Vegas Golden Knights defeat Edmonton Oilers 4-2 - Advance to WCF

[Garbageyuk]

Sure you can find plenty of stuff I've been wrong about. I don't talk about those subjects with such conviction after the fact.

You don't like the Oilers. You don't want them to succeed, and your opinion is colored with that bias.

Because it’s so damn obvious. You’ve been a fan of this sport for a long time. Show me a team that has ever won the Cup with both goaltending and defense as bad as the Oilers. They’ve enjoyed historic scoring performances from McDavid and Draisaitl the last couple post seasons and it wasn’t enough. They didn’t even come close. That’s unlikely to change going forward, given their situation. This isn’t a team on upswing. All their marquee players are veterans on the back 9 of their primes. Yeah I’m going to bet against it spontaneously working out. That isn’t bias at all. It’s being realistic.

 

[Frank Drebin]

Because it’s so damn obvious. You’ve been a fan of this sport for a long time. Show me a team that has ever won the Cup with both goaltending and defense as bad as the Oilers. They’ve enjoyed historic scoring performances from McDavid and Draisaitl the last couple post seasons and it wasn’t enough. They didn’t even come close. That’s unlikely to change going forward, given their situation. This isn’t a team on upswing. All their marquee players are veterans on the back 9 of their primes. Yeah I’m going to bet against it spontaneously working out. That isn’t bias at all. It’s being realistic.

It actually was close this year. Despite their 5on5 woes Edmonton was an average goaltending performance away from beating Vegas in 6. 3 weak goals against in both games sunk their chances and their spirits. They could have won on the back of their pp like Florida is riding their goalie.

But if Skinner and Campbell keep playing like Skinner and Campbell they don't stand a chance.

Oilers window is in 24 and 25, but the coach blew their best chance this year by sticking with an overworked, outmatched rookie goalie

 

[BurnabyJoe7]

So, you're saying advanced stats are for fans of teams that lose and want to be able to say, "They should have won".

Got it.

Scoreboard; that's all that matters. Ever.

That's not at all what I'm saying. Advanced stats would indicate they weren't outplayed at 5 on 5 and I clearly said that doesn't mean they deserved to win. If that's what you deduced from what I said earlier it would be unfair to expect a purposeful discussion on advanced stats with you so let's leave it at that.

Well at least McDavid and Draisaitl can hang a "Beat the Calgary Flames that one time" banner on their way out of Edmonton. That's not nothing.

That's a nice way of downplaying a gentleman's sweep that resulted in the flames losing their two best players that year. You could argue they lost their 3 best players after that series since markstrom hasn't looked like an NHL goalie since.

 

[Garbageyuk]

It actually was close this year. Despite their 5on5 woes Edmonton was an average goaltending performance away from beating Vegas in 6. 3 weak goals against in both games sunk their chances and their spirits. They could have won on the back of their pp like Florida is riding their goalie.

But if Skinner and Campbell keep playing like Skinner and Campbell they don't stand a chance.

Oilers window is in 24 and 25, but the coach blew their best chance this year by sticking with an overworked, outmatched rookie goalie

Losing in the 2nd round is close to winning the Cup now? News to me. Besides, you could say things were close and play the whole could’ve/would’ve/should’ve game about plenty of teams that lose, every year. Hockey is a game of inches; the games are often close. That doesn’t mean the Oilers were close to winning it all because they weren’t. That’s an objective fact you can’t argue with, and if you do, there’s the bias you were trying to accuse me of.

 

[Leonardo87]

Neutral fans have a right to talk about any team in the league fam.

Of course they do. The problem is neutral fans come in to crap on a team or the fans after they lost, even when they had no interest in the series. Their intent is to troll and get a rise out of other fans. The results are pages upon pages of off-topic flaming, personal attacks, and trolling going on in the thread and it becomes derailed.

