Confirmed Signing with Link: Vesey signs with the New York Rangers

[wafflepadsave]

Rangers are still trending south with a aging high cost D and goalie who has seen better days. But he made the rounds and the Rangers were the pick. Thought he had better options but we will see how he adjusts to NY and inflated expectations.

Jealous. All of the rumored teams were good destinations for vesey.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

So great that the fact that he keeps playing Tanner Glass is bypassed?

No coach is perfect. There is a bit worse the Rangers can do than AV.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Our defense and prospect pool?

I'm not one who thinks NYR is nearly as bad as everyone else thinks. They are a fine team and can probably turn it around before heading completely south. But, pound for pound, I think the Isles are better and deeper.

Better return the Delorean from 1984 before the professor notices

 

[darko]

IMO the only other team that made more sense than the Rangers is Toronto. His dad and brother are part of the organization and Leafs are a young team on the way up and could be really good in couple years.

 

[Christ]

Lol, the Rangers...did not see that one coming. There were plenty of insiders saying done deal to Boston or Chicago or Toronto or even Buffalo (personally found this destination a long shot simply due to how long they already had to sign him) but it was not often that the Rangers were mentioned as a serious destination for Vesey.

 

[Zal]

Bust.

 

[Riptide]

I actually think our biggest immediate problem is AV. He had such an unimaginably bad season. It was hard to process the obvious mistakes he kept on making. And instead of fixing those mistakes, he went even harder in on those bad decisions.

He put the entire roster in a huge position to fail. Best case scenario is we get off to a so so start this season and he gets canned. I want Travis Green to replace him.

I'd say Girardi over AV - however that could be mitigated if AV would play him significantly less. Otherwise just finding a way to get rid of him would vastly improve NYR's team and their playoff chances.

AV is one of the better coaches in the league and should have no problem finding a new home if he is fired. CBJ would be a great landing spot for him if NY was dumb enough to fire him.

Even good coaches have a shelf life.

So great that the fact that he keeps playing Tanner Glass is bypassed?

Exactly. He made a bunch of mistakes last season. Coaches that keep doing that eventually get fired. Unfortunately for the fans, it usually happens a lot later then they'd like.

 

[bigdog16]

So if the rangers win the cup on a Vesey game 7 OT goal, will HF officially disband?

 

[JT Kreider]

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No coach is perfect. There is a bit worse the Rangers can do than AV.

2013-15 AV. Yeah sure.

2016 AV. No way. You don't understand how bad it was.

 

[MardyBum]

I think you're slightly overstating the future of the Rangers.

From that list there isn't a single player that projects as a truly elite player in the league. Sure, maybe Buchnevich or someone can far exceed expectations, but banking on it to happen doesn't seem realistic. Teams don't win cups without an elite C or a dominant D core. They don't have a dominant D-core. They might, again, if Skjei and Mcillrath exceed expectations.

Their best prospect outside Buch and Skjei is. . . Adam Tambellini?

best prospect after skiej is probably kovacs or gropp besides the goalies. it's not like the rangers have busted drafting Mcilrath krieder miller lundqvist staal stepan fast and hrivk have all graduated from prospect status and are making an impact in the NHL. zucarello girardi hayes and now vesey were all signed for free without giving up assets. they don't get top 5 picks because the never finish near last and the one superstar they could have had, the siberian express who was putting up ovechkin/bure type stats in the KHL freaking dies. It sucks double because that is also the reason it made them leary of picking tarashenko. but you play the hand your dealt. they are drafting fine. as far as finding a superstar, they need to find a late pick who flys under the radar ala Lundqvist, UFA, or a big trade. but to say that they can't draft or have no future is just dead wrong, a majority of the team is 26 and under and the positions they are old at have replacements in the wings. as for the defense, i believe shattenkirk will be a ranger this off season. believe me, gorton knows what he is doing. he has done a good job so far. in jeff we trust. all while playing competitive hockey

I never said they can't draft, or have no future. I said outside their immediate future of playoff team no one truly knows what they will become, they could still be a top team or could be bottom 10.

I also stated they don"t have any prospects that you could project to be elite NHLers. Are Kovacs or Gropp elite prospects? Top 50? Top 100? Buch is the best but I think most people would project quality top 6 forward as his realistic ceiling. I havent ripped on their drafting, they havent had the first round picks to draft the better prospects, and the ones outside the first that were looking to be really good ones were traded to compete for a cup.

I just don't see this "unbelievable" future of the Rangers. They could have a good future, but so could every team in the NHL.

 

[darko]

Lol, the Rangers...did not see that one coming. There were plenty of insiders saying done deal to Boston or Chicago or Toronto or even Buffalo (personally found this destination a long shot simply due to how long they already had to sign him) but it was not often that the Rangers were mentioned as a serious destination for Vesey.

Rangers don't leak much.

Apparently Brass for Ziba trade was discussed weeks before going through and it caught everyone by surprise. Rangers are notorious for not leaking information.

 

[JT Kreider]

Lol, the Rangers...did not see that one coming. There were plenty of insiders saying done deal to Boston or Chicago or Toronto or even Buffalo (personally found this destination a long shot simply due to how long they already had to sign him) but it was not often that the Rangers were mentioned as a serious destination for Vesey.

