Post-Game Talk: #VegasStronger - Golden Knights 3, Jets 2 (OT)

[JetsFan815]

@Ippenator said "GDT", not "PGT" (where you mostly continued on the same theme as well).

I'm here to help. Just ask if you need more help.

And my point is that I criticized Wheeler as well, Ippenator said I "didn't say anything bad about Wheeler and am just focusing on Laine" which according to the post I linked is untrue. Or do people need to mention every other player having a bad game in the same post when commenting on Laine's bad game? Ippenator has made it clear in multiple threads that he believes that there is some kind of a conspiracy on this board to only criticize Laine and give other players like Wheeler and Buff a free pass (what these conspirators are trying to achieve by doing that remains a mystery ). Since it's being insinuated that I am part of those who go out of their way to criticize Laine but give a free pass to guys like Wheeler, I am pointing how that is completely untrue.

 

[FinJetster]

Joel Armia has been my favorite Jet for the past few years, so someone may find me biased.
So I try to let the numbers do the talking. More accurately the points per 60 minutes this season.

About Armia being "border-line 3rd liner"

To me that seems more like bordering the line between 3rd and 2nd.

What about his possibility to get 50 points a season?

Let's use the above number (2.22 P/60) and say he gets promoted to be able to play 18 minutes a game. That would mean .66 points per game which in 82 games makes 54.6 points. And that's just with the added minutes. That'll most probably increase if he'd play with more offensive role and linemates.

If someone finds a better stat to prove me wrong, you're welcome. This was the best I could come up with when talking about point production. That is, after all usually the way us fans "grade" the players. If we take into account Joel's other qualities, I think those also speak more for than against him.

 

[Maukkis]

Joel Armia has been my favorite Jet for the past few years, so someone may find me biased.
So I try to let the numbers do the talking. More accurately the points per 60 minutes this season.

About Armia being "border-line 3rd liner"
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To me that seems more like bordering the line between 3rd and 2nd.

What about his possibility to get 50 points a season?

Let's use the above number (2.22 P/60) and say he gets promoted to be able to play 18 minutes a game. That would mean .66 points per game which in 82 games makes 54.6 points. And that's just with the added minutes. That'll most probably increase if he'd play with more offensive role and linemates.

If someone finds a better stat to prove me wrong, you're welcome. This was the best I could come up with when talking about point production. That is, after all usually the way us fans "grade" the players. If we take into account Joel's other qualities, I think those also speak more for than against him.

Which one of Wheeler (1st) and Laine (4th) is he passing on the depth chart?

As for skillsets, Armia is in a really tough spot in Winnipeg. Neither Laine nor Ehlers play a game that is suited to a bottom six role in the slightest, which makes demoting either one practically impossible. As a winger, Wheeler is far superior to Armia (and every other winger, to be exact), hence why he won't be the one seeing his ice time cut in favour of 40. This means that Armia has little chance of climbing up the rankings without one of the aforementioned wingers going down with an injury.

 

[Trilliann]

Refs You Suck

 

[King Woodballs]

Should have had that game won in over time. How does neither one of those chances go in the net.
All you can do is just laugh.

One point is still better than zero points.

 

[AlphaLackey]

We had the lions share of chances in that 3 on 3 and we had ours first. Replay those chances in that order and we win more often than we lose. Holy f***ing small sample size concussion syndrome, Batman. Did our last 3 on 3 game, which we won, mean we are suddenly 3 on 3 wizards? No. So does this one mean we are worthless at 3 on 3? No.

We're all entitled to our opinions. Mine just happens to be backed by the multi-billion-dollar actuarial industry that involves putting one's money where one's mouth is.

Again: if you people REALLY REALLY think the Jets are gigantic underdogs in 3 on 3, you would be making huge bank betting against them, getting nearly even money odds on their opponent in 3 on 3 when said opponent is "obviously" a huge favorite.

And you're damn right I'll keep beating this drum, because listening to this tired claim that we're gigantic underdogs in 3 on 3 is a bit like listening to people claim "oh I really do have psychic powers, I just refuse to use them to win the lottery because it would be unethical".

Their go ahead goal was utter bullshit, we all know it. We got a bad break there.

We had the lion's share of better chances in 3 on 3. We got several bad breaks there.

So the team that still had over a 40% chance to win the game on the road, won; and we got a point out of it.

So what's all the f***ing screaming about?

Literally we go 7-0-0 at home, and the instant it's 7-0-1 there's 11 pages of teeth-gnashing?