If people can have a civil discussion while bringing up other teams as counter points and debate then there really is no issue. You want to discuss why they lost, and compare them to other teams around the league, have at it.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Well at least McDavid and Draisaitl can hang a "Beat the Calgary Flames that one time" banner on their way out of Edmonton. That's not nothing.

also completely destroying the franchise to the point where the Flames 2 best players bailed, the GM bailed and the coach was fired
tough year

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Losing in the 2nd round is close to winning the Cup now? News to me. Besides, you could say things were close and play the whole could’ve/would’ve/should’ve game about plenty of teams that lose, every year. Hockey is a game of inches; the games are often close. That doesn’t mean the Oilers were close to winning it all because they weren’t. That’s an objective fact you can’t argue with, and if you do, there’s the bias you were trying to accuse me of.

Avs lost in the 2nd round three straight years before breaking through...they were "close" every year IMO

Oilers lost to the Cup champs in the Conference final last year and its looking like they lost to the Conference champs (maybe Cup champs) this year
they are close

 

[Bounces R Way]

That's a nice way of downplaying a gentleman's sweep that resulted in the flames losing their two best players that year. You could argue they lost their 3 best players after that series since markstrom hasn't looked like an NHL goalie since.

also completely destroying the franchise to the point where the Flames 2 best players bailed, the GM bailed and the coach was fired
tough year

Really adorable Oiler fans actually think they had anything to do with Gaudreau leaving because his wife wanted their baby to grow up in the States and Tkachuk wanting to wear flip flops to work. Delusion right up there with Darnell Nurse is a #1D and Stuart Skinner is definitely a goalie to win the cup with.

Let me guess, the Oilers 2nd round series win over the Flames also caused the fall of the Berlin wall and was the primary catalyst for man landing on the moon.

 

[Garbageyuk]

Avs lost in the 2nd round three straight years before breaking through...they were "close" every year IMO

Oilers lost to the Cup champs in the Conference final last year and its looking like they lost to the Conference champs (maybe Cup champs) this year
they are close

Avs’ D and goaltending last year were vastly superior to what the Oilers have, and will have.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Avs’ D and goaltending last year were vastly superior to what the Oilers have, and will have.

Oilers defense was 6th in the league after the acquisition of Ekholm

 

[Garbageyuk]

Oilers defense was 6th in the league after the acquisition of Ekholm

That sure helped them in the playoffs. If you think the Oilers D group is anywhere near the Avs’ from last year, there’s no point in even having a conversation.

They have Ekholm, a solid 2nd pairing guy, and Nurse, who ideally should be more like a #4 on contending teams. Then they have a bunch of scrubs. Bouchard can get in on some points due to McDavid and Draisaitl, but he’s worse than bottom pairing level defensively. That’s just not gonna cut it.

 

[Zerotonine]

Oilers defense was 6th in the league after the acquisition of Ekholm

Sad part is Skinner was that bad during the playoffs. Like ECHL type bad. They lost game 5 in litterally a span of 1m30. They also were the better team in game 6 which they lost due to Skinners worst performance of the year. The sad part is how good Campbell looked in his reliefs stints and he didn't even get 1 start. Makes you wonder ....

And I hated Campbell all season
But look at what bobrosky is doing in Florida after a horrible year as well. He came in relief vs Boston amd well the rest will be history....

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

That sure helped them in the playoffs. If you think the Oilers D group is anywhere near the Avs’ from last year, there’s no point in even having a conversation.

They have Ekholm, a solid 2nd pairing guy, and Nurse, who ideally should be more like a #4 on contending teams. Then they have a bunch of scrubs. Bouchard can get in on some points due to McDavid and Draisaitl, but he’s worse than bottom pairing level defensively. That’s just not gonna cut it.

I didn't say that, but the fact remains the acquisition of Ekholm vastly improved the defense...it's just a fact

btw, where are the Bruins now with that "elite" goaltending and defense right now?

and Vegas finished 11th in GA and Florida 21st GA...