I guess you didn't pay attention at all today. CHI and NYR were announced as the finalists. With the Rangers being the logical choice due to proximity to Boston.

 

[BleedinBLUEsince92]

Let's not kid ourselves: the Rangers live or die pretty much solely on Lundqvist performance. Maybe you have been used to his level of goal tending for too long and it seems normal what he has been doing throughout his career, but it really isn't. I think only the Montreal Canadiens are a team that relies more on their goaltender than the NYR. If I was in your shoes, I would dread the day Lundqvist is gone or declines like peasants in medieval Europe feared the plague.

I honestly don't think you could be more wrong. Last season when the D was less than stellar it's a large part of why everyone here is saying we are on a decline and why we went out in the 1st round. The 2 years before that where we went to the Cup and game 7 of ECF against Tampa we where not living and dying off Lundqvist performance. Our D was top 5 those years. Lundqvist was even injured for a good chunk of the regular season one of those 2 years and we still won the presidents trophy.

 

[13th Floor]

Better return the Delorean from 1984 before the professor notices

I guess that's an argument. Are you saying the Rangers have a better defense and prospect pool than the Isles do?

I think the forwards are relatively equal heading into the season, but the Isles have more potential with more blue chip forward prospects.

 

[GaryU]

Said goalie is also the best goalie of this generation.

Was the best goalie....Not so much lately.

 

[Irishguy42]

Ooooh Lala Sasson

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014/7/29/5948309/new-york-rangers-commercial-sasson-jeans-ooh-la-la

Legendary

 

[ThirdManIn]

Sweet. Not the Hawks or the Leafs. I still hope he crashes and burns, but if he doesn't I will care less.

 

[darko]

I never said they can't draft, or have no future. I said outside their immediate future of playoff team no one truly knows what they will become, they could still be a top team or could be bottom 10.

I also stated they don"t have any prospects that project to be surefire elite NHLers. Are Kovacs or Gropp elite prospects? Top 50? Top 100? I havent ripped on their drafting, they havent had the first round picks to draft the better prospects, and the ones outside the first that were looking to be really good ones were traded to compete for a cup.

I just don't see this "unbelievable" future of the Rangers.

It's not unbelievable but they do have a bright future. Rangers window is closed but it may open as soon as 2018 season. They are doing a quick re-tool. Rangers can't rebuild - hard to rebuild when good chunk of your roster is 21-26 years old.

 

[Toews2Bickell]

Sweet. Not the Hawks or the Leafs. I still hope he crashes and burns, but if he doesn't I will care less.

At least Hawks fans can sympathize with Preds fans. They lost Hayes to the same loophole then lost Vesey because Hayes played for a different team because of said loophole.

 

[BHD]

We had two bad games.

Game 1 Lundqvist only played 19 minutes so that doesn't count towards anything judge worthy.

We won Game 2, lost Game 3 by one goal excluding the ENG but got rocked in 4 and 5.

So two bad games determines the entire course of a franchise. Good to know.

No, an average roster does.

 

[Cassano]

Was the best goalie....Not so much lately.

Save % .92 or better for the past 8 years. He is the epitome of consistency.

 

[JT Kreider]

I never said they can't draft, or have no future. I said outside their immediate future of playoff team no one truly knows what they will become, they could still be a top team or could be bottom 10.

I also stated they don"t have any prospects that project to be surefire elite NHLers. Are Kovacs or Gropp elite prospects? Top 50? Top 100? I havent ripped on their drafting, they havent had the first round picks to draft the better prospects, and the ones outside the first that were looking to be really good ones were traded to compete for a cup.

I just don't see this "unbelievable" future of the Rangers.

Unbelievable future. I don't think anyone has said that. But of course we could be due for a decline after this pretty impressive run we've had since 2012. Really 2006. Making the playoffs all but one season? That's pretty insane. And even that one season we missed we were eliminated on the final game of the season in a shootout.

The Rangers always make do. Signing Zuccarello, Hayes and now Vesey help makes up for all the picks we traded away. And if you look at all the 1sts we traded, no players drafted in our vicinity have had any real sort of impact in the NHL yet. Burakovsky is it but he rode Kuzy's coattails hard this season and was useless when seperated.

And we drafted pretty well pre-2012. From 2009-12 we hit on all of our 1st round picks. Not many teams can say that.

McDonagh and Brassard (and now Zibanejad) were acquired from free assets (Gomez and Gaborik).

We also draft very well outside the first round.

Callahan, Dubinsky, Stepan, Duclair, Buch, etc.

So again just consider this. We basically got McDonagh, Zibanejad, Vesey, Hayes and Zuccarello for "free". That's pretty damn impressive, no?

We'll be fine.

 

[buttman*]

Said goalie is also the best goalie of this generation.

No. He's not the best goalie right now and hasn't been the best goalie the last ten years. He's good but there is nothinng there that makes him the "best".

 

[BruinLVGA]

We played probably the best stretch of hockey we've had since 94 with Talbot in net in 2015.

Said goalie is also the best goalie of this generation.

Nope, apparently Talbot is, according to the above NYR fan.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

too much hooplah over a guy who hasn't accomplished anything