I guess it's frustrating because I expected being a legitimate top team and being 3 points out of first overall at the 5/8 pole would be enough to put an end to this endless litany of woe and exaggerated bullshit and insane narratives.

Yet somehow it's only made things worse.

Carried the play, got some bad breaks, got a point. Hardly the Götterdämmerung it's being made out to be.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

We left with a point, was a good game overall.

 

[broinwhyteridge]

League wants Vegas to keep rolling. Only explanation (other than incompetence) for allowing that goal.

 

[King Woodballs]

Just reading through this thread......

Trade everyone and move the team!

Am I doing this right?

It was one game against the top team in the west. Jets got a point. Move onward and upward!

 

[MardyBum]

Pretty awful game execution wise, but we got a point (thank you Connor and Armia) so i'll take it.

We really need to move Wheeler back to the wing. If Lowry is okay I wouldn't be opposed to moving Lowry or Copp up with Wheeler. He has an occasional great game but overall he's been pretty bad as a C.

Regardless, when Scheif is back he needs to go back to the wing.

 

[ps241]

2 games with Lowry in the lineup and we've given up 1 even strength goal. To the two best teams in the NHL.

He DESPARATELY needs to be OK

Not sure if they showed it on tv but as he was skating off at one point he was really favouring his left shoulder and it was drooping noticeably. I mentioned to my buddy at the time that doesn’t look good.

 

[ps241]

Just got home and us stealing a point was the way I saw it as well. In past seasons we would not have had all these extra loser points to pad the total.

Yea it was just one of those games that had a bit a stink on it and I was pleasantly suprised we got the late goal. That being said when they rolled out the Connor Armia tandem late I said to the guys around me at the game “if a goal is going to happen it will have to be here because this is our only dangerous line and this will be their last shift”. Even a blind squirrel I guess

We had a couple of great cracks at it in OT but it was not to be. Vegas is a very tough team and they made us look bad at times. Still enjoyed the game though. We need the losses once in a while to appease allot of our posters who seem to thrive more in negative situations .

3 points out of 4 vs the top two teams in the league is ok......turn the page and keep the train rolling.

 

[AlphaLackey]

3 points out of 4 vs the top two teams in the league is ok......turn the page and keep the train rolling.

You'd think that would be the takeaway here, right? We're the #3 team in the league and get 3 of 4 points against the #1 and #2 team respectively. We now have 8 more at home including a couple softies. And this without 2 top-4 D men and our elite #1 center too!

Everything is unrolling so much better than even my wildest dreams for this season. Like were the Jets supposed to be 999-0-0 by Feb 1? Maybe I just don't "get it".

 

[Narow]

Got home and just watched it on the PVR. It seems like Laine is always caught flat footed, especially in the defensive zone. That’s what I see time and time again. He receives the puck in our zone just to fumble it and the other team snatched it from him.

But it was the captain who cost us the game tonight. I understand people have off nights, but that’s on Mo to see it and adjust accordingly.

He did that standing still at the blue line thing didnt he? Said it a million times he needs to be in motion before he receives a pass otherwise it is basically 5v4 for the next few seconds.

 

[SensibleGuy]

Lol...did someone in this thread actually suggest we might not want to lock up a 19 year old who will likely have about 75 career goals under his belt belt by the end of the season to a long contract? Laine hasn’t looked great at times, but he has lots of time to work on his game and he’s already the team’s best goal scorer. Let’s not be insane mmmmkay?

Frustrating game. I’ve started to really hate Vegas. Glad we got a point. Was there any word on Lowry?

 

[grieves]

Oh man frustrating game. I thought overall the Jets were better however. We should have been up 3-2 or 3-1 at the end of regulation. I don't think we stole a point at all.

Fleury is really good on the PK. He has the cojones to challenge the shooters beautifully.

First line had a really strong first period. That shift with 2min of constant pressure with a Laine bomb from the slot transitioning to a smooth line change was really cool. Then it looked like they completely lost respect for the opponent or something. Maurice should have slammed Wheeler's and Laine's heads together after that shorty. Really bad two periods from Wheels and Laine, but in the grand scheme of things we have to remember that players have off-games.

Vegas is so tenacious as a team. You can just see that they don't let up, at all.

This has to be the funniest PGT I've ever read. Oh man a good laugh feels good.

Oh, and Buff is electin to take low-% shots again on the PP when the other option is a Laine one-timer. When you are down a goal that kind of stuff is not needed. I wish the coaching staff would fix that.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

Just reading through this thread......