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

They have Ekholm, a solid 2nd pairing guy, and Nurse, who ideally should be more like a #4 on contending teams. Then they have a bunch of scrubs. Bouchard can get in on some points due to McDavid and Draisaitl, but he’s worse than bottom pairing level defensively. That’s just not gonna cut it.

Oilers managed to finish 6th in Goals against despite only having a couple of 2nd pairing d-men and a worse than bottom pairing defenseman in Bouchard
Legendary team D!

You’re absolutely clueless

 

[Garbageyuk]

I didn't say that, but the fact remains the acquisition of Ekholm vastly improved the defense...it's just a fact

btw, where are the Bruins now with that "elite" goaltending and defense right now?

and Vegas finished 11th in GA and Florida 21st GA...

Improved it so much that they made a 2nd round exit.

And how is your point about the Bruins even a retort, or relevant, for that matter?

“YeAh bUt tHiS oTHeR tEam aLsO LOsT!”

Ok. Just look at the 4 remaining teams. All of them vastly superior goaltending and D groups compared to the Oilers.

How are Oilers going to get a guy like Pietrangelo, Theodore, Heiskanen, Montour or Ekblad? The Oilers don’t have a single D on that level. The Hurricanes have 4 defenseman as good or better than the Oilers best D (Ekholm).

That’s not even getting into the goaltending issue, where the Oilers’ goalies are putting up numbers that wouldn’t cut it in the 80s.

With the combination of the train wrecks that are the Oilers G and D situations, and no realistic way to fix it, the Oilers are going nowhere in the playoffs any time soon.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Improved it so much that they made a 2nd round exit.

it was better after Ekholm was acquired...I'm sorry you don't like facts

And how is your point about the Bruins even a retort, or relevant, for that matter?

“YeAh bUt tHiS oTHeR tEam aLsO LOsT!”

because elite defense gets beat all the time in the playoffs

Ok. Just look at the 4 remaining teams. All of them vastly superior goaltending and D groups compared to the Oilers.

How are Oilers going to get a guy like Pietrangelo, Theodore, Heiskanen, Montour or Ekblad? The Oilers don’t have a single D on that level. The Hurricanes have 4 defenseman as good or better than the Oilers best D (Ekholm).

Montour and Ekblad LMAO
Nurse had a better +/- than both, better ES goal differential than both, play more ES minutes and TOI, had way more ES point than Ekblad and only 1 less ES point than "career season at 29" Brandon Montour

you really are clueless

That’s not even getting into the goaltending issue, where the Oilers’ goalies are putting up numbers that wouldn’t cut it in the 80s.

You talking about the regular season? cause Skinner is up for the Calder and finished 10th in the league in Save% among regulars
or are you talking about the playoffs? cause yep, he's was as bad as the "vastly superior" goaltender Jake Oetinger...

With the combination of the train wrecks that are the Oilers G and D situations, and no realistic way to fix it, the Oilers are going nowhere in the playoffs any time soon.

"thEy wIlL nEvEr gO aNywhERE iN thE PlayofFs cAusE I sAID so!1!" isn't an argument....quit while you're behind

 

[Garbageyuk]

Oilers managed to finish 6th in Goals against despite only having a couple of 2nd pairing d-men and a worse than bottom pairing defenseman in Bouchard
Legendary team D!

You’re absolutely clueless

I’m clueless?! Lmao. You go ahead and keep believing they are going to win anything with AHL level D outside of like two guys and ECHL goaltending. Are Broberg and Bouchard gonna turn into Hedman and Karlsson over the summer? That “6th overall in goals against” (regular season) is really something though. They should put up a banner!

 

[Pablo El Perro]

it was better after Ekholm was acquired...I'm sorry you don't like facts


because elite defense gets beat all the time in the playoffs


Montour and Ekblad LMAO
Nurse had a better +/- than both, better ES goal differential than both, play more ES minutes and TOI, had way more ES point than Ekblad and only 1 less ES point than "career season at 29" Brandon Montour

you really are clueless


You talking about the regular season? cause Skinner is up for the Calder and finished 10th in the league in Save% among regulars
or are you talking about the playoffs? cause yep, he's was as bad as the "vastly superior" goaltender Jake Oetinger...

