.