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ottomaddox said:
We want bumper news. Everyone wants a bumper. He's a bumper, I'm a bumper, you're a bumper, she's a bumper...wouldn't ya like to be a bumper too...
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What's this the Leafs are trying something different? Pa...say it ain't so... I'm skeeeeerd of change ....
 
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LEAFANFORLIFE23 said:
No Stone, No Patches, no Tuch, possibly no Nolan Patrick, possibly no Jarnmark, and no WhiteCloud Vegas is severely weakened this is an opportunity to jump on them, hopefully they can do it.
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The season has certainly been kind to us so far.
 
SprDaVE said:
1-3-1 is standard across the entire NHL. It's really not the issue.

I think the bigger crime is not putting Spezza on the top one. You could also argue that Sandin should be swapped with Rielly.

My take:

Tavares
Matthews - Nylander - Spezza
Rielly

Ritchie
Engvall - Bunting - Marner
Sandin

Spezza is a big shooting threat and he's a fantastic puck handler. You can put him in the bumper spot too. I think Rielly has been far too hesitant in shooting or using lanes properly on the PP1. He's relying on distributing to Matthews or Marner far too often but without Marner, I think Rielly can dish to Spezza who can actually be a scoring one-timer threat instead of passing it to Marner where everyone knows what he's going to do (curl, carry, wrister blocked -- out)

Marner has struggled immensely on the PP but maybe giving him less minutes on it and a different set of players to play with might kind of jar something loose. Let him be the primary forward on it. It would be similar to when Nylander was on the 2nd PP to let him handle that unit and it kinda worked.

Could swap Sandin and Rielly but I'd rather give Sandin the horns of the PP2 with Marner since it would miss a bit of a shooting threat.
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Spezza's slapshot pass to bunting for his goal was just nasty
 
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BrannigansLaw said:
This week will be a real test of whether we can hang with some good, hardworking teams. Beating Chicago and Detroit was absolutely expected.
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It would be a good time for Matthews, Marner and even Nylander to break out of their slumps and start a hot streak or something.
 
SprDaVE said:
1-3-1 is standard across the entire NHL. It's really not the issue.

I think the bigger crime is not putting Spezza on the top one. You could also argue that Sandin should be swapped with Rielly.

My take:

Tavares
Matthews - Nylander - Spezza
Rielly

Ritchie
Engvall - Bunting - Marner
Sandin

Spezza is a big shooting threat and he's a fantastic puck handler. You can put him in the bumper spot too. I think Rielly has been far too hesitant in shooting or using lanes properly on the PP1. He's relying on distributing to Matthews or Marner far too often but without Marner, I think Rielly can dish to Spezza who can actually be a scoring one-timer threat instead of passing it to Marner where everyone knows what he's going to do (curl, carry, wrister blocked -- out)

Marner has struggled immensely on the PP but maybe giving him less minutes on it and a different set of players to play with might kind of jar something loose. Let him be the primary forward on it. It would be similar to when Nylander was on the 2nd PP to let him handle that unit and it kinda worked.

Could swap Sandin and Rielly but I'd rather give Sandin the horns of the PP2 with Marner since it would miss a bit of a shooting threat.
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The issue with PP1 isn't Marner, it's Rielly. Your best bet for a strong PP with Marner is to put shooters in every other position and challenge the opposition to prevent him from finding anybody for a full minute. I think it's why Sandin was better there in limited opportunities last year.
 
Lightsol said:
The issue with PP1 isn't Marner, it's Rielly. Your best bet for a strong PP with Marner is to put shooters in every other position and challenge the opposition to prevent him from finding anybody for a full minute. I think it's why Sandin was better there in limited opportunities last year.
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That's probably fair. Sandin does have a heck of an underrated shot.

But that's why I have Spezza there instead of Marner. He can wire it from the half-wall. Between him and Matthews, I don't think you're missing a shot on PP1. Sandin with Marner on PP2 gives you a different unit.
 
SprDaVE said:
1-3-1 is standard across the entire NHL. It's really not the issue.

I think the bigger crime is not putting Spezza on the top one. You could also argue that Sandin should be swapped with Rielly.