"thEy wIlL nEvEr gO aNywhERE iN thE PlayofFs cAusE I sAID so!1!" isn't an argument....quit while you're behind

Regarding laughing your ass off, Nurse played a few more games than one of the players you are comparing him with.

 

[Garbageyuk]

it was better after Ekholm was acquired...I'm sorry you don't like facts


because elite defense gets beat all the time in the playoffs


Montour and Ekblad LMAO
Nurse had a better +/- than both, better ES goal differential than both, play more ES minutes and TOI, had way more ES point than Ekblad and only 1 less ES point than "career season at 29" Brandon Montour

you really are clueless


You talking about the regular season? cause Skinner is up for the Calder and finished 10th in the league in Save% among regulars
or are you talking about the playoffs? cause yep, he's was as bad as the "vastly superior" goaltender Jake Oetinger...

"thEy wIlL nEvEr gO aNywhERE iN thE PlayofFs cAusE I sAID so!1!" isn't an argument....quit while you're behind

No I’m talking about the playoffs, which is what matters, and about how “they improved their D” so much that they did even worse in the playoffs than last year. It’s called reality; you should join us over here.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

I’m clueless?! Lmao. You go ahead and keep believing they are going to win anything with AHL level D outside of like two guys and ECHL goaltending. Are Broberg and Bouchard gonna turn into Hedman and Karlsson over the summer? That “6th overall in goals against” (regular season) is really something though. They should put up a banner!

again, you still haven't explained how an "AHL level D" with Ekholm and "ECHL goaltending" managed to go to 6th overall in GA in the final quarter of the season...I'd love to hear it

 

[Garbageyuk]

it was better after Ekholm was acquired...I'm sorry you don't like facts


because elite defense gets beat all the time in the playoffs


Montour and Ekblad LMAO
Nurse had a better +/- than both, better ES goal differential than both, play more ES minutes and TOI, had way more ES point than Ekblad and only 1 less ES point than "career season at 29" Brandon Montour

you really are clueless


You talking about the regular season? cause Skinner is up for the Calder and finished 10th in the league in Save% among regulars
or are you talking about the playoffs? cause yep, he's was as bad as the "vastly superior" goaltender Jake Oetinger...

"thEy wIlL nEvEr gO aNywhERE iN thE PlayofFs cAusE I sAID so!1!" isn't an argument....quit while you're behind

All that and the Oilers are golfing right now lmao while all the players you’re attempting to shit on are still playing. Oilers have better offense and forwards than all those teams - I wonder what the difference could possibly be? Unbelievable

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

No I’m talking about the playoffs, which is what matters, and about how “they improved their D” so much that they did even worse in the playoffs than last year. It’s called reality; you should join us over here.

if playoffs is the only thing what matters.....then a team like the Avs defense got worse, since the Oilers D made it further than the Avs

 

[Garbageyuk]

again, you still haven't explained how an "AHL level D" with Ekholm and "ECHL goaltending" managed to go to 6th overall in GA in the final quarter of the season...I'd love to hear it

Impressive. Where did it get them? Where are they now? Are they playing any time soon?

if playoffs is the only thing what matters.....then a team like the Avs defense got worse, since the Oilers D made it further than the Avs

Won the Cup last year lmao. Are you serious with this stuff?

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Impressive. Where did it get them? Where are they now? Are they playing any time soon?

just admit you can't explain it...take the L

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Won the Cup last year lmao. Are you serious with this stuff?

oh ok, now the goalposts have moved LMAO

"last year's playoffs matter too!"

what about the Bruins then? they've been bounced in the 1st round the past 2 seasons despite "elite D and goaltending" while the Oilers have won 3 rounds

if playoffs are the only thing that matter like you said, then the Oilers defense must be better than the Bruins