Trade everyone and move the team!

Am I doing this right?

It was one game against the top team in the west. Jets got a point. Move onward and upward!

Close. Add shooting Maurice out of a cannon and pistol whipping the rest of the coaches.

 

[HannuJ]

Pretty awful game execution wise, but we got a point (thank you Connor and Armia) so i'll take it.

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i'm curious...and be honest.
did you and i watch the same game?
i had to go to hockey so i missed the 3rd, but the Jets dominated the first and outplayed them in the 2nd, but were still trailing due to a few costly flubs.
Vegas played a great game stickwise. i didn't see the awful execution you describe.

 

[broinwhyteridge]

Oh, and Buff is electin to take low-% shots again on the PP when the other option is a Laine one-timer. When you are down a goal that kind of stuff is not needed. I wish the coaching staff would fix that.

It's going to be difficult when the cement is already poured and dried between his ears.

 

[Jerts]

I thought it was a pretty even game. Vegas capitalized on some chances. We could have capitalized on some more.

I think it's pretty telling that we outplay the top two teams in the league and can be critical.

 

[Peggy]

bad play whatever

refs calling it a goal after helley took a stick to the face is the worst part of the game

 

[MardyBum]

i'm curious...and be honest.
did you and i watch the same game?
i had to go to hockey so i missed the 3rd, but the Jets dominated the first and outplayed them in the 2nd, but were still trailing due to a few costly flubs.
Vegas played a great game stickwise. i didn't see the awful execution you describe.

Execution wise. Bad passes, sloppy play in our dzone, difficulty connecting a pass, disjointed rushes. It was like every jets player was thinking slightly different things than the other.

You say "flubs" and then question me when i say we had a bad night executing our game

It went to OT because of poor execution.

 

[suihkukone]

Which one of Wheeler (1st) and Laine (4th) is he passing on the depth chart?

As for skillsets, Armia is in a really tough spot in Winnipeg. Neither Laine nor Ehlers play a game that is suited to a bottom six role in the slightest, which makes demoting either one practically impossible. As a winger, Wheeler is far superior to Armia (and every other winger, to be exact), hence why he won't be the one seeing his ice time cut in favour of 40. This means that Armia has little chance of climbing up the rankings without one of the aforementioned wingers going down with an injury.

On general level I agree of this, though I think you overestimate the perceived gap between top and bottom six skill level. But yes, passing Laine and Wheeler is impossible for anyone on the team.
The "trouble" with Armia is that he's just too good at the bottom six role. You may lol at this but considering TOI and where he's played, Armia is one of our to scorers. There are now 257 players with more than 20 points and Armia is last on this list in TOI. That's cherry picking stats, but still..
It's not the question of whether he's top six material, cause I think he is, but in the bigger picture putting Armia (and let's not forget Copp) in top lines gives less gain in performance than e.g. Connor or Roslo, who just a few weeks ago didn't even make the team. So it's not always who's the best for the job, but what benefits the team most.
Well at least some of the talent is trickling down to bottom lines so he gets to work with those top liners anyhows.
I'm very happy with our roster even with Sceif and Lowry out.

Edit: That's TOI/GP, not total TOI

 

[AlphaLackey]

I thought it was a pretty even game. Vegas capitalized on some chances. We could have capitalized on some more.

I think it's pretty telling that we outplay the top two teams in the league and can be critical.

Some people could win the Powerball and their first words would be "it's about time."

 

[PhilJets]

A teenager is leading this team in goals last 2 years.
3rd in points.

He even have more goals than matthew perrault 4 years here.

We got 3 out of 4 points against the 2 best team in the league.
Without our 1c and arguably 1D

All other teams will play wheelers line hard.
It will not happen with our 4th line.

The difference now before is
Our 4th line can actually score goals unlike gst etc.

I love my Armia, Tanev copp hendricks etc...

But other teams dont draw up their game plan to stop them.
Its up to them to score goals here and there.

There is a reason why wheeler laine and scheifele are your 3 best point producers. If you dont put team out when the games is on the line. Then something is wrong there.

Ofcourse they will not go there way all the time.
Otherwise Jets will never lose... lol

Come on
Crapping on Laine trying to nitpick his game, im worried about these people.
They will be doing this for a loooooongggggg time. He'll be a Jets for at least 8 more years...
So you are warn embrace his goal scoring prowess or get frustrated.


GO jEts go