My take:

Tavares
Matthews - Nylander - Spezza
Rielly

Ritchie
Engvall - Bunting - Marner
Sandin

Spezza is a big shooting threat and he's a fantastic puck handler. You can put him in the bumper spot too. I think Rielly has been far too hesitant in shooting or using lanes properly on the PP1. He's relying on distributing to Matthews or Marner far too often but without Marner, I think Rielly can dish to Spezza who can actually be a scoring one-timer threat instead of passing it to Marner where everyone knows what he's going to do (curl, carry, wrister blocked -- out)

Marner has struggled immensely on the PP but maybe giving him less minutes on it and a different set of players to play with might kind of jar something loose. Let him be the primary forward on it. It would be similar to when Nylander was on the 2nd PP to let him handle that unit and it kinda worked.

Could swap Sandin and Rielly but I'd rather give Sandin the horns of the PP2 with Marner since it would miss a bit of a shooting threat.
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Just because it is the standard, doesn't mean we have to use it.

Marner simply doesn't work on a 1-3-1. He doesn't have the shot, no matter if you put him in the bumper or on the right wall. The only place he may work is in Rielly's spot, but then you have to either take a defenseman off of the PP, because neither are going to work along the wall nor in the bumper spot themselves.

Alternatively, if you use a 2-2-1, like the Marlies have used many times (including with pure playmakers like Bracco), or a 3-1-1, like the Swedes used at the U20's when Sandin was on the team, then you can have a guy like Marner act as a playmaker along the wall and still have many of the benefits of the 1-3-1 and 2-2-1, but I think you need a strong RH one-timer on the other end of the ice (Spezza or Nylander), a big body out front (Ritchie), and a really strong bumper (Tavares). I think you also want Sandin's one-timer as well up top, since you are running things from the boards instead of purely on the blueline.

Bunting
Matthews-Engvall-Spezza
Rielly

Ritchie
Tavares
Nylander-Sandin-Marner

Ideally, I think it would have been better to swap Tavares and Engvall so you can have Tavares there for tips on the Rielly unit, but Engvall will need to learn that tips (both from the wings, especially Spezza, and from Rielly) and rebounds are going to be how he scores a lot of his goals, and that he will get a ton of excellent slot chances to bury goals.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
Marner simply doesn't work on a 1-3-1. He doesn't have the shot, no matter if you put him in the bumper or on the right wall. The only place he may work is in Rielly's spot, but then you have to either take a defenseman off of the PP, because neither are going to work along the wall nor in the bumper spot themselves.
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Are you aware that the best PP unit we've had in the big 3 era has been a unit with Marner running it off the right wall?
 
Welsh Maple Leaf said:
Matthews can shoot, or do you mean from the blue line
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From the blue line. A dman who can shot like Weber did, Hard, accurate, smart, not like Subban who was just dumb and strong. Like Drew Doughty or Raymond Bourque.
Now you are building a contender.
 
zeke said:


this is turning into a must win with all their injuries.
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So basically VGK has:

  • Stone
  • Patches
  • Karlsson
  • Tuch
  • Nolan Patrick
  • Janmark
all out due to injuries and VGK hasn't pulled off the Eichel trade yet

If we don't show up to play and take the 2 points I am gonna be seriously pissed or may be i will just LMAO

not sure yet LOL :laugh:
 
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PromisedLand said:
So basically VGK has:

  • Stone
  • Patches
  • Karlsson
  • Tuch
  • Nolan Patrick
  • Janmark
all out due to injuries and VGK hasn't pulled off the Eichel trade yet

If we don't show up to play and take the 2 points I am gonna be seriously pissed or may be i will just LMAO

not sure yet LOL :laugh:
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even if they make the trade, they will lose more roster players…
 
PromisedLand said:
WTF? Leafs not playing tonight? I thought they were....
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I'm so sorry milord, you have looked in a hazy, wrong way this time sire. Tomorrow'
s the night we get in some dirt. Imagine how much we gon pummel those fools down, without ALL OF THEIR BEST PLAYERS!!! :clap: Now lets enjoy the intermission time at the moment. Just like all those old movies had you know. The intermission and overture. And all that music was flowing... mayne those is some good times. Just watched the space odyssey 2001 with the wife sire.
 
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